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D0RK-KNIGHT
01-27-2012, 09:22 AM
Greetings, all. I'm new to the forum, and I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I did a search and couldn't find anything on it. I just finished ACR, and regarding the ending...


-SPOILERS-


The underground "lab" or whatever it was that the ancients showed Desmond in what appeared to be North America..... That's the Oak Island Money Pit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Island_Money_Pit), right? The quick shot of the continent appeared to focus in on Nova Scotia, the tunnel leading down to the lab appeared to be the segmented, planked "trap (http://www.unmuseum.org/oakdiag.jpg)" that the pit is reputed to have, and the updated, buried-over surface glimpsed at the end certainly looked like Oak Island (http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt293/marcosparks_counterforce/OakIslandTreasure.jpg) - the only Island in Nova Scotia to contain those massive, non-native trees.

Considering the theorized connection between the pit and the Knights Templar (http://www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk/content/view/52/73/), and the centuries-old romanticized mystery of the pit, it would be fitting if the AC story decided to feature it prominently in its mythology, but I just wanted to make sure I'm not reading too much into it or seeing something that isn't there. Let me know if anyone else thought of this, if it was painfully obvious to everyone, or if I'm just way the hell off base.

Appreciate the feedback in advance.

-D0RK

GLHS
01-27-2012, 09:37 AM
The main consensus on here is that they are at the Grand Temple entrance, or at least near it, in New York, where the coordinates from the Da Vinci Disappearance DLC pointed to. Obviously, we're not absolutely positive, but that is what makes the most sense given the ending.

LightRey
01-27-2012, 11:36 AM
The main consensus on here is that they are at the Grand Temple entrance, or at least near it, in New York, where the coordinates from the Da Vinci Disappearance DLC pointed to. Obviously, we're not absolutely positive, but that is what makes the most sense given the ending.

Not to mention there are many solid pieces of evidence to support that particular theory.

lostboy233
01-27-2012, 12:10 PM
The main consensus on here is that they are at the Grand Temple entrance, or at least near it, in New York, where the coordinates from the Da Vinci Disappearance DLC pointed to. Obviously, we're not absolutely positive, but that is what makes the most sense given the ending.

Yup this is spot on based on whats been said and seen so far.

However if I'm being honest this seems to me a little bit like a missed trick, why just use a random cave when you could have based it at the Oak Island Money Pit with all its history and mystery. Just my opinion YMMV.

Still we don't know what Ubi has in store so this is all still somewhat in the relam of speculation anyway.

naran6142
01-27-2012, 07:29 PM
ok guys, Im going to throw something wild out here

A couple of months ago I was reading about one of the portable AC title, Altair Chronicles. Spoiler: At the end of the game the templars kidnap Adha (the chick Altair liked), and took her away on a ship because she was the Chalice (Holy Grail?).End Spoilers

the Holt Grail is supposed to be in this money pit right, maybe the Templars new about the grand temple, and brought Ahda there to open it

Juno mention that "only she can open the way", right?

Just Saying :p.... tho i do kinda like my idea

LightRey
01-27-2012, 10:18 PM
ok guys, Im going to throw something wild out here

A couple of months ago I was reading about one of the portable AC title, Altair Chronicles. Spoiler: At the end of the game the templars kidnap Adha (the chick Altair liked), and took her away on a ship because she was the Chalice (Holy Grail?).End Spoilers

the Holt Grail is supposed to be in this money pit right, maybe the Templars new about the grand temple, and brought Ahda there to open it

Juno mention that "only she can open the way", right?

Just Saying :p.... tho i do kinda like my idea

You're saying that the Templars went to New York in the 1100's?

rileypoole1234
01-27-2012, 10:22 PM
You're saying that the Templars went to New York in the 1100's?

I think that's what he meant. That would mean the Templars were possibly making regular trips to America before it was "discovered". Interesting.

LightRey
01-27-2012, 10:23 PM
I think that's what he meant. That would mean the Templars were possibly making regular trips to America before it was "discovered". Interesting.

I was more making a point in that the theory was highly unlikely...

naran6142
01-28-2012, 12:27 AM
You're saying that the Templars went to New York in the 1100's?

why not? they had ships and they had motive.

the viking landed in the Americas somewhere between 900 - 1000 AD, i think. I learned that in Gr 6 so i might be wrong but i know it was before Christopher Columbus

So it was possible for the time

LightRey
01-28-2012, 01:35 AM
why not? they had ships and they had motive.

the viking landed in the Americas somewhere between 900 - 1000 AD, i think. I learned that in Gr 6 so i might be wrong but i know it was before Christopher Columbus

So it was possible for the time

Of course it was possible for the vikings. They traveled via Greenland and on top of that they could travel a lot shorter distance. I've seen absolutely no sources indicating that the Templars even knew about the Americas before the 1400's and certainly not about the Grand Temple as the whole reason they wanted to get into Alta´r's Library was to find its location.

naran6142
01-28-2012, 01:47 AM
Of course it was possible for the vikings. They traveled via Greenland and on top of that they could travel a lot shorter distance. I've seen absolutely no sources indicating that the Templars even knew about the Americas before the 1400's and certainly not about the Grand Temple as the whole reason they wanted to get into Alta´r's Library was to find its location.

Ok, then what's with Ahda being "the Chalice"? Why was she taken away on a ship? Who is "she"?

Plus, the templars could have lost the information about the Grand temple, the Assassins could have had something to do with that. Kinda like how Altair was sent to kill everyone that knew about the apple

Im not claiming to have loads of evidence, I just threw it out there for fun :)

LightRey
01-28-2012, 02:24 AM
Ok, then what's with Ahda being "the Chalice"? Why was she taken away on a ship? Who is "she"?

Plus, the templars could have lost the information about the Grand temple, the Assassins could have had something to do with that. Kinda like how Altair was sent to kill everyone that knew about the apple

Im not claiming to have loads of evidence, I just threw it out there for fun :)

I don't see how the chalice automatically relates to the Grand Temple and the Americas. That's like saying Ezio's apple is the key to the cure for cancer. There's no logical connection between the two.

Subject-22
01-28-2012, 05:17 AM
This could get interesting

naran6142
01-28-2012, 06:55 AM
I don't see how the chalice automatically relates to the Grand Temple and the Americas. That's like saying Ezio's apple is the key to the cure for cancer. There's no logical connection between the two.

Oh, did u not read the the info on the page that was linked in the first post?

it says that the holy grail may have been deposited in the Americas

so if the chalice is the holy grail and Adha is the chalice, and Adha was taken away on a ship... get it now

CkSwtos
01-28-2012, 09:51 AM
All the ideas are based on Facts. What I want to say is, based on documentary shows I've seen, that there is a huge likelyhood that the Knights Templars have traveled to America. This was a few years before their final defeat (14th century). It *is* possible to have put down to rest the Grale in America. The intel on it could have been lost over the centuries, and as an e-mail in Assassin'sCreed 1 says, the Templars gained info on the location of the Grale, but it was not their primary goal. There are many caves in some particular places wich the scientists could not enter cause of the traps that block the way. Also in one of these caves, they have seen high radio activity from the bottom of the cave. Suppositions have been made that there lay the Ark of Moses. That theory is based on info they have that when they barbarians opened the Ark, cancer spread all over their city.

I see a huge connection between the ongoing story with these theories.

~~Just saying... O.o

GLHS
01-28-2012, 11:31 AM
Is everybody forgetting that, in theory, the holy grail is supposed to be housed in the ark of the covenant? Which was supposed to be in Soloman's Temple, and in AC they find it...which actually houses the Apple? I don't think there's anything else to the holy grail theory. Ideally, the holy grail's power came from Jesus, or the other theory is that it's Jesus's bloodline. I'm pretty sure AC went with the object theory and replaced the cup with the Apple. And then went a step further with the story that we're all familiar with. That Jesus had no power after all and that all the power comes from the Apple and TWCB.

LightRey
01-28-2012, 11:43 AM
Oh, did u not read the the info on the page that was linked in the first post?

it says that the holy grail may have been deposited in the Americas

so if the chalice is the holy grail and Adha is the chalice, and Adha was taken away on a ship... get it now

It's a random article on a random blog. Them saying the holy grail "may have been deposited in the Americas" means absolutely nothing. Your theory comes out of nowhere.

How would they have known about the temple?
How did they forget the location of the Grand Temple?
How did they even get to the Americas and forget about the entire continent for 300 years?
Why would they want to bring the holy grail to the Grand Temple?
Why did they think Adha was the Chalice if she wasn't (as she clearly wasn't in New York)?

LordWolv
01-28-2012, 11:45 AM
Never, EVER believe websites.
Ever.

CkSwtos
01-28-2012, 12:02 PM
Is everybody forgetting that, in theory, the holy grail is supposed to be housed in the ark of the covenant? Which was supposed to be in Soloman's Temple, and in AC they find it...which actually houses the Apple? I don't think there's anything else to the holy grail theory. Ideally, the holy grail's power came from Jesus, or the other theory is that it's Jesus's bloodline. I'm pretty sure AC went with the object theory and replaced the cup with the Apple. And then went a step further with the story that we're all familiar with. That Jesus had no power after all and that all the power comes from the Apple and TWCB.

But in AC 1 they make mention of the Grale. Although I am more into Dan Brown's theory on the Grale.

LightRey
01-28-2012, 12:09 PM
Never, EVER believe websites.
Ever.

Unless they're websites of peer reviewed, scientific journals and the like.

GLHS
01-28-2012, 12:23 PM
But in AC 1 they make mention of the Grale. Although I am more into Dan Brown's theory on the Grale.

They do, but remember, it had always been a theory and mystery. Up until they actually went under Solomon's Temple and found the Apple. They also make mention all of the other "miracles" and why they aren't actually miracles, but were illusions created by the Apple. Parting the Red Sea, Water to wine, Jesus's Resurrection, all of that was mentioned as being nothing more that illusions and myths created by the Apple to make people believe and obey.

naran6142
01-28-2012, 07:30 PM
It's a random article on a random blog. Them saying the holy grail "may have been deposited in the Americas" means absolutely nothing. Your theory comes out of nowhere.

How would they have known about the temple?
How did they forget the location of the Grand Temple?
How did they even get to the Americas and forget about the entire continent for 300 years?
Why would they want to bring the holy grail to the Grand Temple?
Why did they think Adha was the Chalice if she wasn't (as she clearly wasn't in New York)?

if there is even a little fact behind the idea, i dont see why Ubi couldn't use it, its not like AC is 100% historically accurate

They're Templars, they, as well as the assassins new a lot more about the world than anyone else
Information can get lost over the years, look at all the stuff in ancient eygpt. Plus I said the Assassins could have had something to do with it
A ship... and same as above
What do you mean she wasn't, the AC wiki says she was, and then was taken away on a ship

LightRey
01-28-2012, 07:51 PM
if there is even a little fact behind the idea, i dont see why Ubi couldn't use it, its not like AC is 100% historically accurate

They're Templars, they, as well as the assassins new a lot more about the world than anyone else
Information can get lost over the years, look at all the stuff in ancient eygpt. Plus I said the Assassins could have had something to do with it
A ship... and same as above
What do you mean she wasn't, the AC wiki says she was, and then was taken away on a ship

They could use it even if there wasn't any suggestion, but that's beside the point. There haven't really been any hints in any parts of the story to suggest such a thing and generally using real world parallels is generally only used when they're either scientifically possible/valid or if they're very popular (see genetic memory and the Mayan Calendar as respective examples), else putting them in serves little purpose.

She was taken away on a ship. Alta´r found her dead years later (after AC1) and he was nowhere near America.

massmurdera_666
01-28-2012, 08:10 PM
i also saw a documentary about the templars being in america before their destruction. the templars supposedly went to the vikings in search of help, they heard rumors that the vikings traveled to a far off land and paid for safe voyage to this far off land. researchers have also found templar markers as far as michigan going all the back to the east coast, along with a viking tombstone, i believe in illinois, that tells a story of a group of men wearing a cross that ended up killing each other. also, on the east coast, there's a tower built with the same architecture the templars used called benedict arnold tower, and was there before the first colonists arrived. same with the money pit, some of the traps and levels that have been removed are in the same style of workmanship of the templars and was also built before the first colonists.

i wish i could remember the name of the documentary, it was really good. also, anything about the money pit would be awesome in an AC game, it is a true mystery

LightRey
01-28-2012, 08:25 PM
i also saw a documentary about the templars being in america before their destruction. the templars supposedly went to the vikings in search of help, they heard rumors that the vikings traveled to a far off land and paid for safe voyage to this far off land. researchers have also found templar markers as far as michigan going all the back to the east coast, along with a viking tombstone, i believe in illinois, that tells a story of a group of men wearing a cross that ended up killing each other. also, on the east coast, there's a tower built with the same architecture the templars used called benedict arnold tower, and was there before the first colonists arrived. same with the money pit, some of the traps and levels that have been removed are in the same style of workmanship of the templars and was also built before the first colonists.

i wish i could remember the name of the documentary, it was really good. also, anything about the money pit would be awesome in an AC game, it is a true mystery

I would like a source for said documentary, because that sounds like a load of BS to me (no offense).

massmurdera_666
01-28-2012, 08:37 PM
Holy Grail in America

the history channel made it

LightRey
01-28-2012, 08:46 PM
Holy Grail in America

the history channel made it

That's in 1492. The Knights Templar were disbanded (and driven to extinction) in 1312, which was 180 years earlier. This man was as much a Templar as Anders Breivik is.

Furthermore I would advise anyone that the History Channel is not exactly scientifically reliable and any of their programs should be viewed with great criticism.

massmurdera_666
01-28-2012, 08:53 PM
it says 1362

LightRey
01-28-2012, 09:09 PM
it says 1362

That's what one very much disputed and scientifically unverified piece of evidence says in a very loose reference. Even so that piece of evidence mentions no Templars (just Goths and Normans) and it was still well after the Templars were disbanded. Furthermore the only reason the whole idea even came up is that some people (no actual official titles or even names are mentioned about these people) claim that "it is entirely possible that an expedition including Cistercian monks and Knights Templar may have taken place in the 1300s, resulting in the carving of the Kensington Runestone.", which in the language of science can be translated to: "This is a random idea which has nothing solid to support it other than that it's not impossible".

The stone has not properly been studied, there are no references to any pieces of evidence in Europe that indicate that such a suggested expedition of the Knights Templar, who are supposed to be gone by then, was ever executed and there are no direct references to any actual specialists granting any serious validity to the theory.

It's BS.

naran6142
01-28-2012, 10:22 PM
They could use it even if there wasn't any suggestion, but that's beside the point. There haven't really been any hints in any parts of the story to suggest such a thing and generally using real world parallels is generally only used when they're either scientifically possible/valid or if they're very popular (see genetic memory and the Mayan Calendar as respective examples), else putting them in serves little purpose.

She was taken away on a ship. Alta´r found her dead years later (after AC1) and he was nowhere near America.

he found her? did he mention that in revelations or something?

i still really dont see a problem with the Templars going to North America at that time tho

LightRey
01-28-2012, 10:47 PM
he found her? did he mention that in revelations or something?

i still really dont see a problem with the Templars going to North America at that time tho

He wrote it in the codex.