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Mitlov47
06-18-2004, 02:09 AM
Got some questions for those whose primary sport is tank-busting and vehicle-blasting:

1) What's your favorite machine? (yes, the obligatory first question) This isn't a question of "which killed the most in WWII," just which do you enjoy flying the most.

2) Do you primarily play online or offline? If online, where do you go so that your skills will be needed? If offline, do you do dynamic campaigns, or do you have any suggestions of good missions / static campaigns to download?

3) What's your ordinance of choice: rockets, bombs, cannons? Or do you try to rely on all three?

I know that there are some ground-pounders out there, but they don't seem nearly as vocal as the air-to-air crowd, so I wanted to hear a bit of what they had to say.

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Mitlov47
06-18-2004, 02:09 AM
Got some questions for those whose primary sport is tank-busting and vehicle-blasting:

1) What's your favorite machine? (yes, the obligatory first question) This isn't a question of "which killed the most in WWII," just which do you enjoy flying the most.

2) Do you primarily play online or offline? If online, where do you go so that your skills will be needed? If offline, do you do dynamic campaigns, or do you have any suggestions of good missions / static campaigns to download?

3) What's your ordinance of choice: rockets, bombs, cannons? Or do you try to rely on all three?

I know that there are some ground-pounders out there, but they don't seem nearly as vocal as the air-to-air crowd, so I wanted to hear a bit of what they had to say.

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Porsimo
06-18-2004, 02:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
Got some questions for those whose primary sport is tank-busting and vehicle-blasting:

1) What's your favorite machine? (yes, the obligatory first question) This isn't a question of "which killed the most in WWII," just which do you enjoy flying the most.

2) Do you primarily play online or offline? If online, where do you go so that your skills will be needed? If offline, do you do dynamic campaigns, or do you have any suggestions of good missions / static campaigns to download?

3) What's your ordinance of choice: rockets, bombs, cannons? Or do you try to rely on all three?

I know that there are some ground-pounders out there, but they don't seem nearly as vocal as the air-to-air crowd, so I wanted to hear a bit of what they had to say.

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I'm not sure if it's my primary sport, more like 50-50 with air-to-air fighting...

But here goes:

1) IL-2M or P-47, because I find them nice and stable platforms for targeting. Bf-110 on LW side, more or less for the same reason.
2) Offline only so far making my own missions. Here are couple to test if you like (those US missions): http://personal.inet.fi/koti/gudmund/fb/missions/
3) I rely on all three, using cannons and rockets as primary weapons and that's why I appreciate the stability http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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tttiger
06-18-2004, 02:34 AM
Maybe if you spent more time flying and less writing, you would know more about the sim. You've been registered for two years. Haven't you tried out all the toys yet?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I do both air-to-air and air-to-ground. Here are my picks for mud moving:

1) Sturmo, preferably the Field Mod (best tail gun, lighter and faster, does well as a fighter if you need to defend yourself). Jug is a close second choice beacuse it is powerful, stable and pulls out of high speed dives very smoothly. P-38 carries more ordnance but is not a stable platform and subject to compression. I don't fly Axis but from the looks of it, the bf110 probably is pretty good. And I'm sure the jabo version of the 262 can tear up ground targets pretty well with those 30mm cannon.

I'm guessing the Typhoon/Tempest will be pretty awesome once it arrives. And if we get Mossies, the FBVI will rule in hit and run attacks!

2) Off line during the week; on line on weekends. Coops only.

3) I favor the Sturmo because it has area weapons: Napalm cassettes, PTABs and those nasty phosphorous bomblets that roll out of those two ugly tubes. I also like rockets, which is why I prefer the Field Mod because it carries 8. If the sim were accurate, we would have napalm for the Jugs in late summer 1944 and HVARs on the Jugs by the Battle of the Bulge, but that hasn't happened, has it?

Hope that helps, although, again, if you really wanted answers you'd be flying instead of posting. There's no substitute for experience http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Wolkenbeisser
06-18-2004, 02:41 AM
1) P-38J/L P-47D-27 (and sometimes 'cause I like their 3D-models and they can carry bombs: P-51B,C,D, P-40M and Spitfire VB/IX)

2) Offline or on a LAN with selfbuilt missions.

3) All three, depends on target

P.S. "throwing" bombs with a P-47 after a almost vertical dive is cool... or strafing convoy-vehicles with additional ammo! The rockets of P-38L are also a great thing.

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Tooz_69GIAP
06-18-2004, 02:54 AM
IL2 Field Mod coz the gunner has 2 MGs, and it carries 8 roskets together with the 23mm cannon with a decent amount of ammo.

The P-38L is great with nice speed, dive bomb capability, and it's armament is great: 10x5"HVARs (these are big explosions!) and 2x1,000lb bombs, and it can take care of itself in the fighter role if bounced.

I like the Me-110 as well, as it is a real lady to fly, it's real smooth, and it has some great loadouts, just a pity the muzzle flashes are blinding.

I generally fly the IL2 online in coop missions in the Forgotten Skies (http://www.forgottenskies.com) war as this is very much focussed on ground pounding.

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06-18-2004, 03:04 AM
Ju87G

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WOLFMondo
06-18-2004, 03:24 AM
I like the P47 and P38 - mainly due to large ordanance and the great views out the front. The 0.50's can take out just about anything apart from late war tanks and the bombs, rockets and HVAR's are good for anything. Killing Tigers and King tigers is still tough as they require direct hits but you can use delayed fuse bombs and skip them so they hit the side of the tanks then blow up.

The BF110 is good for convoys and emplacements but not so good against tanks.

Don't really fly the Stuka, I always feel like a sitting duck flying a brick.

The IL2 type 3 and Type 3M are good and theres not much they can't deal with using the VAP's which for some reason are great at taking out ships. The only reason I don't like the IL2's is there c-rap fighters compared to the US ground pounders.

Although there not in yet, I think the Beaufighter will rule the ground pounding roost when we get it. 4 20mm Hispano cannons, 2000lbs of bombs or Torpedo, 8 rockets or 6 0.303's...its gonna make stuff hurt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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STENKA_69.GIAP
06-18-2004, 05:34 AM
What - IL2 Fieldmod, 8 rockets, twin machine guns at rear

Where - Stalingrad or any dogfight room that allows vulching

Why - nothing better than flying through the blast, flames and assorted spare parts that was your enemy befgore the rockets hit.

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Zayets
06-18-2004, 06:01 AM
IL2 any version,lately I fly only He111,gives me power feeling.
I do think IL2 field mod gunner is toned down from the original IL2. Was very good then, not in FB, especially not in AEP.But this is just my feeling.
Another good bird is Bf110,tailgunner is better IMHO than the one in IL2 field mod. Besides, Bf110 will have anytime,anyhow any IL2 for lunch. But then again,is about ground pounding. I do feel safe in any IL2,cannot say the same about Bf110.
And I fly them offline & online.Best survability for me was in He111 after I pass 2000m alt barrier.

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Locust_
06-18-2004, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
Got some questions for those whose primary sport is tank-busting and vehicle-blasting:

1) What's your favorite machine?

2) Do you primarily play online or offline? If online, where do you go so that your skills will be needed?

3) What's your ordinance of choice: rockets, bombs, cannons? Or do you try to rely on all three?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


P38
Il2
P47
He111
JU87
In that order

I play online & I play mostley @ Warclouds @ the moment but greatergreen has some cool GP missions too.

As far as load out goes It all depends on the targets but heres some basics

P38 2x1000 pound bomb & 10xHVAR Rockets
Il2 (tank busting) AJ2 Cassette with 1 second delay on bombs setup

P47 2x500 & 1x1000 Pound bombs

He111 2x2000

Ju87 1x1800

Make sure you alwayes set the bomb delay depending on how your going to bomb If your going to use the bombsight in the he111 from 3000m alt you need 0 delay if your going to dive bomb with it make dam sure you have 3 second delay or KAPOWWWWWWWWWWWW

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ImpStarDuece
06-18-2004, 06:56 AM
Hurricane MkIIc,

The one with 4 Hispanos http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cant believe no one else has discovered the best GA attacker in the game yet.

No bombs for my 'Hurribomber' as yet but if 2.02 is anything like the 'leaked' patch i'll be in heaven.

Can kill ANY soft target with ease and German tanks up to MK IV with high angle rear armour shots. Got 2 Mk IVs in one pass in the QMB tonight.

Rock steady gun platform as well. No problem destroying planes, half tracks, trucks with minimal bursts of fire. Nailed 12 He 111s in a single GA mission as well as getting a 109F4 after my initial pass.

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Breeze147
06-18-2004, 08:00 AM
The IL-2. Was flying as #3 yesterday in offline stock campaign. The way I worked with the AI to get into position and attack was a work of art. We took out an entire tank column in one pass, then regrouped and helped our I-16 escorts go after some Bf-110's. I got one of the buggers and #1 got 2 of them. Unfortunately, we lost #2, may he rest in peace. I keep trying, but my big goal is to take out an enemy aircraft with a rocket. Can't seem to get the deflection right.

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Tully__
06-18-2004, 08:17 AM
1. IL2, preferably a version that has the M-13 or RS/BRS132 rockets available, but in the absence of that ride I take a P-38/P-39/P47 or Me110/Fw190 in that order.

2. Online. Coops or some of the scripted DF servers (Warclouds has some gooduns for the P-38 & Me110)

3. Rockets/Cannons by preference, then cluster munitions, big bombs and other stuff in order of preference. I skip the rockets on the axis aircraft, can't hit anything with 'em http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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eXtra_Corrosiv
06-18-2004, 10:11 AM
I'll pound ground with anything http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif usually i kill more peeps when i crash my plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I like the Sturmovik field mod, I like the fb campaigns, i just hate to fly alot to get to the action, i been using the speed key alot.

Cannons are my primary weapon. Then rox. I try to not have to resort tpo bombing.



I also like to move mud in the a-10 in lomac.

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Agamemnon22
06-18-2004, 10:28 AM
1) P-38 or Me110, but have been known to take HE111's, FW190s and Stukas. Not so much the IL-2's.

2) I fly almost exclusively on Warclouds

3) Bombs. Those tight formations of tanks are real good targets for a couple SC2000's. Rockets on the P-38 on occasion. Guns as last resort against soft targets.

gates123
06-18-2004, 11:14 AM
I enjoy the P-63 3 x 500 and then after that you can snipe cars and trucks

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Mitlov47
06-18-2004, 12:17 PM
Thanks everyone for the responses! Interesting reading.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
Maybe if you spent more time flying and less writing, you would know more about the sim. You've been registered for two years. Haven't you tried out all the toys yet?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. I haven't owned FB for two years. I registered two years ago on Ubi's Ghost Recon servers, which use the same forums. I bought FB a few weeks before AEP came out.

2. I can't play every day, or even close to that. I've got other things going on in my life. Occassionally, I'll have a couple-day window open up where I can play a lot, and I'll sometimes have a question or two during those binges so I'll shut down FB and ask said question online.

3. If you don't like my posts...don't read 'em. If somehow my asking questions about various planes is burdensome on these boards, or posting "what's your favorite such-and-such" threads is against board policy, one of the mods should contact me.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hope that helps, although, again, if you really wanted answers you'd be flying instead of posting. There's no substitute for experience http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That post was a good read, though I still don't understand why a "what's your favorite such-and-such" thread is so irritating to you. I know which planes *I* favor for ground-and-pound, I was asking what *others* favored.

To illustrate that I already have answers for myself, I was just taking a poll of sorts:

My favorite ground-and-pound aircraft is the BF-110. I like it's stability, it's moderate speed (not too fast to aim, not too slow to get out of Dodge), it's amazing visibility, and the sound of the twin engines. Depending on the mission, I'll either use the 37mm gunpod or twin 500kg bombs. I hate rockets, and I've never seen a purpose for the 50kg bombs on the wings.

I play primarily offline in quick mission builder. I wander online from time to time, but somehow I find the offline experience more fun.

I like bombs and cannons. I hate rockets. Hate 'em. I've never been very effective with the Sturmovik's other weapons (cluster-bombs, phosphorous, etc), so I mainly just choose a plane that has big cannons and/or a heavy bombload and go with that.

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Udidtoo
06-18-2004, 12:30 PM
As far as an offline campaign goes the 110 that comes built in AEP is good if you want a challenge.

Its a great bird for tearing up ground targets though I prefer the P-38.

The challenge sets in when you get jumped by Red .......fill in the blanks. It starts in 43 and every Soviet bird you encounter is faster/more manuverable so hope for good AI escort. You often need them.

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I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

Breeze147
06-18-2004, 05:01 PM
Crimea 43 is a good Russki campaign. I'm not sure if its the one from the front page of this forum or if I got it somewhere else. The sixth mission will make you insane. I think its built from the original but it runs just fine on AEP.

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
06-18-2004, 05:31 PM
1) Any(and I mean ANY) that can carry ordinace(Hurri IIc is also on the list although it doesnt carry ordinace) including heavies.

2)I play offline and online about the same amount. Skill for ground pounding is the same for both.

3)I use all to the best of their abilities, bombs agains soft to medium targets, rockets on armor mostly, cannons against everything. I have taken out armor with the proper IL2 cannons and Hispanos.

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Korolov
06-18-2004, 05:43 PM
I prefer to use P-47's and P-38's to perform SEAD on a target area - take out every AA gun there is. Once that is finished, I return to base and grab a IL-2, usually the Type 3 model (with 23mm guns.) PTAB with rockets is the first choice, but if the targets are scattered, rockets with 100kg bombs works well.

Note that online is the place I go - most often coops. But if I join a dogfight, I do the above.

Preferred weapon would have to be bombs and rockets; 100kg bombs on the IL-2, 500lb on the P-38 and P-47. I like to set a delay of 3 seconds and drop the bombs right on the deck. If the mission calls for anti-shipping, I remove the delay. HVAR rockets on the P-38 are my favorite type; they pack enough wallop to take out a Fernidan/Elefant.

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Locust_
06-18-2004, 06:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:

Hurricane MkIIc,

The one with 4 Hispanos http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cant believe no one else has discovered the best GA attacker in the game yet.

No bombs for my 'Hurribomber' as yet but if 2.02 is anything like the 'leaked' patch i'll be in heaven.

Can kill ANY soft target with ease and German tanks up to MK IV with high angle rear armour shots. Got 2 Mk IVs in one pass in the QMB tonight.

Nailed 12 He 111s in a single GA mission as well as getting a 109F4 after my initial pass.

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Man thats alot of HE111's........................................... ..............................................

Zeus-cat
06-18-2004, 07:12 PM
1) Favorite machine:

Il-2 especially the series 1 with 16 rockets. The best ground-pounder in the game IMO. All its weapons are effective against ground targets and it is very tough and and a stable platform. It can hold its own against 109s if it has to.

P-47 with bombs and rockets. Not as good as the IL-2 for attacking ground targets, but once the bombs are gone it is a better dogfighter. 8 .50s are good for taking out any soft targets.

2) Online or offline:

Both. Online in a squad and offline in the campaigns by BOE.

3) Rockets, bombs, cannons

All three. I try to take out as much stuff as I can.

Zeus-cat

Steaky_361st
06-18-2004, 08:43 PM
1. The Fw190F-8 or the Bf110...great variety of ordinance and can take some punishment.

2. Both. I enjoy sometimes going offline in FMB and making myself little bombing maps where its just me with unlimited ammo and ordinance and I take out airfields/trucks/tanks/ships etc.

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LStarosta
06-18-2004, 09:27 PM
1) In no particular order:

P47- 'Nuff said. Possibly the best choice for Jabo/Fighter Bombing/Ground Attack whatever you want to call it operations. Extremely fast, extremely durable, EXTREMELY forgiving. Eight .50 caliber machine guns are useful for strafing after you've blown your load, so to speak. Carries enough ordnance to blow Jerry (or you) off the spot, guaranteed.

P38- I like it for the same reasons I like the P47 in some respects, somewhat minus on the durability from my experience. Models with divebreaks preferred. Carries roughly equal ordnance to P47 (more with the X-mas rockets), and is also very fast. Sometimes it's good to have two engine just in case the power goes out or something ;P. Decent bridge buster when you got 10 rockets under your wings. Wish you could fire those off one by one... Oh well.

P51 Though really, not up to par with the P47 as a fighter bomber, all things considered, nevertheless, I enjoy using it especially for that role. No mistake, it carries a decent bomb load, considering its size, but it's quite fragile and you better avoid situations where there's a lot of flak present, or if you must go through flak, come in high speed, know where your target is beforehand, and haul a$$.

P40- What can I say? It's got a medium payload of 1000lbs, but I just love this plane. I don't know about anyone else, but I find this plane to be quite durable, and its maneuverability is a plus... Just don't want to get caught with your pants down at low altitude, because this plane relies on altitude and speed advantages against its contemporary foes, mainly the Zero. 6 .50 cals give it good strafing capabilities, and will tear any Zeroes to shreds. Try not to turn yourself into a P-400... (heh.. a P40 with a 0 on its tail... heh.. yeah, it's a lame old joke.)

Spitfire MkIX Similar reasons as P-40.

Me110 Sheer amount of possibilities with this aircraft. Whether you want a huge anti-armor cannon, a pair of bombs, or a few rockets, this is the plane to be in. The versatility of German designers and technicians is amazingly evident with this aircraft. Two engines are a plus, since it can fly decently at around 300km/h on one engine, even if you can't get the inoperative prop to feather.

He111 (believe it or not). I'm one who likes to fly planes the way they weren't meant to be flown, and He111 is no exception. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Although slow, and large, it carries decent amounts of bombs at speeds other aircraft like Stukas couldn't manage. Climbs decently with a full load, and I've flown it as a pretty decent dive bomber from 2000-3500 meters. Though a bit tricky to get your bombs on target in a dive due to that lack sights, once you get the hang of it, it works out quite well. It's surprisingly maneuverable, and whether you want to shower a vehicle column, or drop a pair of XXX Hardcore 2000kg 44DD jugs, there's an He111 variant to do the job. Is also an excellent torpedo bomber. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Try not to fly with your mouth open to catch flak. I never trusted a GLASS nose to keep me safe from AAA fire... I'd recommend using this plane in such a role only in areas with low enemy fighter activity, or if you REALLY trust the guys flying fighter cover for you...

Stukas marginally make the list. The reason I say marginally, is because I find them to be extremely underpowered with a full bomb load. Though if you're not in a hurry and can afford a lot of time to get some altitude, you can plant a bomb on a dime with the Stuvi, provided you don't get picked off by "Uber 1337 AAA Snipers".

Oh, and IL2, of course. I prefer the model with the dual 30mm cannons. Off Topic, but an IL2 with those wrecks havoc on bombers like He111's provided they are flying at an altitude less than 5000 meters or so.



2) Both, but my connection keeps resetting at the most inopportune moments, which is a big peeve. I'll usually either fly online in coops or scripted Dogfight missions with plenty of ground targets.



3) As you can tell, I prefer bombs, but rockets are an excellent weapon as well. I prefer American rockets over the Russian and German ones, but that's probably since I've used those the most. I dislike cannons unless attacking airfields with parked a/c (Hurri Mk.IIc is excellent for this job... just gotta avoid flak like your life depends on it.. which it does.) Another exception is the IL2 fitted with dual 30mm cannons. Using a flight logger I've noticed that my survivability is significantly higher when using bombs, and I assume that's because I don't have to get in as close with bombs as I do with cannons or even rockets...



Anyway, that's my rant, take it or leave it :P.

Mitlov47
06-19-2004, 12:14 AM
LStarosta--

You comment that you like the speed of the P-47. Don't you find it's actually *too fast* for ground attack? I've often found that I don't have enough time to locate a target, line up, and hit them before I've already blown by them.

And a random thought: wouldn't it have been great if the USAAF put a rear gunner on the P-38? That would have been one hell of a ground pounder. The airframe could easily handle a second seat--there was the P-38M nightfighter--so I don't see why they didn't ever stick a guy and a Browning back there. Any thoughts?

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Snow_Wolf_
06-19-2004, 12:43 AM
1) Ju-87 Stuka or Focke Wulf 190 F8,A series for Luft, P-47 for allies and Il-2 for russian

2)Online , Coop mission, online dynamic campaigns, Fw mission, Offline QMB or Stuka campaigns

3) Rocket's / Bombs for tanks and guns for trucks or soft targets. Perfer Ab bombs for soft stuff

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Maj_Death
06-19-2004, 01:21 AM
1) Depends on target area, time period, air resistance and other factors. If the tanks are massed in a tight formation I lean towards the He-111H6 and Ju-87's with their big bombs (SC1000, SC1800, SC2000). However if I expect to encounter effective enemy interceptors then I will not fly one of the real bombers. In 1941 and 1942 the He-111 and Ju-87's can operate with a reasonable chance of survival so if the target area is dense I will take one of those. But if it is 1943 onwards I usually take something a little quicker such as a Bf-110 or Fw-190. Flak is also a concern. If I know the area has lots of light flak guns then I will take an He-111 and bomb the target from beyond the AAA's maximum range. If it has lots of large flak guns then I will take a smaller plane and go in low. But all of this is assuming a dense target area, if the target area is spread out then I will take the Fw-190 or Bf-110. If it is spread out to the point where the maximum number of kills for a single SC500 is 1, then I will take the Bf-110G2 with a BK3.7.

2) Online, VEF/VWF, COOPs and scripted servers
3) Bombs, mostly SC500 and larger but I sometimes use the BK3.7 on the Bf-110G2.

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LStarosta
06-19-2004, 08:07 AM
You can NEVER be too fast. I see some of your concerns with target acquisition, which is why if you're flying coops, it's good to have an intelligence section in your squad so you know where to look for things. Alternately, come in fast and visually scan the area for hostile ground units. Usually, flak will be a telltale beacon. In this case flak is your friend and your enemy. If you're not fast enough and flak concentration is high, you run the risk of getting shot up/down due to that first "reconaissance pass". Generally with FB's AI, the flak will come-a-showerin' long before you're in attack range, and where there's flak there's usually targets.

Another thing is people's tendency to release the bombs TOO LATE in a fast aircraft like the P47, especially when they use a 1-3 second fuse on their bombs in low-altitude level bombing. This is something you just have to get used to and compensate for. Or you can come in from a relatively higher angle by dive bombing to minimize this effect somewhat. Whatever you do, don't stick around too long. New pilots do this, they get greedy, and want to use up all of their remaining rockets/machine gun ammo on other targets, and that's how they get shot down, usually through a flak player kill because they were being idiots. I know, I used to do this ALL the time. Come in two passes maximum, though try and shoot for one, and it is almost guaranteed that you'll return to base with a decently functioning machine.

About the rear gunner on the P38... All I can say is... MEH... I wouldn't like it. The additional load is just something that keeps you from carrying more bombs and ruins your performance, not to mention aerodynamics. Furthermore, a rear mounted machine gun does no good to a boom and zooming bandit coming in at high angles, which is what most SMART people would do to low flying aircraft.

ImpStarDuece
06-19-2004, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:
Man thats alot of HE111's........................................... ..............................................<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welll, i din't get them all with my 20mm. Got clipped by ground fire and wound up plowing into a group of them, destroying three (and consequently me) in the process http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif just good aiming i guess. Still, i reckon a posthumous DFC would be in order, at the least. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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Mitlov47
06-21-2004, 02:10 AM
I'm surprised that no one mentioned the Yak-9B for the Russians. I guess it was one of the new 2.01 planes. I gave it a shot for the first time tonight (had never really noticed it--other 2.01 planes had stolen the limelight I guess) and it's darned effective--better in some ways than a Sturmovik.

It carries up to four FAB-100s or up to 128 PTABs in an internal bay--not shabby at all. It's pretty durable, and unlike the IL-2, it's fast, so it's less of a flak magnet. Doesn't have the ammo load of the IL-2 Type 3 or the large-caliber of the Type 3M, though. You've got the real advantage of being able to survive being bounced (once you drop your ordinance, that is).

Are the lack of mentions of the Yak-9B because folks don't really like it, or because like me many folks had never tried it?

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WOLFMondo
06-21-2004, 06:35 AM
I tried the Yak9b when we first got it but never really flew it much after that but for convoy or AA/Artiller emplacements its a good plane I found but if theres a dedicated ground pounder available I'd rather take that. I've never really been a fan of the Yaks though, I hate the gun sight.

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LStarosta
06-21-2004, 08:47 AM
Yeah I generally don't like the cockpits on the Yak's and the MiG's, they seem to take up too much space. I guess I'm just spoiled by the P40 cockpit :P.

Kamikaze_Gibbon
06-21-2004, 09:10 AM
When flying ground attack missions I prefer the early series of IL2 Sturmoviks (up to the Field mod). Their high durability usually ensures that you can make a successful strike and return home for a well earned shot (or two) of vodka http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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My ordinance of choice is usually a 2 second delayed fuse FAB100. I also like the 23mm VYa cannons for hunting light to medium tanks and inquisitive, kill hungry AI Bf-109s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif . As for using rockets - I need to walk my fire to the targets, so these are not ideal weapons for me.

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LStarosta
06-21-2004, 09:13 AM
"I would go online but my total lack of skill means that I would be nothing more than a target drone"


You'd be surprised at the amount of "green" pilots you'll find online. Like this one Justin kid I know...

FRAGAL
06-21-2004, 10:26 AM
i'm a bit of a secret ground pounder, but i love it dont get chance to do it that often online.
1! fave plane for jaboing has to be the P38L, speed, stability great loadouts plus a dive brake is always helpful, second fave is the spit for a low zoom and boom drop with a 2 sec delay on 250 lbers.
2.i do play online but mostly dogfighting not much chance for a jabo run.
3. i like all combinations of loadouts rockets bombs and rockets, guns bombs and rockets as long as it makes my target go bang i'm happy
S! fragal

Mitlov47
06-21-2004, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I've never really been a fan of the Yaks though, I hate the gun sight.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geordi LaForge reports on his first experience flying a Yak:

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WOLFMondo
06-21-2004, 12:31 PM
Lmao! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Gibbage1
06-21-2004, 12:53 PM
I love ground pounding. My drug of choice is P-38 on Warcouds or Greater Green. I love the ability to demolish a LOT of stuff, and then fight 109's. The rocket rails seem to effect my performance a bit even with the rockets gone, but I still put up a good fight. Im a deadeye with the HVAR's and learned to divebomb in the P-38 with good accuracy. I wish I could drop the bombs 1 at a time.

A few nights ago on greater green I did 1 flight. I dropped my bombs on a concentration of AA and trucks killing 2 trucks and 2 AA. I then straifed 2 AA's. Now with the AA gone, I worked over the Panzer IV's. I nailed 4 out of 5 tanks. By this time, 1 P-47 and 1 P-51 were mizing it up with some 109's and a Ta-152. I joined in and shot down 2 109's and went home. The score I got for that was just amazing. I was going back for more when a 109 bounced me. I dropped my load, fired my rockets and actually beat him off and shot him down! The P-38 is an astonishing aircraft and I love it.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Simjock
06-21-2004, 01:17 PM
I really do enjoy tank busting. Lets face it, thats what got IL2 started, right?

1) Ilike the IL2M 1943, and the P-38 (asll of em)

2) I play both on, and off line. Most hosts on HL don't put the time and effort into a good ground battle, but they do leave targets at the airfeilds. And an IL2M can do a llot of dammage!

3)Ordinance? As much as possible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

I prefer online dogfight missions simply for the ability to respawn. I know the guys at "Virtual Eastern Front" do allot of battles based on ground combat. You should check that out.

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Gibbage1
06-21-2004, 01:21 PM
Does anyone have a good P-38 campain? Or some good P-38 missions? I suck in the FMB.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Mitlov47
06-21-2004, 01:29 PM
I might try writing some in a couple weeks when I get out of summer school. I'm normally cr-p with computers, but I've had some luck with the FMB before.

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FRAGAL
06-21-2004, 01:50 PM
hi lads i got one mission that i've done, i think it's good, i'm okay with FMB i can get it to do what i want most of the time email me on shandley123@yahoo.com if you want it
S!
Fragal

JG77_Tintin
06-25-2004, 10:35 PM
While I like the single seat IL2's with their range of ordinance, I prefer the stuka's most of all. So my reasons and two cents worth are: (1) compare the respective bombloads for all the single engined aircraft. (2) I find the single engined craft are smaller more handier, less of a target then the two engined jobs. (3) You have the very accurate dive bombing option, against highly AA defended targets, like airbases and ships also. (4) A gunner in the rear to warn you of anything sneaking up on you. (5) It can maneuver at extremly slow stall speeds near the ground.
Now I know most of you will talk about it's vulnerability to enemy fighters, but if you plan your missions before hand, take less obvious routes and use the landscape and sun, you often get through unscathed. Make fighters work for their kills and hard part of this is finding their prey. So don't let them find you. I can sometimes sit in a dogfight server all night and not be intercepted. Take up a stuka to 5000m and see how many fighters are about to intercept you.Usually none. They are down low waiting, which doesn't interfere with your bombrun. Likewise, load up with an SC1800 Satan, with a 2 second delay. Fly at 0 to 50m altitude all the way to the target. 100m and above is too high. Make sure your skin is good and attack the targets from behind or the sun behind you. If intercepted, go for the deck, bob, dodge, turn and weave. Combat flaps and don't allow the enemy under your tail. Always give the gunner a clear field of fire. Think in the new patch the gunner calls when and where to break. 33% of the time the enemy will get you on deflection but often your gunner will nail him, he will stall or crash into the ground or most often loose sight of you, if keep at very low level. With a little thought, Stuka's are far from easy meat.