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Yum_Yum
12-31-2004, 02:23 PM
Hello http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Today my fuel tank was hit and my plane was still flyable untill I ran out of fuel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I don't know much about the damaged model but
I understand that planes may have more than one fuel tank.

I use the Focke Wulf planes and have been told that they have more than one fuel tank.

If I am hit and out of fuel does this mean that all of the fuel tanks have been leaking at the same time ?

or is it that all planes are modelled with one fuel tank ?

Cya! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

zugfuhrer
12-31-2004, 03:16 PM
The damage model isnt so detailed as you thinks. A german plane can get out of fuel if you stay on the ground and your engine is cut. This is not a perfect combat flight simulator.
Regards Zug

Zeus-cat
12-31-2004, 03:24 PM
Some planes have multiple fuel tanks and will show several leaks if hit in more than one tank. Specifically, the P-47, P-38 and He-111 will show multiple leaks. Eventually the tanks run dry.

Normally, if hit in only one tank, the P-47 keeps flying after the fuel drains away which would mean that each tank is modeled separately. Not sure on the 190.

Zeus-cat

LStarosta
12-31-2004, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
The damage model isnt so detailed as you thinks. A german plane can get out of fuel if you stay on the ground and your engine is cut. This is not a perfect combat flight simulator.
Regards Zug <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's always the German planes, isn't it?

tsisqua
12-31-2004, 04:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> This is not a perfect combat flight simulator.
Regards Zug <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't believe that there is, nor will there ever be such a thing. The IL2 code has grown to proportions never dreamed of by Oleg at the very beginning. What IL2/FB/AEP/PF/blablablabla is missing in one area it more than makes up for somewhere else.

I have to agree, Yum Yum, that not being able to shut down one tank, then switch to another is quite annoying. Even more anoying that a fuel leak will drain both tanks. I just keep blasting away anyway, cause so far, IL2 has been the best combat sim experience for me.


Tsisqua

Atomic_Marten
12-31-2004, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>tsisqua:
I have to agree, Yum Yum, that not being able to shut down one tank, then switch to another is quite annoying. Even more anoying that a fuel leak will drain both tanks. I just keep blasting away anyway, cause so far, IL2 has been the best combat sim experience for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this draining problem still present in v3.03? (when one tank is hit, fuel is drained from both?).

I just got hit in one fuel tank (Ki43a) in one recent mission, and I have managed to get home safely (full flight time was around 2hrs, and the 'accident' happened on 40-45min). So I figure Oscar must have separate modelled tanks.

jzg_frederiko
12-31-2004, 08:16 PM
mabey as is true to life, the aircraft are moddled to have all the fuel go to the centre tanks, so its posible that if you were hit in the centre tank, all the fuel went from the wing tanks, to the centre tank, then out the hole i your aircraft

Wilburnator
12-31-2004, 09:20 PM
It means you were hit, and leaking fuel. And using fuel. Until you ran out of... fuel. lol

Cajun76
12-31-2004, 09:59 PM
Don't forget, sometimes when you see fuel stop leaking, it's not because you're out of fuel. Some a/c have self-sealing tanks. P-47's got fixed awhile back. Before that, light MG fire would drain everything you had.

pendragon1984
12-31-2004, 10:04 PM
Yes, getting hit in even one fuel tank will drain the whole of your fuel reserves, but not nearly as quickly as multiple fuel leaks. Usually you can get your machine home on a single fuel leak if you set your engine RPM's to their "economy cruise" rate. Also remember that most of the planes in game have self-sealing tanks, so if your fuel leak stops but your plane is still residing in Hunkey-Doreyville, that's probably why.

While we're talking about fuel tanks, has anyone noticed that a plane can often go on for a long time when they've got a wing tank on fire? I've mostly noticed this on the Betty, where flames are rolling off one or both wings with little to no noticible ill effects to aircraft or crew, and will continue flying like this for an extraorinary amount of time. Usually if a Betty in such a state doesn't make it back home it's because either the fuel runs out (burned up, presumably) or because I've managed to shoot an engine once or twice, as well.

civildog
01-01-2005, 12:16 AM
It is kind of an odd omission for such a detailed sim, though.

Normally in real life you are going to use your reserves first then switch over to main. So there ought to be a valve somewhere, at least that's how it works on the real life planes I've flown.

And if you get a hole in your port tank and the wing tanks are feeding to the center one you'd think you could pump the port tank into the starboard tank to save as much as you can, or at least close the valve to keep it all from pouring out.

Maybe WW2 fighters weren't that sophisticated.

I do wish, though, that you could have the option of at least selecting the level of fuel in the main tanks, and then when you have a belly tank to get you to the fight. Drop the belly tank and now you have a light fuel load to fight with.

Funny story....I was in an He-111 that had it's wing holed by another player's plane crashing nearby trying to vulch me. I was leaking fuel all over and I fired the machinegun in the nose at the ground (where I assumed the puddle and vapors would be) and my plane almost instantly exploded. I wasn't on fire, just leaking tons of fuel.

JG5_UnKle
01-01-2005, 04:26 AM
All the Fw-190 (A series) suffer from this issue. You get one hit (bizzarely in the nose) and a thin stream of brown/grey smoke comes out of the engine with the message "Fuel Leak" - even with 75-100% fuel you will be dry in 4 mins.

Self-sealing tanks? Not in the 190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As there are no tanks in the wings it isn't the issue. Maybe it is simulating a fuel line being cut as it feeds the engine? Rather than a fuel tank hit?

Also if hit in the fuel tank (behind pilot) and you see a thin white vapour trail (with the fuel leak message) then these leaks will stop.

So if you see brown/grey smoke dip the nose and head for friendly territory - you can actually watch the fuel guage go down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Von_Zero
01-01-2005, 04:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
Don't forget, sometimes when you see fuel stop leaking, it's not because you're out of fuel. Some a/c have self-sealing tanks. P-47's got fixed awhile back. Before that, light MG fire would drain everything you had. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll second that, something like this happened to me also during a training with the squad, i was in a 109G2 and got hit by a spit mgs and noticed that after some time thge fuel trail disapeard, but i still runned out of fuel quite soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Taylortony
01-01-2005, 08:06 AM
Hi Yum Yum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

An aircraft does have several fuel tanks and ***** to control them too, but that might not be the problem, you could have a feed line hit or a valve damaged that would negate swopping tanks.......... On the likes of the spit the tank is located behind the engine so a leak would drain the system, only a few spits carried wing tanks.
Another problem is sucking air, you could find a wing although holed will continue to feed to the engine as will the opposite wing, but you would start to feel an imbalance in the aircraft due to the weight shift as the fuel leaks out, once that wing is empty if the selector is open, even if it feeds from both tanks it will draw airfrom the empty one and kill the engine, or as in the case of real aircraft it will balance out the wings so as one drains fuel, fuel will transfer across by gravity and result in a total loss.
Bombers used to burn the fuel left in the holed tank until almost exhausted the change over and isolate the holed tank.

I once read of a true story of a spitfire over the coast of Italy from Malta when it came time to drop his belly tank it did not release clean, the belly tank valve stuck partially open and drew air in killing the engine, faced with a unique problem the pilot came up with an even more unique soloution, using the KI Gas hand primer he managed to get the windmilling engine to produce enough short bursts of power to recover back to base in Malta, no doubt he had wrist muscles like Popeye by the time he maid it home, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG5_UnKle
01-01-2005, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:
I once read of a true story of a spitfire over the coast of Italy from Malta when it came time to drop his belly tank it did not release clean, the belly tank valve stuck partially open and drew air in killing the engine, faced with a unique problem the pilot came up with an even more unique soloution, using the KI Gas hand primer he managed to get the windmilling engine to produce enough short bursts of power to recover back to base in Malta, no doubt he had wrist muscles like Popeye by the time he maid it home, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy **** - what a guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Taylortony
01-01-2005, 08:55 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif here is an example taken from the Forth Fighter groups pages..... flew his Mustang for 2 1/2 hours without the canopy on the priming pump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


August 6, 1944 - On this day the Group went roaming for targets and got 2 in the air and 3 on the ground. After getting a Me-410, John Godfrey was hit by flak which crippled his fuel system. He jettisoned his canopy and got ready to jump when Fred Glover talked him into using his hand-pump primer to keep the airplane up. After 2-1/2 hours and a bloody primer hand, Godfrey landed at Beccles, Norfolk.


www.fourthfightergroup.com/resource/tidbits.html (http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/resource/tidbits.html)

tsisqua
01-01-2005, 10:20 AM
Yikes . . . Setting up for the landing while pumping that primer must have been . . . well. hairaising, to say the least!


Tsisqua

Yum_Yum
01-01-2005, 03:26 PM
Thank you for all the helpful and very informative information http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I knew I should have asked you first Taylortony http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That's too technical for me !!!.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gifI think I understand that some planes have been fixed with this problem .. but the Focke Wulf is not some of them ..and I shouldn't expect it to be fixed soon ?.