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ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-13-2007, 04:45 PM
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Think it would be OK for BoB?

How much would you expect to pay for this rig...

AMD ATHLON? 64 X2 5000+ (2.6GHz) 2 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2)
Memory (RAM)
1024 MB CORSAIR DDR2 667MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x512MB)
Motherboard
ASUS M2V-MX: DUAL DDR II, SATA, x16 slot, 2 PCI ETC
Operating System
MICROSOFT WINDOWS® XP PRO (inc. Genuine CD & license) (£95)
Vista Upgrade
Free Upgrade to Vista Business with purchase of Windows XP Pro
USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
320GB SERIAL ATA HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7200rpm)
2nd Hard Disk
160GB SERIAL ATA HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7200rpm)
RAID (HDD 1 & 2)
NONE
1st CD/DVD Drive
18x +/- DVD WRITER (8x +/- Dual Lyr) (5x DVD-RAM) (40x CD-RW) (£18)
2nd CD/DVD Drive
NONE
Graphics Card
256MB GEFORCE 7600GS PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT
2nd Graphics Card
NONE
Sound Card
INTEGRATED 6 CHANNEL (5.1) AUDIO
Modem
NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND
Network Facilities
ONBOARD 10/100 LAN PORT (ETHERNET) AS STANDARD
Floppy Disk Drive
1.44MB - 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive
Memory Card Reader
NONE
Case
Silver Neon Bubble case + front USB & front Lights
Power Supply & cooling
500W (Peak) Quiet Dual Rail PSU incl Case Fan & CPU Cooler (£39)
Firewire & Video Editing
3 PORT FIREWIRE (IEEE1394) PCI CARD (£9)

Does £759 inc VAT and Delivery sound expensive?

ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-13-2007, 04:45 PM
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Think it would be OK for BoB?

How much would you expect to pay for this rig...

AMD ATHLON? 64 X2 5000+ (2.6GHz) 2 x 512K L2 Cache (Socket AM2)
Memory (RAM)
1024 MB CORSAIR DDR2 667MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x512MB)
Motherboard
ASUS M2V-MX: DUAL DDR II, SATA, x16 slot, 2 PCI ETC
Operating System
MICROSOFT WINDOWS® XP PRO (inc. Genuine CD & license) (£95)
Vista Upgrade
Free Upgrade to Vista Business with purchase of Windows XP Pro
USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
320GB SERIAL ATA HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7200rpm)
2nd Hard Disk
160GB SERIAL ATA HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7200rpm)
RAID (HDD 1 & 2)
NONE
1st CD/DVD Drive
18x +/- DVD WRITER (8x +/- Dual Lyr) (5x DVD-RAM) (40x CD-RW) (£18)
2nd CD/DVD Drive
NONE
Graphics Card
256MB GEFORCE 7600GS PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT
2nd Graphics Card
NONE
Sound Card
INTEGRATED 6 CHANNEL (5.1) AUDIO
Modem
NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND
Network Facilities
ONBOARD 10/100 LAN PORT (ETHERNET) AS STANDARD
Floppy Disk Drive
1.44MB - 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive
Memory Card Reader
NONE
Case
Silver Neon Bubble case + front USB & front Lights
Power Supply & cooling
500W (Peak) Quiet Dual Rail PSU incl Case Fan & CPU Cooler (£39)
Firewire & Video Editing
3 PORT FIREWIRE (IEEE1394) PCI CARD (£9)

Does £759 inc VAT and Delivery sound expensive?

FritzGryphon
01-13-2007, 07:32 PM
I don't know what that converts to, but if you're buying the PC ready-made, it probably does cost too much.

Only 1GB ram?

Deedsundone
01-14-2007, 12:40 AM
I don´t think it so expencive,about 10500 Swedish kronor.My rig ,wich I intend to build myself cost about £1090,though it´s about £360 cheaper than the Dell I was looking on (XPS 710),and probably works equally well or if not better.Here´s my specs.It´s not the cheapest items nor the most expencive one either.One question :Is a floppy drive necessary these days?
Don´t know about if it will handle SOW well though.

Aerocool ExtremEngine 3T, silver

PowerColor Radeon X1950PRO 256MB GDDR3

Scythe S-FLEX Chassifläkt 120mm 8.7dBA

INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6600 2.4GHZ 4MB 1066MHZ S-775

Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi XtremeMusic

CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB)

ASUS P5B DELUXE P965 SKT-775 ATX

SAMSUNG SPINPOINT 400GB SATA/300 7200RPM 16MB

Corsair Powersupply 620W, 120mm Fan, 8xSATA,

SONY DISKETTSTATION 3.5, 1.44MB SVART

SAMSUNG DVD-ROM 16X48X INTERN IDE BULK SVART

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (inkl. SP2)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ploughman
01-14-2007, 02:53 AM
I'd get more RAM.

I don't know about that cpu but the core duo 6600 offer's value for money at the moment and can be overclocked from it's 2.6mhz vanilla up to almost 4.0mhz (if I remember rightly). Not sure about the GPUs, can't you get a 7900 now the 8800s are out?

I've been thinking about building my own but I recently discovered I could get a system with a three year warranty for less than it would cost me to buy the components. I might still self build, just for the hell of it, but mine won't come with a 3 year warranty. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


Dum spiro, spero

ytareh
01-14-2007, 03:13 AM
First and foremost any pc purchase for long term use simply MUST be an Intel Core 2 Duo if you want the best bang per buck ( or simply the best bang!).I am typing this on an AMD 64 (Opteron 146@2.8)system and while many enthusiasts are still using their 'old' AMD pcs you can bet my/their next purchase will be an Intel Core 2 Duo .
Overall the pc specs you list seem just ok....probably play THIS game nicely but I dont know about BOB on anything other than low(med) settings
(Of course people say that I cant play this or that new game on my pc but most games and especially this one have scalable settings-at 640x480/16 with all eye candy turned off you could probably play this game on just about any pc)
Of course most guys here will encourage you to build your own pc.Its really not that hard but ,yes ,it can be a bit stressful if and when things go wrong (rarely irreversibly)
Certainly you should buy your own parts and the labour to build it up is certainly cheaper than you might think -medium-ish double figures in most currencies....
The graphics card you list isnt THAT great really and 2 gigs of RAM is probably the way forward in future and you really should have a separate sound card and not integrated sound.
Id think twice....

CD_kp84yb
01-14-2007, 03:17 AM
For BOB??

Wait till next year and the same pc with the same specs will probly cost less than half of what it cost now.

Hardware is getting faster and cheaper, BUT it will only get cheaper after you have purchased it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Codex1971
01-14-2007, 04:12 AM
Your system is fine for IL-2 1946, and is good for upgrade when BOB comes out. But for right now the only thing I get is more RAM, at least 2GB and see if you can get 16MB cache HDD's.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Codex1971
01-14-2007, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sound Card
INTEGRATED 6 CHANNEL (5.1) AUDIO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh and one other thing, get a dedicated sound card, something that has its own sound processor like Audigy 2, 4 or XF-i.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Codex1971
01-14-2007, 04:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Codex1971:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sound Card
INTEGRATED 6 CHANNEL (5.1) AUDIO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh and one other thing, get a dedicated sound card, something that has its own sound processor like Audigy 2, 4 or XF-i. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually scratch the Audigy cards all together, waste of $$$ now. If you plan to go to VISTA the Audigy cards wont be able to process EAX anymore as M$ has scrapped support for SB Live and Audigy cards in VISTA. They will only support XF-i and above in VISTA.

You can get the Audigy cards to run but there is a bit of mucking around to do.

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?b...Vista&message.id=427 (http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&message.id=427)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Choctaw111
01-14-2007, 05:45 AM
I briefly looked down your list and saw some things that you may want to consider. Your 1GB of RAM will probably not be sufficient. Also your 7600GS is a dated video card. There are now cards that are 3 generations better than that. I have a 7800GS and find that to be good for running IL2 but I can't see it running BoB well at all. If I were you I would just be patient and wait till BoB is released and THEN get a new system after we all find out what will work best with it. I can understand all the excitement surrounding getting a new system for BoB but getting one now with BoB being nearly a year away is just not good sense. I will wait for BoB and then get a processor and a whole bunch of other hardware that isn't even available now but will be at the time of its release.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Alienware P4 3.2 EE
2 Gigs RAM
Intel D875PBZ MoBo
GeForce 7800 GS
CH Fighterstick, ProThrottle, ProPedals
TrackIR3 w/ 6DOF

JFC_Rautaristi
01-14-2007, 06:01 AM
I just updated my computer to Core 2 Duo E6400, and i can tell you the processor rocks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif Go for Core 2 Duo, they're muchmuchmuchmuch cheaper when compared to AMD equivalent.

1Gbram is enough for now, but it will be too little quite soon i reckon.

Main problem: That 7600GS is not gonna be worth nothing! Having such a powerfull processor means nothing (in games) if you have so badly outdated card. And i'm not making it up, i'm running a 7600GS with my Core 2 Duo right now. I've already ordered X1950pro, that should do the trick.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-14-2007, 06:25 AM
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Thanks for the info... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm afraid I've not kept up with whats best to get, and was a bit supprised to find it only really 'just ok' Heres me thinking it was the 'Dogs Boll#cks' Hmmmm... I was penny pinching and would have eventually got another Gig or two of ram though... The same goes for the 7600GS...

One thing, is it worth having the OS on a separate drive and putting or your data on another?

And how many think Raid is justified...

How about this setup...

INTEL® Core 2 Duo E6400 (2 X 2.13GHz) 1066MHz FSB/2MB L2 Cach

2048 MB CORSAIR DDR2 667MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x1GB)

ASUS® P5LD2 SE/C: DUAL DDR2, S-ATA, x16 VGA, 3 PCI/3 PCI-E

MICROSOFT WINDOWS® XP PRO (inc. Genuine CD & license) (£95)

6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

400GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7200rpm)

18x +/- DVD WRITER (8x +/- Dual Lyr) (5x DVD-RAM) (40x CD-RW) (£18)

256MB RADEON X1950XT PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

Sound Blaster® X-Fi? Xtreme Audio 7.1: £31

INTERNAL 57 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD FORMAT)

Stylish Silver Aluminium Trigon Case + 2 Front/Side USB

600W Quiet Quad Rail PSU incl Case Fan & CPU Cooler (£69)

£985 inc VAT and Delivery<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JFC_Rautaristi
01-14-2007, 07:55 AM
AS far as i can see, that rig's well balanced. And one of the most powerfull ones i might add...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
01-14-2007, 12:34 PM
Thats a great system...The 6400 is a great overclocker. If you want to get the most out of the processor make sure that the Motherboard has the options required to overclock the cpu. The only other thing that you may consider is DDR2-800 memory over the DDR2-667.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-14-2007, 02:40 PM
I always been an AMD guy but just recently I went with Intels Core 2 Duo after countless reviews I have read. At this moment AMD's latest and greatest are getting crushed by Intel's new beast. You can pick up an Intel Core2Duo 6400 and easily overclock it from its default speed of 2.13GHZ to over 3GHZ on standard coolings. These things really do rock and you can research for yourself. Im no fan boy for I have owned them all Nvidia, ATI, Intel, and AMD. I go bang for buck everytime. At this point the winners in that catagory is Intel and Nvidia.

Live in the US? Do your shopping at www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com) and you wont be dissapointed.

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Codex1971
01-14-2007, 04:25 PM
Here is a great overclocing mother board, very stable!

Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6

Features might be dated, still has parallel port http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif, but it has 12 phase power, solid state capacitors which keeps things stable and cool and it OC's like a banshee on heat.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Choctaw111
01-14-2007, 05:35 PM
Your second set of system specs sound much better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif 2 Gigs of RAM should be a minimum! Windows Vista will allow for programs to use more than 2 Gigs when it comes out. I would go for 4 Gigs personally (with Vista). You should get as much RAM as you can afford. As far as having your operating system and your data on separate drives is a VERY GOOD IDEA!!! If Windows goes down and you have to reformat your HD and reinstall all of your data will be safe on the other drive. I have done it this way for several years and have the piece of mind knowing that no matter what happens my data will not be compromised.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Alienware P4 3.2 EE
2 Gigs RAM
Intel D875PBZ MoBo
GeForce 7800 GS
CH Fighterstick, ProThrottle, ProPedals
TrackIR3 w/ 6DOF

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-14-2007, 06:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Your second set of system specs sound much better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif 2 Gigs of RAM should be a minimum! Windows Vista will allow for programs to use more than 2 Gigs when it comes out. I would go for 4 Gigs personally (with Vista). You should get as much RAM as you can afford. As far as having your operating system and your data on separate drives is a VERY GOOD IDEA!!! If Windows goes down and you have to reformat your HD and reinstall all of your data will be safe on the other drive. I have done it this way for several years and have the piece of mind knowing that no matter what happens my data will not be compromised. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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One13
01-15-2007, 05:52 AM
Archie,
Those spec sheets you posted look suspiciously like they come from PCspecialist.co.uk..
I bought a computer from them and did not have a good time. The spec and price may look good but they cut corners in other components. Two of their power supplys failed and the CPU cooler they fitted was a cheap one.
I had a couple of other problems as well and found the support they gave as less than helpful.
At one point I was considering sueing them through the small claims court.
The next computer I buy i will either spend more with a more reliable supplier or build it myself.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
01-16-2007, 04:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thanks for the info... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm afraid I've not kept up with whats best to get, and was a bit supprised to find it only really 'just ok' Heres me thinking it was the 'Dogs Boll#cks' Hmmmm... I was penny pinching and would have eventually got another Gig or two of ram though... The same goes for the 7600GS...

One thing, is it worth having the OS on a separate drive and putting or your data on another?

And how many think Raid is justified...

How about this setup...

INTEL® Core 2 Duo E6400 (2 X 2.13GHz) 1066MHz FSB/2MB L2 Cach

2048 MB CORSAIR DDR2 667MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x1GB)

ASUS® P5LD2 SE/C: DUAL DDR2, S-ATA, x16 VGA, 3 PCI/3 PCI-E

MICROSOFT WINDOWS® XP PRO (inc. Genuine CD & license) (£95)

6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

400GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7200rpm)

18x +/- DVD WRITER (8x +/- Dual Lyr) (5x DVD-RAM) (40x CD-RW) (£18)

256MB RADEON X1950XT PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

Sound Blaster® X-Fi? Xtreme Audio 7.1: £31

INTERNAL 57 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD FORMAT)

Stylish Silver Aluminium Trigon Case + 2 Front/Side USB

600W Quiet Quad Rail PSU incl Case Fan & CPU Cooler (£69)

£985 inc VAT and Delivery </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats the better one of the two.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Cheers!!

ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-16-2007, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by One13:
Archie,
Those spec sheets you posted look suspiciously like they come from PCspecialist.co.uk..
I bought a computer from them and did not have a good time. The spec and price may look good but they cut corners in other components. Two of their power supplys failed and the CPU cooler they fitted was a cheap one.
I had a couple of other problems as well and found the support they gave as less than helpful.
At one point I was considering sueing them through the small claims court.
The next computer I buy i will either spend more with a more reliable supplier or build it myself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh dear... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Bugger, I thought it was too good to be true... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Ah well looks like I'll be building one for myself again... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Thanks for letting me know that One13, I was wondering what corners were being cut to get those sort of prices... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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