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ashley2005
09-26-2005, 05:29 PM
this past week ive had insane stuttering in game ... i nearly resulted in a whole hard drive wipe ..but then my bro told me to defrag witch i hadent done in a while ..after the defrag the game runs perfectly 100% smooth again ... if anyone has a problem like slow game try a de frag and see what happens http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ashley2005
09-26-2005, 05:29 PM
this past week ive had insane stuttering in game ... i nearly resulted in a whole hard drive wipe ..but then my bro told me to defrag witch i hadent done in a while ..after the defrag the game runs perfectly 100% smooth again ... if anyone has a problem like slow game try a de frag and see what happens http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Grey_Mouser67
09-26-2005, 06:56 PM
Last time I defraged...my hard drive went kaput! I'm a little gunshy now...what is the liklihood that those two events were related?

LEXX_Luthor
09-26-2005, 07:08 PM
Defragg once a week to once a month, I bet the Defrag time (and hard drive stress) is something like exponentially related to the amount of fragged data you have....let the fragged data get "large" and you must do "Extra Super Large" defragging. I Defrag before any software installation.

x6BL_Brando
09-26-2005, 07:14 PM
A regular defrag....frequency once a week or a fortnight is a worthwhile ten-minuteish sort of job using Windows defrag. The longer you leave it the longer it takes, and a 'heavy' defrag will work the drive(s) pretty hard.

Grey_maybe your H/D was on the way out anyway. Did it die as hardware or was it a Windows prob?

Thanks for posting this useful reminder Ash. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p1ngu666
09-26-2005, 07:42 PM
a heavy defrag could cook the drives, espicaly if they have no cooling and are stacked up.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

ashley2005
09-26-2005, 07:46 PM
i havent the slightest clue what a de frag actually does to be honest ...anyone care to enlighten me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

jarink
09-26-2005, 08:22 PM
I do PC/network support for a living, so you can trust me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Here's my suggestions for routine Windows maintenance:

1) Run the Disk Cleanup Wizard at least daily (I have it set up with presets in a logoff script; if you want details on how to do this, PM me.)
2) Always run CheckDisk/ScanDisk before Defrag. This minimizes the chance of Defrag moving data onto bad clusters, possibly causing data loss.
3) Run CheckDisk/Defrag at least weekly. Defrag whether Windows says you need it or not.
4) Run a full Antivirus scan at least weekly. Get a couple of good Antispyware programs and scan with them, too. I say 'couple' since no one AS program ever seems to find everything.

Defragging your hard drive is the process where Windows attempts to reorganize files into contiguous sections of the drive. Since the read/write heads don't have to jump all over the drive to read or write to a file, opening, closing and saving files is speeded up.

Feathered_IV
09-26-2005, 09:53 PM
I had similar problems a couple of weeks ago. I defragged for the first time in ages (took 6 hours!)then dumped heaps of stuff off my HD and did it again.

Now I have a 20% increase in frames and defrag at least once a week. I'm converted! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ashley2005
09-26-2005, 10:13 PM
jarink if youve got msn can you pm me your address ...for some reason i cant pm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Waldo.Pepper
09-26-2005, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...for some reason i cant pm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

pms?

ashley2005
09-27-2005, 01:00 PM
ye private messege for some reason when i click the button for it it never loads up a page to messege someone o_O

codeseven7
09-27-2005, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jarink:
I do PC/network support for a living, so you can trust me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Here's my suggestions for routine Windows maintenance:

1) Run the Disk Cleanup Wizard at least daily (I have it set up with presets in a logoff script; if you want details on how to do this, PM me.)
2) Always run CheckDisk/ScanDisk before Defrag. This minimizes the chance of Defrag moving data onto bad clusters, possibly causing data loss.
3) Run CheckDisk/Defrag at least weekly. Defrag whether Windows says you need it or not.
4) Run a full Antivirus scan at least weekly. Get a couple of good Antispyware programs and scan with them, too. I say 'couple' since no one AS program ever seems to find everything.

Defragging your hard drive is the process where Windows attempts to reorganize files into contiguous sections of the drive. Since the read/write heads don't have to jump all over the drive to read or write to a file, opening, closing and saving files is speeded up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What Defrag program do you use?

Stackhouse25th
09-27-2005, 01:30 PM
Luv ya ash ash :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Thx 4 the hard drive support - neva coulda dun it w/out u.

Flying_Nutcase
09-27-2005, 05:39 PM
I'm glad this thread popped up. I'd been having stutters, but after a good defragging it's working just fine.

Cheers ash.

Kuna15
09-27-2005, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ashley2005:
jarink if youve got msn can you pm me your address ...for some reason i cant pm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We can not PM users directly we must first add them to our buddy list then we can select to create new PM and invite them (from buddy list) to our PM. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jarink
09-27-2005, 09:18 PM
I meant the PM funtion here on the fourm. Since there seems to be a lot of interest in it, I'll post it here in the thread.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">I have only tried this with Windows 2000 and XP. I don't know if it will work in Win98/ME.</span>

Create a new text file and name it "Cleanup.vbs" Place it wherever; Mine's in "C:\Windows\scripts" that I created to hold all my junk.
Paste everything between the lines into this file and save it.
-----------------
On Error Resume Next

Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
WSHShell.Run "%windir%\system32\cleanmgr.exe /sagerun:1", 0, True
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Create a new text file and name it "Cleanup.reg" and place it wherever.
Paste everything between the lines into this file and save it.
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Compress old files]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Active Setup Temp Folders]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000002

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Content Indexer Cleaner]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Downloaded Program Files]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000002

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Internet Cache Files]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000002

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Offline Files]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000002

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Old ChkDsk Files]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000002

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Temporary Files]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000002

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches\Temporary Offline Files]
"StateFlags0001"=dword:00000002


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Now double-click this file to run it and enter the values into the registry. This creates the presets for Disk Cleanup to use. You can also do it by Clicking Start, Run and entering "cleanmgr /sageset:1", then choosing what you want cleaned up. (you can use any number up to 999; the number is used in the script when it calls 'sagerun')

The first line removes the registry key for "Compress Old Files" if your hard drive is formatted NTFS. This will greatly decrease the time it takes to run Disk Cleanup!

I run this as a logoff script. I shut down, walk away, it runs, and the PC powers off. If you're not familiar with using Group Policies, I'd recommend just putting a link to the "cleanup.vbs" file in your startup folder (you can also call it from Scheduled Tasks if you leave your PC on all the time). One thing that's important to note is that if you have multiple users on your PC, this will clean up temp files only for the logged-in user.

By the way, if you have XP, you can run Defrag in command-line mode via Scheduled Tasks, too.

scottmal1
09-28-2005, 04:15 AM
i use 'diskeeper lite' program, it came on a 'pc pro' magazine cover disk, its fast and does a good job, i defrag when it tells me i need to.

Texas LongHorn
09-29-2005, 06:38 AM
I hate to tell you this guys, on a modern machine running XP Pro it's all in your mind. Pro doesn't require or need defragging. It might make you sleep better at night but certainly is not used often. In older machines it might help a bit, but modern gear running SATA drives it's pretty much a waste of time. Just my two cents from the guy who helped write the code for Pro in the first place &lt;ggg.&gt; All the best, LongHorn

Feathered_IV
09-30-2005, 10:55 AM
Longhorn, what does "&lt;ggg.&gt;" mean?
It's been bugging me for ages. I always imagine you grinding your teeth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

jarink
09-30-2005, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texas LongHorn:
I hate to tell you this guys, on a modern machine running XP Pro it's all in your mind. Pro doesn't require or need defragging. It might make you sleep better at night but certainly is not used often. In older machines it might help a bit, but modern gear running SATA drives it's pretty much a waste of time. Just my two cents from the guy who helped write the code for Pro in the first place &lt;ggg.&gt; All the best, LongHorn </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhh, then why did MS include the defrag program in XP? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Maybe this is why:
"Although FAT and NTFS are designed to make storage faster and more efficient when you save files, these file systems take longer to read and write fragmented files than unfragmented files. When the files on a disk become badly fragmented, performance noticeably suffers because the disk heads must move to different tracks on the disk to locate all the clusters of the file."
From Maintenance and Troubleshooting Tools (http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkd_tro_hgle.asp) in the XP Professional Resource Kit pages (Click on "Disk Defragmenter" in the tree on the left of the page)

Masking a problem (file fragmentation) with faster hardware does not solve the problem, it just makes it less bothersome. It also has the side effect of making software designers more lazy in their expectations of writing 'tight' code. Anyway, not everyone here has the latest and greatest hardware (SATA with Native Command Queueing), let alone XP Pro.

polak5
10-01-2005, 12:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
a heavy defrag could cook the drives, espicaly if they have no cooling and are stacked up.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i have heard of this also...I was told once a month is ok...but every 2 months will expand ur hardrive life