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F19_Ob
10-19-2006, 07:52 AM
Since we already have the p40 in chinese markings (AVG = american volunteer group).

Will we also get chinese markings on the I-153 and I-16 and Gladiator, hawk75 and the other planes we have in the sim that flew for China aswell?
Sb and Db3 bombers, c47's to mention a few.

Thanks



I tested to do a chinese chaika skin, and the chinese roundels and stripes on rudder really look good on it (the Chinese got 94 Polikarpov I-153's) .
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F19_Ob
10-19-2006, 07:52 AM
Since we already have the p40 in chinese markings (AVG = american volunteer group).

Will we also get chinese markings on the I-153 and I-16 and Gladiator, hawk75 and the other planes we have in the sim that flew for China aswell?
Sb and Db3 bombers, c47's to mention a few.

Thanks



I tested to do a chinese chaika skin, and the chinese roundels and stripes on rudder really look good on it (the Chinese got 94 Polikarpov I-153's) .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/f19_ob/chinese%20I-153/0.jpg <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/f19_ob/ob_ver2.jpg

JG53Frankyboy
10-19-2006, 09:02 AM
actually i doubt that on the part of Manchuria we will get with this map was much aircombat between japanese and chinese , if at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

F19_Ob
10-19-2006, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
actually i doubt that on the part of Manchuria we will get with this map was much aircombat between japanese and chinese , if at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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What U mean m8?
Isn't it the part closest to Japan?

We got Chinese marked AVG p40's, so wich part of Manchuria it was surely can't matter?

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F19_Ob
10-19-2006, 10:38 AM
I read up a bit on the theatres.
So we get only the Russians battle in Manchuria?

Since We already Got the AVG american/Chinese skin for the P40, why not just add chinese markings as an option? That way we automatically get chinese battles
for I-153, I-16 and Gladiator as an option aswell. Atleast for online it would be good.
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actionhank1786
10-19-2006, 02:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
I read up a bit on the theatres.
So we get only the Russians battle in Manchuria?

Since We already Got the AVG american/Chinese skin for the P40, why not just add chinese markings as an option? That way we automatically get chinese battles
for I-153, I-16 and Gladiator as an option aswell. Atleast for online it would be good.
3 more planes and a nation to fly for in one bang. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the MAT manager software has Chinese Markings available at a setting.
I'm not 100% sure though.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG53Frankyboy
10-19-2006, 03:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
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What U mean m8?
Isn't it the part closest to Japan?

We got Chinese marked AVG p40's, so wich part of Manchuria it was surely can't matter?

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well, the Manchuria map will be around Wladiwostok. the whole map was in Japanese and soviet hands- at least for the timeperiod we have planes for.
the whole Chinese-japanese fighting was more in central and south china............

the P-40 with AVG markings can be used on the Burma map, even if this is also not typical for the AVG - because the map is more a India-Burma border map.

anyway, im looking forward to the fights between the Polikarpov Fighters (VVS) and the Ki-27s , supported by AI SB2 and Ki-21-I, on the Nomonhan map (even this map will be one of the smallest maps of the whole game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

Chuck_Older
10-19-2006, 03:26 PM
I really doubt the 'White Sun and Blue Sky' will be an option for markings, and here's why:

The Chinese markings are available on exactly one plane: the H81A-2. The plane is, in the sim, as far as I can tell precisely identical to the P-40B, right wrong or indifferent, it's modelling isn't my point

My point is that China is not a nationality that is do-able in the sim. if you notice, to make an H81A-2 have Chinese markings, you must select "USA" as the nationality. It seems to me that the H81A-2 uses a work-around to acheive these markings, and to do a similar thing for other planes, we'd need duplicate aircraft that use the White Sun and Blue Sky Chinese roundel as a substitute for the 'correct' national markings

F19_Ob
10-19-2006, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I really doubt the 'White Sun and Blue Sky' will be an option for markings, and here's why:

The Chinese markings are available on exactly one plane: the H81A-2. The plane is, in the sim, as far as I can tell precisely identical to the P-40B, right wrong or indifferent, it's modelling isn't my point

My point is that China is not a nationality that is do-able in the sim. if you notice, to make an H81A-2 have Chinese markings, you must select "USA" as the nationality. It seems to me that the H81A-2 uses a work-around to acheive these markings, and to do a similar thing for other planes, we'd need duplicate aircraft that use the White Sun and Blue Sky Chinese roundel as a substitute for the 'correct' national markings </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank U Chuck!!
M8, U know U presented the solution yourself.

Just use the same workaround for the I-153, I-16 and Gladiator, So every time one chooses one of these planes and use american markings they get Chinese roundels.
Problem solved. exellent. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I remember reading that americans there tested these planes so it will work historically, if an excuse is needed to implement the roundels.
So all along it was just a tecnicality.

This day ended good after all. Thanks again m8
U actually gave us a new nation to fly for, and we got 4 flyables for China. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ElAurens
10-19-2006, 06:05 PM
I have Chinese skins for all these aircraft already, of course this is a work-around as well.

Mat Manager is not even an option as it does not work online. Only the user of the Manager can see the markings, everyone else just sees the default.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
10-19-2006, 06:31 PM
Seems like adding a "red" team China (no squadrons, just generic) would be not too hard. Odd that they wouldn't do it.

Maybe the PRC would be bugged with default Nationalist Chinese markings instead of commie ones?

tater

F19_Ob
10-20-2006, 05:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Seems like adding a "red" team China (no squadrons, just generic) would be not too hard. Odd that they wouldn't do it.

Maybe the PRC would be bugged with default Nationalist Chinese markings instead of commie ones?

tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


"Odd that they wouldn't do it."
Well they propbably hadn't thought of the idea yet. They're rather overloaded with work and deadlines I guess.

The best solutions often are simple and also often a matter of technicalities, a way o re-frasing something.
Their workaround for the AVG p40 is an excellent example of a solution to such So we got a plane in Chinese markings but under american flag.
If they used the workaround once for the AVG p40, it's ofcourse doable for other planes aswell. Whithout adding China to the countries list
It's a soulution wich may bring 4 flyables for china for free, and no need of making new planes.
Quite a big addition if they implement it in the Manchuria add-on I'd say.

Would be interesting to hear the dev-teams opinion of the idea.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Philipscdrw
10-20-2006, 06:50 AM
It's easy to underestimate the amount of hard work that goes into a 'simple' upgrade like adding new nationalities, I think. It's probably not as straightforward as it would seem to be!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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csThor
10-20-2006, 07:08 AM
They have thought about it, but todays China is as asinine about the representation of National China in any game as a country can be. Oleg said a while back that they could not sell the Il-2 line in China if there was a playable nation with the national chinese markings. As long as the AVG remains under the USA country things are fine (sorta). If they added National China as nation the game would be prohibited and it could be confiscated pretty much everywhere in China.

Weird, but that's what I remember about Oleg's answer.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
10-20-2006, 07:22 AM
The Chinese BUY software? I guess all that stuff they sold over there cheap really were piles of Rolexes and North Face jackets... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Um, add Nationalist China, and turn it off like the Swastika. Or Add the pre-PRC commie markings as a country, and have the Nationalists as a "hidden" country you have to turn on in the config.

tater

csThor
10-20-2006, 07:33 AM
Sorry, tater, but now you're drifting off into the realms of dreams http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chuck_Older
10-20-2006, 09:47 AM
That's too bad... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif But I can still get the correct skins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Macwan
10-27-2006, 01:31 PM
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10-27-2006, 11:41 PM
macwan those paints are sweet.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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zbw_109
10-28-2006, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
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10-28-2006, 05:18 AM
Those are AO-10. 10 kg general purpose bombs.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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samba_liten
10-28-2006, 07:42 AM
PRC is allready upset with the game because you can fly Japanese planes. I bought a copy here, and found the whole axis side of the game removed. Only allied planes flyable...

ElAurens
10-28-2006, 09:40 AM
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Really?

Then I say put the Nationalist Markings in ASAP.
Any nation that denies history in such a manner deserves to have it stuck right in their eye.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Philipscdrw
10-30-2006, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
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Really?

Then I say put the Nationalist Markings in ASAP.
Any nation that denies history in such a manner deserves to have it stuck right in their eye. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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