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crazyivan1970
06-16-2005, 09:41 AM
Officially confirmed.

SBD torque correction
FW fuel consuption problem.

That`s it.

crazyivan1970
06-16-2005, 09:41 AM
Officially confirmed.

SBD torque correction
FW fuel consuption problem.

That`s it.

Monson74
06-16-2005, 09:44 AM
ok.

ZG77_Nagual
06-16-2005, 09:45 AM
LOL!

That had to feel good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

JG54_Arnie
06-16-2005, 09:48 AM
And thus the hysteria ends... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

or it should anyways. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

AWL_Frog
06-16-2005, 10:00 AM
LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Priceless!

That should give some of the "experts" here something to think about!

Won't happen, of course...

Beckh_3.JG51
06-16-2005, 10:11 AM
I think that is not it. 4.01 take offs are much easier now. In 4.0 you had to actualy prepare for take off to make a nice one, like align with the runway, lock tail wheel, trim take off position and advance power smoothly. In 4.01 you can just shove it full throttle right from the parking area, and you all set. Yes torque is still present, but much more forgiving.

crazyivan1970
06-16-2005, 10:13 AM
Guys guys... as i said, make a separate copy of 4.0 and compare the two. It`s that simple http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaNorris
06-16-2005, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Guys guys... as i said, make a separate copy of 4.0 and compare the two. It`s that simple http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Already have, well not 400m and 401m with *something slightly before 400, slightly after 30m* and 400m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tallyho1961
06-16-2005, 10:22 AM
I'd finally gotten to the point where I was enjoying the hysteria, and now this happens.

SeaFireLIV
06-16-2005, 10:55 AM
So it was mass hysteria...

I guess this forum is a reflection of the weirdness of Mankind in micro.

Tallyho1961
06-16-2005, 11:13 AM
That, or Mankind is a reflection of the weirdness of this forum in macro.

anarchy52
06-16-2005, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
So it was mass hysteria...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You mean the same as histeria when some hysterical memebers of this community claimed that nose mounted MG151 and gunpod MG151 are not the same gun in game? Then Oleg said it's impossible...

JG54_Arnie
06-16-2005, 11:28 AM
Geez, talk about a nonsense post. Thats a straight out stupid thing to say Anarchy..

EDIT: as in 100% false.

Grey_Mouser67
06-16-2005, 11:32 AM
I wonder if there is a patching sequence issue...I was asked last night if i thought 4.1 was any different than 4.0...seemed the same to me.

Torque is great! Long live Torque!

Yaw oscillations are a bummer! Down with the yaw oscillations!

IHI.OuTcAsT
06-16-2005, 12:01 PM
placebo owns

WWMaxGunz
06-16-2005, 12:28 PM
SBD torque correction?

SBD as in the dive bomber, yah?

Fliegeroffizier
06-16-2005, 12:31 PM
Perhaps it is merely a matter of communication?? (http://members.cox.net/wasaf2000/falur2CommLong.wav)

GH_Klingstroem
06-16-2005, 12:31 PM
sure thats what they say but we can all feel that torque has been decreased no matter what they say!

thx for the fule fix on the 190 btw!!! Great patches!!!!

JG53Frankyboy
06-16-2005, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Guys guys... as i said, make a separate copy of 4.0 and compare the two. It`s that simple http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

than compare the ammo load of the Buffalo MkI in 4.0 and 4.01 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

so far .................................

Jaws2002
06-16-2005, 12:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
Perhaps it is merely a matter of communication?? (http://members.cox.net/wasaf2000/falur2CommLong.wav) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Guns N' Roses - Civil War.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Tater-SW-
06-16-2005, 01:01 PM
Too bad they haven't deleted the SBD's 500lbers on the wings and replaced them with 100s, that's a bigger issue than torque for the SBD.

tater

anarchy52
06-16-2005, 01:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Geez, talk about a nonsense post. Thats a straight out stupid thing to say Anarchy..

EDIT: as in 100% false. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanx for the kind words Arnie. Now check Oleg's initial answer to MG151/20 thread. I'll help you:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/2111099562/p/3
Later Oleg found out that there was an "error" (sort of) in code.

What I'm saying is - FB is very complex piece of software. And it's quite possible that changing one thing can lead to unintended consequences. My intention was not to offend the developers.

Blackdog5555
06-16-2005, 01:16 PM
that is interesting...I though for sure the balance and weight of the F6F changed. funny how subjective perception works. Cheers

DuxCorvan
06-16-2005, 05:01 PM
Ah, that was. Thank you, Ivan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tvrdi
06-16-2005, 05:19 PM
So, Ivan we are all hysteric idiots? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif haha Im sure that overall FM is changed...and yes i did separate copies and YES in 4.0 planes are much "heavier"...takeoffs are easier in 4.01...yes....but, maybe we are all idiots....

btw, I spoked with 20 ppl from 3 squads and all of them confirmed my observations.....but Ivan, maybe wer all mad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif gnghh! mnrghh!!! gnja fnnja gnja!!

sunflower1
06-16-2005, 05:22 PM
[QUOTE]Jaws2002

Posted Thu June 16 2005 11:37

quote:
Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
Perhaps it is merely a matter of communication??



Guns N' Roses - Civil War.



Naw, not GNR....

http://www.geocities.com/classicmoviescripts/script/cool_hand_luke.html

Cajun76
06-16-2005, 05:27 PM
Sunflower beat me to it. While I like GnR, that is from Cool Hand Luke, with Paul Newman.

That safety pin was wayy overmodeled..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Willey
06-16-2005, 05:33 PM
Bf-110 lost it's torque completely (still slipping very much)
262 fuel flow reminds me of the 163 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Buffalo Mk I ammo...

Not official? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Beckh_3.JG51
06-16-2005, 05:35 PM
Hey Tvrdi, we are not the only "hysteric idiots", I have checked russian forum suchoi.ru, and there are many like us http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif so its a global thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Vrabac
06-16-2005, 05:43 PM
FM is not the same. Brainwashing might work, try that. After that I might start thinking otherwise. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
06-16-2005, 06:09 PM
First of all, i read russian forums too...so there are not many of "like us" in there... maybe few people.
Second of all, this is exactly why i hate leaks and exactly why i hate people who cannot appriciate work of many. Dont like it, fine. But don`t pound yourself in the chest oh know it all, so-called pilots.

Now, in other thread i said: Unless real pilot will step up and say that it`s a step back... it`s nothing but noise to me... I don`t see any statements from RL pilots, except positive ones. Ok?

So... take it or leave it...that simple.

I`m done.

Tiger27
06-16-2005, 09:44 PM
Im not saying wether this is better or worse, Im not a rl pilot, what is being confirmed t me by my own testing is that the torque has changed on more than just the SBD, I can now take off in the 109 like in 3.04 full throttle and blast it down the runway.
The inertia still feels similar but there is definately a difference in torque, I have so far tested the '51 the MustangIII and the G2.
I also tried patching over 4.0 and over 3.04, same results.
IMO its still a long way better than 3.04, but I personally preffered 4.0

WWMaxGunz
06-16-2005, 10:54 PM
Hello Ivan!

One thing I think with patches is stick sensitivities get reset to default, but not 100% sure.
If so, did the defaults change?

crazyivan1970
06-16-2005, 10:56 PM
Honestly, i don`t know Gunz.

One thing i do know...after each major patch i reset all controls, inputs, video and sound settings.

Beckh_3.JG51
06-16-2005, 11:04 PM
Ivan, with all due respect, I dont think You get it man, all we are saying is that 4.01 does not feel same as 4.0. There is nothing to do with appriciation of Olegs hard work or any of that, we just disagree with your statment that 4.0 is the same as 4.01 except 2 changes, thats all. And I am not pounding my chest pretending know it all. I did delete il2, reinstalled it from 3.04 to 4.01 with the same result.

Hristo_
06-16-2005, 11:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
Perhaps it is merely a matter of communication?? (http://members.cox.net/wasaf2000/falur2CommLong.wav) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Guns N' Roses - Civil War.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, Cool hand Luke.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

crazyivan1970
06-16-2005, 11:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beckh_3.JG51:
Ivan, with all due respect, I dont think You get it man, all we are saying is that 4.01 does not feel same as 4.0. There is nothing to do with appriciation of Olegs hard work or any of that, we just disagree with your statment that 4.0 is the same as 4.01 except 2 changes, thats all. And I am not pounding my chest pretending know it all. I did delete il2, reinstalled it from 3.04 to 4.01 with the same result. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was not directed at you by all means. Look at PF forum and GD and you will understand what i am talking about. Also stop by Hyperlobby and observe for like 30 min. Drink heavily while you at it.

And i am not asking you to look in my PT`s.. people need to be sedated to look in there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

crazyivan1970
06-16-2005, 11:27 PM
This is simple test suggested by lead programmer of maddox games:

Record TRK file that contains ONLY movements of controls in the cockpit in 4.00 then play it in 4.01 - It should look the same.

Tvrdi
06-17-2005, 02:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
This is simple test suggested by lead programmer of maddox games:

Record TRK file that contains ONLY movements of controls in the cockpit in 4.00 then play it in 4.01 - It should look the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"..it should LOOK the same..." of course... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

btw,..this is pointless really.....

ploughman
06-17-2005, 05:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hey Tvrdi, we are not the only "hysteric idiots", I have checked russian forum suchoi.ru, and there are many like us Smile so its a global thing Eek </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Watch it pal, Global Whining's on the agenda at the G8 summit in Gleneagles. You are going to be dealt with. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Badsight.
06-17-2005, 05:34 AM
they never have announced all the changes patches have brought in the past

not in the read-me's or here at the forums

KOM.Nausicaa
06-17-2005, 07:15 AM
Some here claim the Bf109 has now less torque then before. I cannot confirm that. In my observation the Bf109 series is the same in 4.0 and 4.01. My squadmates from JG101 think the same, and we almost all installed 4.01 over 4.0.

Cheers,

nausicaa

Cajun76
06-17-2005, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
This is simple test suggested by lead programmer of maddox games:

Record TRK file that contains ONLY movements of controls in the cockpit in 4.00 then play it in 4.01 - It should look the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"..it should LOOK the same..." of course... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

btw,..this is pointless really..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously don't understand how the tracks work, they record input, not the actual footage like a movie. When you replay, it loads the game engine and puts in the recorded inputs. If the two versions are too different, the results will be way off. That why old tracks don't play correctly, or if the inputs were recorded wrong (glitch), the track will be different than you remembered.

Jetbuff
06-17-2005, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
This is simple test suggested by lead programmer of maddox games:

Record TRK file that contains ONLY movements of controls in the cockpit in 4.00 then play it in 4.01 - It should look the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"..it should LOOK the same..." of course... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

btw,..this is pointless really..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are right, it is pointless... your obstinacy is obviously beyond redemption.

Jaws2002
06-17-2005, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sunflower1:
[QUOTE]Jaws2002

Posted Thu June 16 2005 11:37

quote:
Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
Perhaps it is merely a matter of communication??



Guns N' Roses - Civil War.



Naw, not GNR....

http://www.geocities.com/classicmoviescripts/script/cool_hand_luke.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


We are both right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

civil war (http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Guns-N-Roses/Civil-War.html)

WWMaxGunz
06-17-2005, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
This is simple test suggested by lead programmer of maddox games:

Record TRK file that contains ONLY movements of controls in the cockpit in 4.00 then play it in 4.01 - It should look the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"..it should LOOK the same..." of course... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

btw,..this is pointless really..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously don't understand how the tracks work, they record input, not the actual footage like a movie. When you replay, it loads the game engine and puts in the recorded inputs. If the two versions are too different, the results will be way off. That why old tracks don't play correctly, or if the inputs were recorded wrong (glitch), the track will be different than you remembered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are 2 kinds of tracks. TRK and NTRK. Online only NTRK can be recorded, offline you can do either. NTRK are short tracks and do not work the same way, they do contain positional information and would be no good comparing FM differences by track. TRK are the full mission offline and exactly as you say, perfect for what 1C says.

LBR_Rademacher_
06-17-2005, 10:56 AM
What you guys need to confirm that Bf109 F series got no loadout? Where are the bombs, droptanks and gunpods? I dont understand such things.

JG54_Arnie
06-17-2005, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
Thanx for the kind words Arnie. Now check Oleg's initial answer to MG151/20 thread. I'll help you:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/2111099562/p/3
Later Oleg found out that there was an "error" (sort of) in code.

What I'm saying is - FB is very complex piece of software. And it's quite possible that changing one thing can lead to unintended consequences. My intention was not to offend the developers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm ok, you win http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif sorry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ARM505
06-17-2005, 01:46 PM
I haven't had a chance to install anything yet, not in the same hemisphere as my pc, can somebody with both versions (4.00 and 4.01) please do as the 1C guy suggested? ie. Record an appropriate .TRK in 4.00 (say a 109 taking off, or something similar) and play it back in 4.01? This should settle this debate surely?

Badsight.
06-17-2005, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anarchy52:
You mean the same as histeria when some hysterical memebers of this community claimed that nose mounted MG151 and gunpod MG151 are not the same gun in game? Then Oleg said it's impossible... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>& they were not the same

look at the Bk3.7 . HE in the Bf110 - & AP in the G1 Stuka