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Luftw4ffe
04-17-2011, 03:45 AM
As i have read and seen these Werfer grenates were used to attack enemy bombers, ive had no success with these tho. i tried attacking bombers from long range but they are terribly inacurate, the only success ive had is by getting close enough for the enemy rear gunners to shred me. any notes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Luftw4ffe
04-17-2011, 03:45 AM
As i have read and seen these Werfer grenates were used to attack enemy bombers, ive had no success with these tho. i tried attacking bombers from long range but they are terribly inacurate, the only success ive had is by getting close enough for the enemy rear gunners to shred me. any notes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

TipsyTed
04-17-2011, 04:54 AM
Yes, takes some practice, but once you master them you'll get a viermot nearly every time from well outside their defensive fire range. You have to set the rocket delay to an appropriate value, then find a way to estimate bomber range as accurately as possible (icons off of course). You have to aim very precisely and a bit below the bomber. I'll check if I can find any of my old tracks on using this weapon.

There are two drawbacks however which caused me to stop using them - firstly, you have to fly straight and level behind a formation of bombers to be able to aim carefully and wait till the distance is correct before firing. In this time, flying straight and level plus being preoccupied with aiming, you are a sitting duck for escorts. And secondly, in previous versions of the sim you couldn't jettison the empty tubes after the firing, which, needless to say, deteriorate flying characteristics too much.

Bremspropeller
04-17-2011, 06:12 AM
The Werfergranaten are useless due to sniper-gunners and due to the fact that they sucked IRL as well.

DKoor
04-17-2011, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
The Werfergranaten are useless due to sniper-gunners and due to the fact that they sucked IRL as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wrong mate... Wfr.Gr.21 gets you a free viermoot kill. Maybe even a bonus extra kill.
This ain't no luck involved business, it is just a matter of how long you wanna practice.
Once you get it right you'll be releasing them at bombers some 700m behind on their dead six level, aim slightly above with delay... hmmm... I think somewhere in 2 sec region I can't play the game anymore and I can't remember.
Also convergence above 350m.

But the drill is simple... you fly Me-109 get on their six release rockets, drop rocket carriers and go hunt with mg/cannons.

They work in game although they sucked IRL (AFAIK).

Bremspropeller
04-17-2011, 02:36 PM
AI gunners are accurate up to 1km range.

Xiolablu3
04-17-2011, 02:55 PM
Its not too hard to avoid the bomber gunners, just dive in from above at high speed.

Bremspropeller
04-17-2011, 03:29 PM
Funny, that usually gets me killed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DKoor
04-17-2011, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Funny, that usually gets me killed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
+1

Depending on what kind of bomber you are attacking, but yes say ace Ju-88 is pretty damn accurate in formation regardless of your speed... you must match right angle and hellish speed, another words it is very tough to do right. Very tough.

BTW about Wfr.Gr.21 ... try it mate just release them from some 700m dead six chances are you wont get critical hit and when you do it right you will score most of the times.
I did it vs B-17, after release I break off in any direction trying to get separation from bombers because as you say they are pretty accurate... deadly below 600m.

PS. I always laughed at that shot Ai manages to pull on me on 25 B-17 shot down track, IIRC I made a pass directly astern slightly above him on respectable speed (can't say that I recall too much details now) but he still managed to put one or two 12,7mm's in my 262.
Not enough however http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Luftw4ffe
04-18-2011, 03:11 AM
thanks for the help guys, i used them and i actually got a hit with them. i think ill stick with x-4s though thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

DKoor
04-18-2011, 03:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Luftw4ffe:
If we would have had the 262 at our disposal - even with all the delays - if we could have had in '44, ah, let's say three hundred operational, that day we could have stopped the American daytime bombing offensive, that's for sure.
Adolf Galland </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hehe just saw this... if LW had 300 of those in air, it could do anything at their will... total air domination.
I mean if they were only 50% capable as in this game, imagine the possibilities... heck I soloed 25 unescorted ace B-17s in one mission, so I think IRL it wouldn't be impossible to get 2-3 per sortie maybe even more if you press on the attack. Daylight bombing runs would be impossible without heavy casualty rate among bomber crews. Fearful machines.

Phil_K
04-18-2011, 04:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
Hehe just saw this... if LW had 300 of those in air, it could do anything at their will... total air domination.
I mean if they were only 50% capable as in this game, imagine the possibilities... heck I soloed 25 unescorted ace B-17s in one mission, so I think IRL it wouldn't be impossible to get 2-3 per sortie maybe even more if you press on the attack. Daylight bombing runs would be impossible without heavy casualty rate among bomber crews. Fearful machines. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah. The Americans would just have switched to B-29's.

Anyway, I use Wf.Gr.'s against ground convoys - they work a treat.

Bremspropeller
04-18-2011, 05:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hehe just saw this... if LW had 300 of those in air, it could do anything at their will... total air domination.
I mean if they were only 50% capable as in this game, imagine the possibilities... heck I soloed 25 unescorted ace B-17s in one mission, so I think IRL it wouldn't be impossible to get 2-3 per sortie maybe even more if you press on the attack. Daylight bombing runs would be impossible without heavy casualty rate among bomber crews. Fearful machines. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kinda. Don't forget their attention-whoe engines and the general non-experience with jets at the time.
The had virtually no idea how to make most use of the airplane - by the time that had changed, the plane was close to useless as there was a fighter CAP somewhere behind the bushes, jumping any appearant movement on the 262's airfield.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Nah. The Americans would just have switched to B-29's.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fine, more B-29s getting blown out of the sky http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Anyway, I use Wf.Gr.'s against ground convoys - they work a treat.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No surprise as that's what they were initially designed for (Nebelwerfer).