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DeerHunterUK
06-10-2009, 04:20 AM
My current joystick is on it's last legs and I'm in need of some advice\opinion. The joystick I have at the moment is a Saitek Cyborg Evo FFB. The shaft has become loose and I'm having to use deadzones to maintain centre. Is it possible to repair the joystick myself or should I purchase a new joystick?
If I need to purchase a new joystick, I have specialized needs. Firstly, I'm left handed and I'm also disabled with very limited use of my right hand. A joystick with a lot of buttons is better as I have to take my hand off the joystick to use the keyboard inflight. I'm also using a Saitek throttle quadrant, so a throttle isn't neccessary on the joystick. I'm considering buying rudder pedals at some stage.
I've been using the Cyborg range for the past 10 years or so. I think a change may be in order but I don't know what the alternatives are.
Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.

DeerHunterUK
06-10-2009, 04:20 AM
My current joystick is on it's last legs and I'm in need of some advice\opinion. The joystick I have at the moment is a Saitek Cyborg Evo FFB. The shaft has become loose and I'm having to use deadzones to maintain centre. Is it possible to repair the joystick myself or should I purchase a new joystick?
If I need to purchase a new joystick, I have specialized needs. Firstly, I'm left handed and I'm also disabled with very limited use of my right hand. A joystick with a lot of buttons is better as I have to take my hand off the joystick to use the keyboard inflight. I'm also using a Saitek throttle quadrant, so a throttle isn't neccessary on the joystick. I'm considering buying rudder pedals at some stage.
I've been using the Cyborg range for the past 10 years or so. I think a change may be in order but I don't know what the alternatives are.
Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.

Tully__
06-10-2009, 07:45 AM
I only know of Saitek that are adjustable for either hand.

There was a post on these forums sometime in the last 6 months or so where someone linked to a new offering from another manufacturer that was switchable but I can't find it and don't recall which manufacturer it was.

The CH Flightstick Pro (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/j_flight_pro.html) appears to be ambidextrous but doesn't offer a lot of features, only X, Y and "throttle" axis, 4 buttons and an 8 way FOV hat. The throttle axis is a thumb wheel on the base somewhere.

I've seen a fairly extensive modification done to a CH Fighterstick to convert it for lefty use, I think it was x6BL_Brando who is in a similar boat to you with regard to right hand availability.

knightflyte
06-10-2009, 08:13 AM
I highly recommend the CH Fighterstick. I seem to remember a post on the CH Forum where a member had a lefty stick made for him.

Check here. Post your question and see if you get a nibble. I've seen Franken Potato mods and Force Feedback mods done by members too, so SOMEONES got to be able to help you there.

Using the shift funtion you can map 44 different commands to the stick so there's a bunch of built in functionality. CH managers regularly hang out there and answer queries.

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php


EDIT:

Bah! Dammit. I jst remembered the CH sticks don't have a twist rudder like Saitek. If you have pedals or are looking to invest........

Check out the forum anyway to see if you can be helped.

Sokol__1
06-10-2009, 09:38 AM
DeerHunterUK

For left hand no much choice:

Thrustmaster T.16000M ("Airbus" stick lookalike)with HALL sensors, configurable for right/left hand.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/fi...oductID=153&Images=1 (http://www.thrustmaster.com/files.aspx?ProductID=153&Images=1)

Saitek Aviator with dual-throttle.

http://www.saitek.com/UK/PROD/av8r.htm

No choices for hight hand throttles units - minus modded CH.

Sokol1

Tully__
06-10-2009, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
DeerHunterUK

For left hand no much choice:

Thrustmaster T.16000M ("Airbus" stick lookalike)with HALL sensors, configurable for right/left hand.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/fi...oductID=153&Images=1 (http://www.thrustmaster.com/files.aspx?ProductID=153&Images=1)

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aha! That was the other one. How did I forget that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

x6BL_Brando
06-10-2009, 10:14 AM
Hi DeerHunter &lt;S&gt;

You may have caught me about before - I'm a guy with no right arm and I have an adapted CH Fighterstick. I use pedals too, because the FS has no twist function. The whole HOTAS that I use has cost me several hundred quid altogether - but the last time I looked I saw that I've been using it (a lot) for seven years! I haven't needed to replace anything in that time - springs, switches, pots; they're all as good as when I started using the gear. Good, er, bang for the buck, as our US friends say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The US figures a lot in the CH picture. Not only are they produced there but, also, the chap who sells left-handed conversions lives there too. Before doing anything else I suggest contacting him directly. His email addy is in this thread (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3313) at the CH hangar forum.
This next page lists and links to Mark's amazing workarounds (http://snomhf.exofire.net/projects.html) My story is at the bottom of the list.

There are several ways to go with this. You could buy a new Fighterstick and get Mark to send you a left-handed stick handle. Alternatively he might be able to pick up a secondhand FS and do the adaptation for you and then post the whole shebang. UPS had my stuff to me in a week at a cheap rate. Remember that you are talking about half the price quoted if you only want the stick and no throttle.

Please feel free to PM me if you want to. It was Tully who brought this thread to my notice; salute and cheers, Tully.

Have a chat with Mark. He's a super fellow and will help you out if he can. Mention me, Ross aka Brando.

B

Laurwin
06-10-2009, 10:41 AM
I eventually bought fighterstick as well, it was in fact the only joystick available in the store, aside from the logitech ones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

its quite big for my hand though. And I got smallish/medium sized hands I think, I can reach the two lower fow hats and the index finger button and also the pinky trigger, but the top two FOV hat and the big red button on the top I cant really reach comfortably...

its very accurate for flying though, registers movement well and so on.

pedals sure cost a lot of dough and so far I haven't bought em. CH pedals that is. only ones available in the nearby gaming store http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jayhall0315
06-10-2009, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
Hi DeerHunter &lt;S&gt;

You may have caught me about before - I'm a guy with no right arm and I have an adapted CH Fighterstick. I use pedals too, because the FS has no twist function. The whole HOTAS that I use has cost me several hundred quid altogether - but the last time I looked I saw that I've been using it (a lot) for seven years! I haven't needed to replace anything in that time - springs, switches, pots; they're all as good as when I started using the gear. Good, er, bang for the buck, as our US friends say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The US figures a lot in the CH picture. Not only are they produced there but, also, the chap who sells left-handed conversions lives there too. Before doing anything else I suggest contacting him directly. His email addy is in this thread (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3313) at the CH hangar forum.
This next page lists and links to Mark's amazing workarounds (http://snomhf.exofire.net/projects.html) My story is at the bottom of the list.

There are several ways to go with this. You could buy a new Fighterstick and get Mark to send you a left-handed stick handle. Alternatively he might be able to pick up a secondhand FS and do the adaptation for you and then post the whole shebang. UPS had my stuff to me in a week at a cheap rate. Remember that you are talking about half the price quoted if you only want the stick and no throttle.

Please feel free to PM me if you want to. It was Tully who brought this thread to my notice; salute and cheers, Tully.

Have a chat with Mark. He's a super fellow and will help you out if he can. Mention me, Ross aka Brando.

B </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brando, I did not realize your handicap at all (although it sounds like you do just fine if not better than many who have both arms http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). Would you be interested in possibly doing a research questionnaire and working with a type of keypad software program that measures response times and pattern matching ?

I work with BMI (brain machine interfaces) and although they would not be needed in your case, it would be interesting to see your synaptic integration at the motor cortex level for one arm combat integration (dont worry, no surgery is needed, hehe).

DeerHunterUK
06-10-2009, 02:53 PM
Some top notch advice there fellas, I cannot thank you enough. Brando, I do remember you, if memory serves the last time we chatted was about something very similar.
It may well be worth investing in a CH stick as I seem to be going through Saitek joysticks every 2-3 years at the moment (think I've had 5 of them). I have some US dollars left over from a holiday last year too. Unfortunately it states in Mark's thread, he'll only make them as a set, so that might be a problem as I can't use a HOTAS. I'll drop him an email and hopefully I can sort something out with him. I'll be sure to mention your name in the email too Brando.
I think as a fallback, the Thrustmaster T.16000 is definitely worth considering.
Cheers fellas. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

slipBall
06-10-2009, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Laurwin:
I eventually bought fighterstick as well, it was in fact the only joystick available in the store, aside from the logitech ones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

its quite big for my hand though. And I got smallish/medium sized hands I think, I can reach the two lower fow hats and the index finger button and also the pinky trigger, but the top two FOV hat and the big red button on the top I cant really reach comfortably...

its very accurate for flying though, registers movement well and so on.

pedals sure cost a lot of dough and so far I haven't bought em. CH pedals that is. only ones available in the nearby gaming store http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Really there is no reason to grip the handel to the point of not being able to reach all the buttons comfortably. Try a very loose grip, and pivot your wrist in a up-down motion. You should be able to reach all the buttons without inflicting unwanted movement of the stick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sokol__1
06-10-2009, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">its quite big for my hand though. And I got smallish/medium sized hands I think,
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Look at Somhf "FighterRunt" MOD:
http://snomhf.exofire.net/fighterRunt.html

Sokol1

x6BL_Brando
06-10-2009, 04:32 PM
@ Jayhall

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Would you be interested in possibly doing a research questionnaire and working with a type of keypad software program that measures response times and pattern matching ?

I work with BMI (brain machine interfaces) and although they would not be needed in your case, it would be interesting to see your synaptic integration at the motor cortex level for one arm combat integration (dont worry, no surgery is needed, hehe). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure I'll do your questionnaire and help if I can, though I can't promise to rush the results straight to you. Deadlines aren't my thing these days.

Surgery? LOL! I already have two stimulators buried deep in my brain, I don't think there's room for any more ironmongery in there! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PM me

B

Tully__
06-11-2009, 05:22 PM
Thanks very much Brando for chipping in here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DeerHunterUK
06-12-2009, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tully__:
Thanks very much Brando for chipping in here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely and thanks for pointing Brando in my direction Tully! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I've emailed the CH stick converter chap in question and am just waiting for a reply.

Laurwin
06-12-2009, 01:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Laurwin:
I eventually bought fighterstick as well, it was in fact the only joystick available in the store, aside from the logitech ones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

its quite big for my hand though. And I got smallish/medium sized hands I think, I can reach the two lower fow hats and the index finger button and also the pinky trigger, but the top two FOV hat and the big red button on the top I cant really reach comfortably...

its very accurate for flying though, registers movement well and so on.

pedals sure cost a lot of dough and so far I haven't bought em. CH pedals that is. only ones available in the nearby gaming store http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Really there is no reason to grip the handel to the point of not being able to reach all the buttons comfortably. Try a very loose grip, and pivot your wrist in a up-down motion. You should be able to reach all the buttons without inflicting unwanted movement of the stick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe, I dont know if its a bit of an un orthodox grip on the control stick, but sometimes I indeed do the following:

I first of all bound weaapon 1+2 to the thumb switch forward button

then I operate the trigger with my middle finger, and in this way I can pretty much reach the top buttons with my thumb. And I can also nicely reach the red button on the right side of the joystick with my index finger.

I eventually grew really to dislike the pinky trigger, it always seemed to be on the way so I couldnt really rest my fingers comfortably