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raaaid
05-06-2006, 09:21 AM
iknew that if i wanted gyroscopic thrust i needed a mass like a looping yoyo more concretely the hoping the fence trick would propell you backwards

to make an ellipse which foucus is the spinning axe i did it by mounting two motorized wheels on V shape that would have weights attached that would be spin in an ellipse trajectory

i just tested the device built with mecano floating and it reached an speed of 0.5 m/min

do you think this would be prove of gyro thrust since theres no static friction on water?

i think that if the device was made with spinning piston it could accelerate a big deal

raaaid
05-06-2006, 09:21 AM
iknew that if i wanted gyroscopic thrust i needed a mass like a looping yoyo more concretely the hoping the fence trick would propell you backwards

to make an ellipse which foucus is the spinning axe i did it by mounting two motorized wheels on V shape that would have weights attached that would be spin in an ellipse trajectory

i just tested the device built with mecano floating and it reached an speed of 0.5 m/min

do you think this would be prove of gyro thrust since theres no static friction on water?

i think that if the device was made with spinning piston it could accelerate a big deal

GoToAway
05-06-2006, 09:29 AM
And thus General Discussion learns the joy of raaaid threads.

raaaid
05-06-2006, 09:47 AM
im banned from the physics forums

but seems to me that contrary to newton gyro thrsut works

serious people like laithwaite, developer of magnetis rails seems to have achieved gyro propulsion

according to disclosure project 3 biggest secrets are ET free energy and antigravity

AKA_TAGERT
05-06-2006, 09:52 AM
If a tree falls in the woods.. does it make a sound?

danjama
05-06-2006, 09:59 AM
Welcome to GD Raaaid, hope u stickaround http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ploughman
05-06-2006, 10:02 AM
Got track?

Freelancer-1
05-06-2006, 10:08 AM
Well, well, well.

Thought I clicked on the wrong forum for a sec.

A whole new crowd over here to view and offer opinions on your always interesting (if somewhat unorthodox) threads.

Welcome, raaaid

Taylortony
05-06-2006, 10:12 AM
Worthless post deleted.

WWMaxGunz
05-06-2006, 10:19 AM
pictures explains makes need few

MrBlueSky1960
05-06-2006, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
im banned from the physics forums

but seems to me that contrary to newton gyro thrsut works

serious people like laithwaite, developer of magnetis rails seems to have achieved gyro propulsion

according to disclosure project 3 biggest secrets are ET free energy and antigravity </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, Professor Laithwaite another of our Scientists whose work on Linear Motors made him a household name back in the 70's... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif His 'Maglev' system alone should have put him with the likes of Faraday and Rutherford, instead he is looked upon as the ‚‚ā¨ňúEccentric‚‚ā¨ô Lancastrian Engineer that flew in the face of orthodox scientific thinking once to often‚‚ā¨¬¶ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Sadly missed‚‚ā¨¬¶ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


http://www.alternativescience.com/eric-laithwaite.htm

PF_Coastie
05-06-2006, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:

i just tested the device built with mecano floating and it reached an speed of 0.5 m/min </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">.5m/min? Anything will move that speed, even in a bathtub with no wind or current. Water is a hardly an ideal substance to test whatever it is your testing.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
do you think this would be prove of gyro thrust since theres no static friction on water?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">No static friction on water? Whaaaat? Water has a huge amount of static friction. Thats why boats need so much more power to achieve same speeds as cars for example. Add in static forces such as current, wind, waves and so on and your .5m/min is null and void.</span>

I really have no clue what you are talking about, but my limited knowledge of the common sense side of it makes me wonder about the valildity of this discussion.

raaaid
05-06-2006, 10:41 AM
seems there are lot of people working on gyroscopic linear thrust

i achieved a thrust greater than cooks when his device was tested by boeing

nasa denys this devices working arguin its friction diference what makes them work even in water

but i think that if you have an eccentric spinning weight ( a vibrator) it wont produce thrust in water

frolov from the university of st petersburg says that giros of varying radius produce linear thrust

thats exactky how my device works

in 2002 i got a patent for this device with spinning cylinders, same week i had a nervous breakdown so strong i abandoned everithing

1 year later the same week i tried to recover property of the patent i had a second break down, lost patent again

i used to think i got crazy because of a girl and smoking hasch but now seeing my device works i kind of wonder if i wasnt neutralized by people holding technology

if my device hadnt work exactly how i expected i would have come here and say hey you were right gyro thrust doenst work because it contradicts newton but either on the ground or on water it goes at a speed of 0.5 m/min

still is not an evidence but is a little prove to make a faster engine amusing

dazza9806482
05-06-2006, 10:50 AM
Smoking hash? That explains a lot, christ i nearly stumbled upon the unified theory of everything one night, but then i got the irrestible urge to go down the shop for some pistachios instead

a vibrator? i think it would probably short out in the bath, but ive not got one to hand....

AKA_TAGERT
05-06-2006, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
seems there are lot of people working on gyroscopic linear thrust

i achieved a thrust greater than cooks when his device was tested by boeing

nasa denys this devices working arguin its friction diference what makes them work even in water

but i think that if you have an eccentric spinning weight ( a vibrator) it wont produce thrust in water

frolov from the university of st petersburg says that giros of varying radius produce linear thrust

thats exactky how my device works

in 2002 i got a patent for this device with spinning cylinders, same week i had a nervous breakdown so strong i abandoned everithing

1 year later the same week i tried to recover property of the patent i had a second break down, lost patent again

i used to think i got crazy because of a girl and smoking hasch but now seeing my device works i kind of wonder if i wasnt neutralized by people holding technology

if my device hadnt work exactly how i expected i would have come here and say hey you were right gyro thrust doenst work because it contradicts newton but either on the ground or on water it goes at a speed of 0.5 m/min

still is not an evidence but is a little prove to make a faster engine amusing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds like an interesting ficton book your working on.. If you really want to make it trendie, I would recomend you find a way to blaim bush for your breakdowns.. Seems to be the going trend these days and the libs in hollywood eat that S up! I can not wait for the movie.. Who do you think should play the lead? I think that guy from the matrix would be perfect, he does good in all those wacky sci-fi movies.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-06-2006, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dazza9806482:
Smoking hash? That explains a lot, christ i nearly stumbled upon the unified theory of everything one night, but then i got the irrestible urge to go down the shop for some pistachios instead... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, the memories! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Freelancer-1
05-06-2006, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:

Sounds like an interesting ficton book your working on.. If you really want to make it trendie, I would recomend you find a way to blaim bush for your breakdowns.. Seems to be the going trend these days and the libs in hollywood eat that S up! I can not wait for the movie.. Who do you think should play the lead? I think that guy from the matrix would be perfect, he does good in all those wacky sci-fi movies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Science fiction is a roadmap to the future for the intelligent and educated.

Where do you suppose the ideas for things like computers, spaceflight and traveling at speeds greater than 25mph were first postulated.

If it weren't for science fiction, Luddites, like you seem to be, wouldn't even have this forum to spout thier narrow minded, fear of the future ideas. You'd be on a soap box advocating smashing the machine.

Open your mind and read a book or two http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Retrofish
05-06-2006, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
pictures explains makes need few </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

AKA_TAGERT
05-06-2006, 12:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
Science fiction is a roadmap to the future for the intelligent and educated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! Well for every sci-fi book on rockets before WWII I can show you hundreds of sci-fi books of things that never happened. Like Nostro*******, you make enough predictions your bound to be right once.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:Where do you suppose the ideas for things like computers, spaceflight and traveling at speeds greater than 25mph were first postulated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The same place you can find books about people fighting large cats in space

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
If it weren't for science fiction, Luddites, like you seem to be, wouldn't even have this forum to spout thier narrow minded, fear of the future ideas. You'd be on a soap box advocating smashing the machine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Just because a dream comes true, does not make all dreams a potential reality

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
Open your mind and read a book or two http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Which one do you recomend? Buck Rogers or the one on the UN oil for food scadle?

Freelancer-1
05-06-2006, 12:37 PM
I rest my case.

AKA_TAGERT
05-06-2006, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
I rest my case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Dont give up the dream!

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-06-2006, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
I rest my case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Who will save us from the Yahoo's... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Freelancer-1
05-06-2006, 12:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
I rest my case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Dont give up the dream! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was actually lawyer talk, in case you didn't get it.

Loosly translated, it means you've proven my point so there is nothing else to be said.

AKA_TAGERT
05-06-2006, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
That was actually lawyer talk, in case you didn't get it.

Loosly translated, it means you've proven my point so there is nothing else to be said. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Leave em speachless, just the way I like it

SATAN_23rd
05-06-2006, 01:07 PM
LOL, WTF is going on here?

AKA_TAGERT
05-06-2006, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SATAN_23rd:
LOL, WTF is going on here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Freelance was telling us how right raaaid is

russ.nl
05-06-2006, 01:14 PM
Stop the personal bashing plz.

This goes deep, but what ppl want ppl will get.

The future in propulsion is in finding a way to exploit the negative.

I mean lets say fire and explosions is positive and everything has an oppesit. Find out what that is and see how you can use it.

Like antimatter

NonWonderDog
05-06-2006, 01:29 PM
That's IT!

Now, all we have to do is find a new form of matter that doesn't follow physics as we know it, create a new branch of physics to explain that which does not exist in the normal sense, and stick the stuff in our cars!

We'll make BILLIONS!

AKA_TAGERT
05-06-2006, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
That's IT!

Now, all we have to do is find a new form of matter that doesn't follow physics as we know it, create a new branch of physics to explain that which does not exist in the normal sense, and stick the stuff in our cars!

We'll make BILLIONS! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And CATS that fly spacecraft so I can shoot them down! Oh, and that STAR WARS bar with all the neat creatures in it would be a pluss too.. in that if your going to dream, dream big I allways say!

ploughman
05-06-2006, 02:50 PM
"Science fiction is a roadmap to the future for the intelligent and educated."

Some sci-fi is technologically speculative, some is utopian/distopian, some is dime-novel chewing gum for the mind. Most of the best science fiction, just like any other literature, uses the peculiarities it's the genre to comment not on the future but on society at large. Swift's Gulliver's Travels was science fiction from the early 1700s, but it wasn't about islands in the sky it was about the world in which Swift lived.

My .02 Euros.

slipBall
05-06-2006, 02:58 PM
A pic would be helpfull to understand your project http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
05-06-2006, 02:58 PM
OMG - have the forums been merged after all? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

...or did you just get rushed away from the PF-forums by the ignorant reality fanboys? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW: Do you like red clothes, funky music and do you have a monobrow? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Heavy_Weather
05-06-2006, 03:33 PM
here a great story for ya:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4977134.stm

SATAN_23rd
05-06-2006, 03:39 PM
LOL, I still dont know what this thread is about, but it is good for a few laughs.

Zeus-cat
05-06-2006, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"I have a HOTAS" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try sitting on some ice!

Capt.LoneRanger
05-06-2006, 03:51 PM
SATAN_23rd, if you don't know raaaid, you missed 50% of this forums fun.

He's making clowns of Newton and Einstein, denies the laws of physics with the skills of a "Q" and is a close friend of Bernoulli, or "Bernuli", as he puts it, and he's the next best candidate for a nobel price, trust me on this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

You gotta love raaaid. One of his threads in the morning and you'll smile and laugh the whole day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

russ.nl
05-06-2006, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
here a great story for ya:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4977134.stm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he's trying to go home http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Jatro13th
05-06-2006, 04:41 PM
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSS!!!!!!

ALARM ALARM!!!!!!! THIS IS NOT AN EXERCISE!!!!!

WE ARE UNDER RAAAAAAAAAID RAID!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SATAN_23rd
05-06-2006, 05:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"I have a HOTAS" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try sitting on some ice! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently you completely missed the relevance.

raaaid
05-06-2006, 05:31 PM
i made a farther experiment i took my mobil phone and start the vibrator, it would advance at a speed of 0.5 m/min on a table

then try it again floating on water the velocity was 0 it just vibrated without moving

this makes me consider that the water test to check for linear thrust is quite valid

now ill go for the pendulum, of course i wont make public any succes, i dont want to be neutralized again

danjama
05-06-2006, 05:37 PM
I think Raid is actually pretty smart, i like the way he thinks and i actually S! him for it. Satan, try reading the first post to see what this is about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

danjama
05-06-2006, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
i made a farther experiment i took my mobil phone and start the vibrator, it would advance at a speed of 0.5 m/min on a table

then try it again floating on water the velocity was 0 it just vibrated without moving

this makes me consider that the water test to check for linear thrust is quite valid

now ill go for the pendulum, of course i wont make public any succes, i dont want to be neutralized again </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The phone is too heavy to test its vibration on water, try something lighter that floats....

LStarosta
05-06-2006, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
i made a farther experiment i took my mobil phone and start the vibrator, it would advance at a speed of 0.5 m/min on a table

then try it again floating on water the velocity was 0 it just vibrated without moving

this makes me consider that the water test to check for linear thrust is quite valid

now ill go for the pendulum, of course i wont make public any succes, i dont want to be neutralized again </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The phone is too heavy to test its vibration on water, try something lighter that floats.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://vibrator.viboshop.nl/images/vibrators.jpg

Perhaps something like this?

BfHeFwMe
05-06-2006, 06:29 PM
Issac NooBton, what did he know. I've harnessed the gyro for travel, five hundred more of these beauties and pull aside when you see me smoking the lane next to you.

http://www.awionline.org/pubs/cq02/mice5.jpg

Ratsack
05-06-2006, 06:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
"Science fiction is a roadmap to the future for the intelligent and educated."

Some sci-fi is technologically speculative, some is utopian/distopian, some is dime-novel chewing gum for the mind. Most of the best science fiction, just like any other literature, uses the peculiarities it's the genre to comment not on the future but on society at large. Swift's Gulliver's Travels was science fiction from the early 1700s, but it wasn't about islands in the sky it was about the world in which Swift lived.

My .02 Euros. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm still in shock.

An intelligent post in this thread! STop it, or I'll have to raise my expectations, then whatever would Seneca say?

Ratsack

WWMaxGunz
05-06-2006, 08:05 PM
Wind-up teeth that clack up and down also move forward. It's a matter of feeding energy into
a mechanical that has more friction in one direction than another. The surface it slides on
becomes part of the machine system.

In boats I have had a canoeing instructor show us about "gunnel pumping" a canoe at good speed.
He got up with a foot on each gunnel near the middle of the canoe and started bouncing the
thing up and down in the water. He was a bit to the front and the thing moved forward a lot
faster than an meter per minute without him working hard. He told us that full bore out the
canoe will be flying with a wake of whitewater, and you do this on flat water only. No, we
didn't try cause still too young to straddle a 17 ft flat bottom aluminum canoe. That was '71.

He wasn't violating physics, he was using it as was shown him. So can I put a vibrating mass
in a boat and have it move forward? Yes if I arrange where the mass sits.

Hang the device on two strings and see if it will keep to one side only swung up from center.
Back and forth don't count, that's just dynamic storage of energy and who hasn't pumped a
swing up without touching the ground way back when? Has to swing one way only and hold
itself above straight down.

Go ahead. Post pictures. That's a Nobel if there ever was one.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-07-2006, 03:44 AM
LStarosta, I hope these are torpedoes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-07-2006, 04:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GoToAway:
And thus General Discussion learns the joy of raaaid threads. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man it sure has been a while. Right click on name select most recent post's....prepare your self you just stepped into the twighlight zone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SeaFireLIV
05-07-2006, 06:03 AM
It`s kinda weird seeing a man put his questionable ideas in a GD forum. I mean, if you`ve been banned from a proper physics forum (something you continually remind us of), a place where people actually understand something of what you`re saying why put the ideas down here?

How are we supposed to better than a physics forum?

And if you stumble upon a great idea why tell us, when we might steal it and get all the credit?

This is obviously more to do with you and not physics or anything else.

Sorry if I sound harsh, I just don`t think any good comes from this in the long run. You need to continue seeing help privately off a faceless forum.

DmdSeeker
05-07-2006, 06:18 AM
Just why is this off topic drivel allowed here?

raaaid
05-07-2006, 06:39 AM
i had heard you could propel yourself in a boat without using rows, now i now it works by creating an angle between the surface of the floor of the boat and the surface of the sea

so if you jump in the back end of the boat you would be propelled backwards,right?

ill try to change the center of gravity to see what happens but for me that it advances in the expected direction and not in the 359 others even using different bowls is kind of encouraging

i post this here and not in a physicsforum not because im banned (i can use a proxy) but because those guys are fanatics of science,its like religion for them they wont accept a discusion of the stablished

you dont understand that theres supression of technology just by posting this here im playing with fire but as other people have achieved also water propulsion not too big deal

the thing would be passing the pendulum test but the sad thing is that if i passed it and made it public i would be a strong menace for the system

as for stealing the idea i got this patent in 2002, very same week nervous breakdown, lost patent, 2003 contact office of patents to recover posesion of it, very same week nervous breakdown, lost it again, then got the info of disclosure project, now this hacker, yesterday seeing my engine works

i think that if i hadent patented this device now i would be a normal guy instead of the delusional weirdo i become so dont blame me blame those who own petrol

WarWolfe_1
05-07-2006, 06:57 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

WTF?

What have I stumbled on here?

LEBillfish
05-07-2006, 07:09 AM
Frankly.........we've seen this same post before under many different guises. It's been answered a thousand+ times, yet really boils down to someone hammering at the same flawed idea over and over as though if everyone else gives up arguing it then the laws of physics will suddenly change to suit the last man standing.

It really doesn't matter if it works or not....As if I can get better propulsion from a sail, or motor, or 20 chained slaves rowing with less energy expended then what this takes then it's not practical and simply an excercise in "it's my soap & my ****, I can wash it as long and as fast as I want".

Does anyone else get the impression that someone here saw "A Beautiful Mind" once too often after reading a single book on Tesla?

raaaid
05-07-2006, 07:21 AM
well i have achieved 100 or 1000 times more ratio propulsion-weight than cooks inertial propulsor tested by boeing

ive admitted 100 times im insane but thats not reason to put me down or to consider my ideas crab

i just wanted opinions weather this is supressed tech or not, i appreciate a lot the guy who told me about propelling a boat jumping so now i can do farther experiments

my meccano engine is 100 times better than cooks so imagine i had money and i could built spinning pistons as i had first patented, i think i could even make the engine levitate

of course i could be all wrong but that important people say so is not argument at all

WarWolfe_1
05-07-2006, 07:25 AM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/WarWolfe/agreepost.gif

Capt.England
05-07-2006, 07:41 AM
ok raaaid, How does the T.A.R.D.I.S. work?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

danjama
05-07-2006, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
well i have achieved 100 or 1000 times more ratio propulsion-weight than cooks inertial propulsor tested by boeing

ive admitted 100 times im insane but thats not reason to put me down or to consider my ideas crab

i just wanted opinions weather this is supressed tech or not, i appreciate a lot the guy who told me about propelling a boat jumping so now i can do farther experiments

my meccano engine is 100 times better than cooks so imagine i had money and i could built spinning pistons as i had first patented, i think i could even make the engine levitate

of course i could be all wrong but that important people say so is not argument at all </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so there is a posiblity of flying cars with this engine, if we give you the money to develop?

AKA_TAGERT
05-07-2006, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
well i have achieved 100 or 1000 times more ratio propulsion-weight than cooks inertial propulsor tested by boeing

ive admitted 100 times im insane but thats not reason to put me down or to consider my ideas crab

i just wanted opinions weather this is supressed tech or not, i appreciate a lot the guy who told me about propelling a boat jumping so now i can do farther experiments

my meccano engine is 100 times better than cooks so imagine i had money and i could built spinning pistons as i had first patented, i think i could even make the engine levitate

of course i could be all wrong but that important people say so is not argument at all </div></BLOCKQUOTE>How do they get that cotton in the top of the asprin bottles?

DIRTY-MAC
05-07-2006, 09:18 AM
oh man..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Whatch it! Raaid is slowly taking over the UBIZOO forums
one by one,

by the way
Raaid do you even Play Pacific Fighter or have an interest in WWII fighterplanes,
cant remember you talked about the game or planes once, just these "sience stuff" post?

Feathered_IV
05-07-2006, 09:33 AM
Flatulence is a form of propulsion too. If you were floating in space and had a space suit with some kind of one-way valve at the back...

If you farted enough, you could really go places http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

raaaid
05-07-2006, 09:53 AM
i just made an experiment to determine weather the angle between water surface and float bottom made thrust so i reverse sense of motors(meccano is great) keepin the center of g constant

i saw inmediatly how it kept the wrong sense, oh my god i was wrong and i was going to admit it here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

well just a current when the water got still it advance again the expected sense

i understand how easily is supress technology, just look at the feedback i get (at least better than in physics forums where would have been locked already)

the thing is cook recall attention of press with his engine that advance at a speed of 10 cm per hour mine advances 1 m in two minutes

any skill person unlike me can build this engine all you need is a spinning cylinder with two pistons on the extreme being both in the same ellipse trajectory as they spin and oscilate

carguy_
05-07-2006, 11:18 AM
I don`t understand why are you people putting raaaid down so much.I`d think if his experimenting/thoughts/theories don`t hurt anyone he can do it anytime he wants.
This is definitely not the place to do this although mods are responsible.

I dunno,maybe you ppl also get put down so much by others?

The fact that raaid may be talking pure BS(I dunno,I`m a physics idiot) does not make your insults legitimate.

Yes,people were burned alive for saying earth is round and anyone saying PCs will be everywhere someday was thought to be a lunatic.
No laws created by man are are ultimately correct nor eternal.They have been overhauled for thousands of years.So what tells you raaaid is a lunatic?Because he defies those laws?

Does insulting him makes you ppl feel better?
Let him explain!"Listen" to him or don`t read what he wrote.

A typical "let`s put the guy down" crowd/herd psychology.

Next time you feel like an idiot think about this thread.


Raaaid might be a mad scientist or a troll or maybe a person who needs proffesional help.Don`t judge him.Delete/lock this thread,ban him but don`t judge him!

raaaid
05-07-2006, 11:25 AM
Britt Beaubian made a much powerfull engine that mine exactly based on the same principle, he is also working on free energy but almost no info of him on the net

Capt.LoneRanger
05-07-2006, 11:40 AM
carguy_, don't get me wrong, you certainly have a point there, but how many posts from raaaid did you read so far? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

heywooood
05-07-2006, 12:18 PM
raaaid is cool - and our replies tell as much about us as his posts say of him.

some very thoughtful ideas and some not so.


...all very free energy.

raaaid
05-07-2006, 01:15 PM
hehe now after seeing the video from Britt Beaubian who does exactly same than me but 50 times better he pointed me to the overunity magnetic toy

im getting geomag and skyrail to try to run the ball up with magnets, trackir will have to wait

in my opinion theres supresion of this technology, i have suspicious with the linear thrust gyro working but if i build a continuous magnet powered marble run it will be a prove for me but again to keep safe ill have to keep it secret if suceed

wouldnt it be a shame our goverments kept free energy secret?

but on the other hand isnt arabia saudi full of energy sources one of the unfairest countries?

i think the answer to this second question will keep me from publicing any free energy sucess

in fact i wouldnt have brought the topic up except because the discussion about my engine working or not has a long story in this forum

Friendly_flyer
05-07-2006, 01:42 PM
I must say I'm with Carguy here. This Raaid character may be mad as a hatter, but the worst he can do is making a fool of him self. Should he actually be on to something, we'll all benefit in the end. I don't understand a word of what he's writing, and this is definitely not the forum for these sorts of things, but he hasn‚‚ā¨ôt insulted anyone.

WWMaxGunz
05-07-2006, 01:53 PM
The angle of the tilted boat hull pushing down against the water allows vertical motion
energy to be vectored into forward motion by sine of the tilt. Which increases as the
boat rides the waves caused by the pumping. It even generates some forward vector on
the way up as water pushes boat. The boat and water are coupled.

Make the swing, hang a working model in a doorway if you have no other place and see if
you can get it to hold position even 1 cm higher that bottom of swing. Nothing to couple
with except air that way and this thing has no props or fans? Can be closed inside a box?
Go ahead and run a loose cord to wall plug for power, it won't matter as long as the cord
is not pulling the device upward or outward from center of swing.

So far it takes action to get reaction and those are only by coupled objects, force requires
another force to work against and balance with. You can't swim in a vaccuum.

Freelancer-1
05-07-2006, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
I must say I'm with Carguy here. This Raaid character may be mad as a hatter, but the worst he can do is making a fool of him self. Should he actually be on to something, we'll all benefit in the end. I don't understand a word of what he's writing, and this is definitely not the forum for these sorts of things, but he hasn‚‚ā¨ôt insulted anyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you've been following raaaids posts for a while, you come to realize that this forum is more or less just a blog for him.

For the most part, he seems to not read, or not care about any responses. Just keeps happily blogging away, seemingly oblivious to the derision with which he is treated by most here.

I think he's just that type of person who needs to write things down to get them to gel in his mind. And this is a venue where he can do it without getting banned (although I wonder why he hasn't been, somtimes).

In any case, I always enjoy reading his new and wacky ideas. Occasionlly they actually seem to have some validity.

LStarosta
05-07-2006, 02:06 PM
I <span class="ev_code_PINK">&lt;3</span> raaaid!

raaaid
05-07-2006, 02:23 PM
you are right water testing might be wrong but im doing a better test: hold the engine to a cable tight to a platform on rails, that would convince me 90% if working

ill let you know

i dont mind getting 99 flames if i get 1 intelligent answer

it recalls my attention that failure inertial thrusters like cooks or collinshaws are given big publicity while sucesses like Britt Beaubians are unknown, firsts speed of 10 cm/h because of bad design second 3 km/h with a tennisball and two bowls

dont you think they are right in the disclosure project and this tech is supressed?

russ.nl
05-07-2006, 02:28 PM
Raaaid rules http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

I like open minded ppl.

raaaid
05-07-2006, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The angle of the tilted boat hull pushing down against the water allows vertical motion
energy to be vectored into forward motion by sine of the tilt </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

anyway keeping the same angle and reversing sense of the gyro the propulsion reversed as well, althoug i admmit that with less force

dont you think that turns down that argument? by the way thanks a lot for your point but i just figured it out this morning thanks to another forumite so i did this reversal test

WWMaxGunz
05-07-2006, 02:33 PM
I remember people who thought that "Salvage I" not only had good ideas but those eggheads
at NASA could learn from it. They still do apparently.

It was terrible from any kind of science view. From the movie a main thing that NASA should
learn is to accelerate slowly but steadily and you'll get there without getting inconvenienced.
yes, NASA wastes too much fuel pushing for big boosts. Zero is said about the efficiency of
holding yourself up against gravity until you can get into orbit and zero is said about drag.
The point is 'proved' by two laps on a race track. First lap the driver floors it and gets
to full speed quickly then roars around the track. Next lap he starts out with slow accel that
just constantly increases in a mild fashion yet they finish the lap in the same or less time
which is the other stuff from shinola. But that proves that NASA has idiots for scientists.
the Salvage-I crew even saves on fuel by using a special super-fuel that nobody else has.
Just one tiny drop blows a junked bigblock 8 engine a couple hundred feet in the air, it's
so strong. A good size jug is more than enough to get to the moon even let alone orbit.

Oh yeah, a serious bit of sci-fi if I ever din't see one!

I'm sure they'd have loved a raaaaaaaid motor for their cement-mixer spaceship.

I have another friend who thinks we can modify 747's to land on Mars with, his special fuel
is only 15% better than the best going rocket fuel.

raaaid
05-07-2006, 02:50 PM
http://www.open.org/davidc/sitelist.htm

only place on the net to see this video:

in the page end waback.avi and watop.avi

notice how with the tilt the float has it should advance the oposite sense it does

the guy put the engine offcenter to ruin this argument

Capt.LoneRanger
05-07-2006, 02:58 PM
LOL, Gunz! Great example.

But no competition for raaaid, actually. Where your example offers some theory, as easy as it might be turned down, by only remembering here are speeds compared to accellerations, raaaid simply lifts his theories far above these phyisical basics.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> iknew that if i wanted gyroscopic thrust i needed a mass like a looping yoyo more concretely the hoping the fence trick would propell you backwards </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This sentence (or are they actually 2 sentences) is one example of precise theory-foundation.

... I don't know, but reading these posts, I really start to think that H.P.Lovecrafts visions may come true after all...

Freelancer-1
05-07-2006, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
http://www.open.org/davidc/sitelist.htm

only place on the net to see this video:

in the page end waback.avi and watop.avi

notice how with the tilt the float has it should advance the oposite sense it does

the guy put the engine offcenter to ruin this argument </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh, raaaid

I think as a passenger on that, you might be a little uncomfortable.

How would you propose damping the vibration while maintaining the benefits?

WWMaxGunz
05-07-2006, 03:10 PM
Take enough morphine and you'll see it too!

If the idea is sound then a test model can't fail to work to some degree.
Let's see it work, that will fulfill what a lack of explanation does not.
Otherwise... Lovecraft? Why not Bradbury?

Do dreams exist somewhere besides inside heads? And does the head ask if
anything else is more than a dream? That's not precise, it's half-lost
and the other half is out lookin!

What is Reality?

Capt.LoneRanger
05-07-2006, 03:15 PM
I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstood your point? Weren't you talking about creating a linear accelleration by the gyroscope effect? You know what this effect is?

The videos you showed have nothing to do with gyroscopic propulsion. The rotating mass simply causes waves that move the device forward.

Put your clothes in a washing machine and fix the drum - you'll see a similar effect. It moves, sure, but propulsion? Like this only under test conditions.

And it is not called gyroscopic effect, but centrifugal force. The gyroscopic effect means that you need force to pull a rotating object out of center and this will cause an inertia in another direction. Funny YOU never tried the bicicle-wheel trick on a rotating chair?

raaaid
05-07-2006, 03:15 PM
my device works exactly the same but with two oposite weights,the more weights(another tennisball) or spinning cylinders the less vibrations

the maximum trhust comes with the velocity and variation of radius and with spining cilinders the diference of radius can be as big as wanted, thats the advantage of my lost patent

i cant think of achieving greater thrust but by using spinning cylinders with heavy pistons

jesus that can go up to 12000 rpm the thrust would be awesome

raaaid
05-07-2006, 03:18 PM
notice the tilt of the float and according to it predict the sense it will move

why does it move the oposite sense than the tilt marks?

the guy knew this argument thats why he tilted the float that way

russ.nl
05-07-2006, 03:34 PM
for this machine to be usefull it would have to be so big that it would be a leap back in technologie.

BfHeFwMe
05-07-2006, 08:19 PM
Oh come on now guys, leave him be, he's here because he fit's in so well. Everything seeks out it's own kind, there's no place like home, we're all just one big happy family, all of a same community and mind.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

AKA_TAGERT
05-07-2006, 08:19 PM
raaid makes Baldie Jr and CRASH look like amateurs when it comes to hook line and sinkers

WTE_Galway
05-07-2006, 08:36 PM
seriously ...


how does he expect it to work without a de-palma N machine and orgone accumulators ?

also a cat with buttered toast would help heaps

Targ
05-07-2006, 10:05 PM
Would the boat exercise work like flexing up and down on a good pair of cross country skies?
I can travel forword at a decent clip just flexing up and down with my legs.

Lucius_Esox
05-07-2006, 11:27 PM
Woof woof woof WOof WOOF woof woof woOF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

WWMaxGunz
05-08-2006, 12:49 AM
The same basic thing Targ. Also like the little windup teeth and other windups that hop
forward while bouncing up and down. All those examples tie into the surface they run on
and all of them work whether the mass has spinning elements or not.

Moving a spinning gyro generates torque back against the thing that moved it. Sit on a
swing and wave a spinning wheel around and the swing may swing higher but back and forth
for a net total of zero. The torque goes all the way to the top of the swingset frame.

When there is a working linear motor just due to gyroscopic forces pitted against each
other that don't only put torque on the frame they are contained by but outside as well
then it will be able to lift a swing to one side and keep it there.

I expect to see videos where things move that 'shouldn't' simply by wind doesn't show.
Say what you want about science, the method is as solid as anything physical can be.
You make a demo is step one only. It must be repeatable and work in controlled conditions
to begin to be accepted. Conditions not part of the theory must be removeable and still
the demo works else it is garbage.

I saw this room temp fusion guy on Letterman once. He had this rig with many-many car
batteries and a score of flashing strobes with a beaker of water and some electrodes in
it. He claimed to be tapping the speed of light energy of the electrons in the water
and somehow the net energy of the total system was rising. Right there he was on poor
ground, he could not say about the true start energy of the system -- I can take a battery
with almost no measureable voltage just tapped out and let it sit, it will regain some
charge just by chemical action inside over time. The energy was there all the time, and
more. Just because you can't tap it fully on the instant don't mean it's gone.
Yes, he said speed of light energy when he talked to Letterman and babbled away about it
as his new understanding that electrons move at the speed of light and he could tap that
but has no idea just how. Shroedinger would have something to say... oh right, he did.
His equations predict electron orbitals and energy states very well without resorting to
speed of light electrons. Nooooo, the science of eletron movement is far stranger than
that! The energy is tapped through chemical bonds with known energy and mechanics too,
no mass conversion (as in fusion at any temperature) involved.
But the turkey on the Letterman show did not let his own ignorance stop him and his magic
never went anywhere because there was no magic just as there was no plot to keep him down.

There was the Utah team that tried whatever they tried and made their big announcement.
Several other teams tried to repeat the results and got nothing.

http://www.jir.com

Where the heart of science (the method) meets average and better BS.

EDIT: btw check out the poem at http://www.jir.com/pullet.html

Feathered_IV
05-08-2006, 01:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
notice the tilt of the float and according to it predict the sense it will move

why does it move the oposite sense than the tilt marks?

the guy knew this argument thats why he tilted the float that way </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm. this appears to be some kind of code http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
05-08-2006, 04:28 AM
LOL, Feathered_IV

That is the key element of all raaaid posts. You need to read the post like a dozen times to even decipher what he has come up with, again. Then you might waste another precious minutes of your limited lifetime to actually understand, whats behind the words.

raaaid
05-08-2006, 05:42 AM
ill try to be more clear(by the way thanks for the vertical motion and tilt transformation into advance tip i wouldnt have figured it out myself):

in the video the weight of the engine is on the back of the float, according to logic vertical conponent with that tilt of the float should have sent the float backwards, but it is send forward, isnt this a prove of it working?

i also reversed sensed of my gyro with the same tilt and sense of motion reversed as well whats another prove that is not tilt that causes propulsion

for what i know there are just 3 working patents on gyro propulsors

cooks produces almost no thrust although he recalled press and boeing attention, i dont understand how it works

collinshaws has identical concept than mine, the center of gravity moved in an ellipse pattern around the axe(focus), he doenst understand the concept and made the same mistake i had make and predicts a proulsion 90‚¬ļ wrong in direction

after 5 years research when i found the cannonball example (a cannonball forced to make an ellipse with a cable) i understood fully how this devices work(if you measure the tension on the cable youll discover half ellipse has much more tension than the other half)

the more eccentricity of the ellipse the biggest the difference between tension in the two halfs and thats where my patent shines, it not only has much bigger rotational speed because of almost no having gearing but besides the variation of radius (eccentricity) can be as big as desired, it uses clasical spinning cylinders (fastest it gets)

now my point my lost patent is the best working

according to disclosure project antigravity is of the biggest secrets

according to this thread linked hacker antigravity is biggest secret also

the same week my patent is made public i have a terrible nervous breakdown with no psyquiatric antecedents and not know relatives with any problem losing the patent

one year later the same week i contact the office of patents to recover second breakdown

dont you thing it might be better for me to stop researching on antig and free energy?

i think so in fact i just invented a new spinning top to forget this things but im so curious weather ive been atacked or not to supress technology that ill try with the simple magnetic overunity toy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DIRTY-MAC
05-08-2006, 06:37 AM
Just wanna say that my post whas not meant to offend you raaid, sorry if It sounded so, it was really not my intention.

but I am really curius if you play PF?
never heard you talked about it or WWII fighters? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

raaaid
05-08-2006, 06:44 AM
love this game 6 years playing and still get those adrenaline rushes

i love aeronautics why do you think im on this stuff, antgravity, free energy, wormholes

i want my grandsons to play a no shooting simulator of a ship that travels around the galaxies because a day it became real, just like flying

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-08-2006, 06:49 AM
Raaid either you are the product of various narcotics and cable sci-fi channels. Or you are some one who regrets being born in the 20th century and would prefer to have been born around 200 years further into the future?

In all your posts you admit to not having the technical or cognative expertise to actualy implement any of your ideas or theories in any practical form other than watching your mobile phone vibrate on various surfaces. Which I might add is not a form of antigravity it is kinetic energy transformed into motion. True antigravity would require a device that actually repels gravity not some vehicle that transports itself around by extreme vibration, a vibro car, if you will.

Now I suspect that the reason you were banned from the 'physics' forum is that in actual fact all you are doing is pestering sensible and qualified individals to build you the 'future' in the vain hope that some one out there will actually agree to do it for you?

Trust me anyone capable of making such a device is already gainfully employed by a government 'some where' and is making vast ammounts of money re-searching far more usefull projects than how you can get to the 7-11 with out wearing out tarmac or shoe rubber.

I can assure you that your vain hope that a scientist with smarts and willingness enough to implment your ideas might actually lurk around in the general discussion forum of a world war two flight simulator for home entertainment is just wishfull thinking.

By all means post here (It is not for me to tell you were and when to post) but please don't think any one here is gona take you seriously or build you a time machine.

I would suggest that maybe you try and seek solace and like minded individuals amongst those other denizines of the scifi channels loosley referd to as 'trekkies'.

Have you tried this? Did they ban you too? Is the reality of your own world too much to deal with ?

Oh and another thing this is a ww2 simulator. Most of the guys and gals in here are living in the past not the future.

bazzaah2
05-08-2006, 07:32 AM
They got Elvis didn't they?

Good luck to raaaid.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-08-2006, 08:26 AM
Yeah, the cannon-ball thing was great. Gave it a physics-pro to read and he had great fun with it.

T_O_A_D
05-08-2006, 09:00 AM
So tell me how is the weather in Spain?

LEBillfish
05-08-2006, 09:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
............Oh and another thing this is a ww2 simulator. Most of the guys and gals in here are living in the past not the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's right!!........I'm still 29 years old http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AKA_TAGERT
05-08-2006, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bazzaah2:
They got Elvis didn't they?

Good luck to raaaid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL

raaaid
05-08-2006, 10:19 AM
the advice i came here for was weather i should research or not

if theres no supresion better keep researching

but isnt it suspicious that collinshaw and me independently ended building the same working device

why all the info i get is from amateurs who try and succeed, like me, but nasa says is imposible and doesnt even bother trying on what would be revolutionary, and so many sources telling nasa is lying and they know its posible but top secret

how sensible do you consider this?:

ill research a whole year in perpetaul motion using the smot, if i achieve it theres supression if not well maybe theres not so i could go for the pendulum test

mine is not a simple gyro but a gyro of varying radius

there might be not supression after all because many people know about this gyros but so far seems the only one who understands how they work its me, so i might be the first to beat the pendulum test

raaaid
05-08-2006, 10:21 AM
by the way beatiful day here but this summer ill be pale as hell becaus ill be working in perpetual motion

Freelancer-1
05-08-2006, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
by the way beatiful day here but this summer ill be pale as hell becaus ill be working in perpetual motion </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROTFLMAO!!!

A pun... from raaaid!

Didn't know you had it in you.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
05-08-2006, 11:46 AM
raaaid, after messing up gyroscopic effect and centrifugal force, you now call inertial momentum from thin air a perpetual motion?

You know, that for this, your drive must work without energy put in there? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

AKA_TAGERT
05-08-2006, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
the advice i came here for was weather i should research or not

if theres no supresion better keep researching

but isnt it suspicious that collinshaw and me independently ended building the same working device

why all the info i get is from amateurs who try and succeed, like me, but nasa says is imposible and doesnt even bother trying on what would be revolutionary, and so many sources telling nasa is lying and they know its posible but top secret

how sensible do you consider this?:

ill research a whole year in perpetaul motion using the smot, if i achieve it theres supression if not well maybe theres not so i could go for the pendulum test

mine is not a simple gyro but a gyro of varying radius

there might be not supression after all because many people know about this gyros but so far seems the only one who understands how they work its me, so i might be the first to beat the pendulum test </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thats nice, but, does a bear S in the woods?

WWMaxGunz
05-08-2006, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
ill try to be more clear(by the way thanks for the vertical motion and tilt transformation into advance tip i wouldnt have figured it out myself):

in the video the weight of the engine is on the back of the float, according to logic vertical conponent with that tilt of the float should have sent the float backwards, but it is send forward, isnt this a prove of it working?

i also reversed sensed of my gyro with the same tilt and sense of motion reversed as well whats another prove that is not tilt that causes propulsion

for what i know there are just 3 working patents on gyro propulsors

cooks produces almost no thrust although he recalled press and boeing attention, i dont understand how it works

collinshaws has identical concept than mine, the center of gravity moved in an ellipse pattern around the axe(focus), he doenst understand the concept and made the same mistake i had make and predicts a proulsion 90‚¬ļ wrong in direction

after 5 years research when i found the cannonball example (a cannonball forced to make an ellipse with a cable) i understood fully how this devices work(if you measure the tension on the cable youll discover half ellipse has much more tension than the other half)

the more eccentricity of the ellipse the biggest the difference between tension in the two halfs and thats where my patent shines, it not only has much bigger rotational speed because of almost no having gearing but besides the variation of radius (eccentricity) can be as big as desired, it uses clasical spinning cylinders (fastest it gets)

now my point my lost patent is the best working

according to disclosure project antigravity is of the biggest secrets

according to this thread linked hacker antigravity is biggest secret also

the same week my patent is made public i have a terrible nervous breakdown with no psyquiatric antecedents and not know relatives with any problem losing the patent

one year later the same week i contact the office of patents to recover second breakdown

dont you thing it might be better for me to stop researching on antig and free energy?

i think so in fact i just invented a new spinning top to forget this things but im so curious weather ive been atacked or not to supress technology that ill try with the simple magnetic overunity toy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any of that actually worked for anyone else but the ones who built them and made claims?

I've heard more than once about antigrav engines. The usual story is the thing worked
but it did so well that it broke the mountings and flew off into space. And the people
who built them got it right by accident and were never able to duplicate the original.
This is supposed to have happened to multiple independant teams, they all built machines
that they have no idea how to build another one or so I was told... by a clown I knew
who always some far out story and nothing to ever back it up.

Sorry but the float can work by other means than just tilt if it reacts with the water.
It only has to have a preference to slide one way more than the other. If the thing makes
waves and they rebound off a container wall on one side more than the other then that will
affect the movement with nothing to do with gyros. Let's not discuss wind or water flow,
let's just say it works right? At least until the external variables are eliminated and
then see what it does which is why I say suspend the thing in a no-wind environment or if
you can then run it in a shielded non-ferrous vaccuum chamber.

How much energy you put into the thing to get your half meter per minute move rate?
Enough to move the boat how fast? Come on, get real! It should move right along at 10%
efficiency, even less. Windup teeth will go a meter in seconds.

If any of that gyro propulsion really worked it would ceate a whole new physics and there
are many many many people in science who would love to see something as huge as a whole new
PRINCIPLE in physics. There's a long line waiting for tenure and something like that would
put any one of them past the head of the line and into an office, once they stop laughing.

Just post up a set of working drawings. You have your patent, right?

Check some time to see how many patented perpetual motion machines there are.
The makers can claim they work all day but until the machines can be made and used by
others... if it ain't repeatable then it ain't real. Simple as that.

BfHeFwMe
05-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Actually you've demonstrated every sign there is for a textbook Bi-polar case. I'd urge you to seek medical help, it's nothing to brush off, a very dangerous condition if left untreated.

WTE_Galway
05-08-2006, 06:45 PM
cats ..

buttered toast ...


the answer is there if you only look

LStarosta
05-08-2006, 07:11 PM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/positive10.jpg

RayBanJockey
05-09-2006, 10:31 PM
You can ride a skateboard up-hill without touching the ground, same principal as how you can do it on roller skates, or make a swing swing ... you just push against something that has resistance. For the stuff with rollers you just turn them sideways to their roll, push off that, then pull it to where you are going. For the stuff on water you are simply pushing against the wave in the direction you want to go (I do it on my surfboard when the wave is dying out), then when you are on the way back up you use the less friction to to gain ground ... its not rocket science .. same thing that is happening with the gizmo in the bathtub.

With regards to more relevant gyro action, you can do some pretty neat stuff in combat flight sims anytime you have a control surface or engine control that has a rubberband effect. They all involve gyrating the control mechanism (moving it back and forth) in tune such that the effect keeps getting larger and larger.

Some examples include the FW190 in CFS1, you could start bobbing it's nose up and down (in building gyrating fashon)and reach top speeds at sea level of about 100mph faster than you could just flying it without gyrating the joystick.

And IL2 is not immune either, in planes that have manual prop pitch (109 is a good one) you can gyrate the prop pitch to achieve greater acceleration and higher top speeds (albeit only about 18 km/hr faster) than could be got otherwise.

There are other things you can do of course, but as an online ace such technology needs to remain classified.

raaaid
05-10-2006, 07:11 AM
"moving it back and forth) in tune such that the effect keeps getting larger and larger. "

i dont understand this but seems very interesting

do you mean to create an oscillation on the plane of reducing frequency but increasing momentum?

im very interested on this i have the following tesla like theory:

all matter vibrates at a certain frequency, take water and give it an electric pulse syncronized with its frequency, why doenst resonate and break the molecule up?

because it just happens what rayban described the frequency of water slows so the electric pulse doesnt match the frecuency of water so they dont resonate any more

the key would be keeping adjusted the phrequency of water with the pulse, how? by lowering stair like the phrequency like this rubberband effect

what joysticks do this rubberband effect and is it called like that rubberband?

RayBanJockey
05-10-2006, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
"moving it back and forth) in tune such that the effect keeps getting larger and larger. "

i dont understand this but seems very interesting

do you mean to create an oscillation on the plane of reducing frequency but increasing momentum?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. The property needs to have a spring-like effect though so it can be "stretched" and wants to "bounce back" (because in a flight sim the controls are linear, not circular) You stretch it, then it wants to bounce back. You then use the bounce back energy and keep combining it.

Like you have a ball hanging from a spring (vetical situation with gravity) This is the at rest position. You drop your hand and the ball goes down. Then as the ball goes down you pull back up. The ball snaps back up, and as it is going up, you are already pulling down.

You then work out (through feel and trial and error) the maximum energy state that can be achieved via gyration. (and see if the effects have any usefull applications) Not sure what this can do in the real world, but in flight sim equations it can sometimes lead to greater speed/power, or freakish evasive maneuvers.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
im very interested on this i have the following tesla like theory:

all matter vibrates at a certain frequency, take water and give it an electric pulse syncronized with its frequency, why doenst resonate and break the molecule up?

because it just happens what rayban described the frequency of water slows so the electric pulse doesnt match the frecuency of water so they dont resonate any more

the key would be keeping adjusted the phrequency of water with the pulse, how? by lowering stair like the phrequency like this rubberband effect </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When you say "all matter vibrates at a certain frequency" I am no expert on physics, but what about at different temperatures? Do they vibrate at absolute zero the same as at 100 degrees celcius? (or is temperature vibration independent of atomic vibration) Some may be vibrating more than others but their net sum is the temperature. And regardless of vibration type, they may not be vibrating in the same plane, but in infinitely random planes (perhaps even if they are all magnetically alligned)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
what joysticks do this rubberband effect and is it called like that rubberband? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The joystick doesn't matter at all. The only thing that matters is a controller that can move something in 2 directions. In fact, for gyrating the prop pitch on the 109K4 you can use 2 buttons, one for 60% prop and one for 50%.

SeaFireLIV
05-10-2006, 05:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Actually you've demonstrated every sign there is for a textbook Bi-polar case. I'd urge you to seek medical help, it's nothing to brush off, a very dangerous condition if left untreated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Changed your mind then, BfHeFwMe? I wouldn`t go so far as to say what the condition maybe, but he does need offline professional advice....

And not about antigravity waffle either.

Burnzoire1
05-10-2006, 05:15 PM
The plane WILL take off!

djetz
05-10-2006, 07:14 PM
Why not? I mean, gravity is only a theory, like evolution.

(Special note for people who don't get sarcasm: the above is sarcasm.)

Anyhoo, raaaid does not exhibit anything like bipolar disorder, and I wish people who don't know what they're talking about wouldn't throw around words like bipolar.

Using big words to fool people into thinking you're clever only works when your audience doesn't know what the words actually mean. To someone familiar with mental illnesses and disorders, for instance, it makes you look like an idiot.

Treetop64
05-10-2006, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
cats ..

buttered toast ...


the answer is there if you only look </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFLMAO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I wish raaaid would conduct that experiment!

Freelancer-1
05-10-2006, 11:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by djetz:
Why not? I mean, gravity is only a theory, like evolution.

(Special note for people who don't get sarcasm: the above is sarcasm.)

Anyhoo, raaaid does not exhibit anything like bipolar disorder, and I wish people who don't know what they're talking about wouldn't throw around words like bipolar.

Using big words to fool people into thinking you're clever only works when your audience doesn't know what the words actually mean. To someone familiar with mental illnesses and disorders, for instance, it makes you look like an idiot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There have been many such diagnosses made about raaaid in the past.

Dr. SeaFire and Dr. BfHeFwMe are only the most recent. From what I've seen this stuff just bounces off raaaid.

For whatever reason this energy thing is his passion and I for one find it encoraging that there are still people who question standard dogma. The rest of the sheep can keep jumping over the fence.

WTE_Galway
05-10-2006, 11:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by djetz:
Why not? I mean, gravity is only a theory, like evolution.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No no no

Gravity is a LAW made by Newton.

If Newton had not made floating willy nilly up into the air illegal with his new "Law of Gravity" we would all be able to float away at will.



That not withstanding .. if God had meant man to fly we would have been born with propellors.

SeaFireLIV
05-11-2006, 04:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by djetz:
Why not? I mean, gravity is only a theory, like evolution.

(Special note for people who don't get sarcasm: the above is sarcasm.)

Anyhoo, raaaid does not exhibit anything like bipolar disorder, and I wish people who don't know what they're talking about wouldn't throw around words like bipolar.

Using big words to fool people into thinking you're clever only works when your audience doesn't know what the words actually mean. To someone familiar with mental illnesses and disorders, for instance, it makes you look like an idiot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There have been many such diagnosses made about raaaid in the past.

Dr. SeaFire and Dr. BfHeFwMe are only the most recent. From what I've seen this stuff just bounces off raaaid.

For whatever reason this energy thing is his passion and I for one find it encoraging that there are still people who question standard dogma. The rest of the sheep can keep jumping over the fence. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thankyou, Dr. Dali.

But really, I don`t presume anything. I only say what I feel from seeing months of him doing this and also admitting he has problems too.

Doesn`t take a Dr. to work out that a forum isn`t the best place for sympathy of this kind. People can be cruel here. I just fear that one day someone will really hurt him.

Anyway, it`s pointless and they`ll no doubt be many more of this. I guess watching Raaaid do this makes everyone else here feels so much more `sane`. I`ll speak no more in this thread.

djetz
05-11-2006, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
But really, I don`t presume anything. I only say what I feel from seeing months of him doing this and also admitting he has problems too.

Doesn`t take a Dr. to work out that a forum isn`t the best place for sympathy of this kind. People can be cruel here. I just fear that one day someone will really hurt him.

Anyway, it`s pointless and they`ll no doubt be many more of this. I guess watching Raaaid do this makes everyone else here feels so much more `sane`. I`ll speak no more in this thread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think all that many people here encourage raaaid to make themselves feel saner. It seems pretty unlikely to me. Some people find the argument interesting, some find it funny, and most people seem pretty tolerant of raaaid's eccentricities, which I find quite positive.

I don't see the prospect of anyone "really hurting" him as very likely, as Freelancer-1 says, the abuse seems to bounce off raaaaid. Which is good. As far as delusional thoughts go, raaaid's seem pretty benign.

I do get pißed off when people use "bipolar" as a synonym for "crazy" - particularly when "bipolar" is used to refer to someone who is clearly not suffering from bipolar disorder. Of course, I'm not a doctor, so my diagnosis is a worthless as anyone else's... but for the sake of argument, I'd be willing to stake my non-existant reputation on it.

WWMaxGunz
05-11-2006, 10:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Actually you've demonstrated every sign there is for a textbook Bi-polar case. I'd urge you to seek medical help, it's nothing to brush off, a very dangerous condition if left untreated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not a quote from someone who is trying to be a doctor and make a diagnosis at all.

If Raaaid has not seen a shrink then it may be a good idea that he does just because of
what he has posted about his breakdown unless it's all a joke.

I worked for an M/D person who would go off his lithium regularly and it was amazing the
stuff he'd get up to, even worse the things he would convince people of. Near the end he
went on an extended vacation away from his pills and was telling me about his part in a
secret plot with George Bush (the first one) and Princess Diana who was secretly alive.
We were to take a C-140 off from Dover AFB to Iraq where he would fly the plane and I
would lean out the window and shoot Saddam. It would be all right because he was friends
with the governor and once when he was with a friend at a GOP dinner his friend met Bush
who spoke to his friend but looked at him and gave him the secret code and mission.

It took me another 3 weeks to get the board to sign off on my stock options that are still
worthless thanks to that nutcase. I've been stuck in the car with him at the wheel and I
can say with a whole heart that I hope he dies without killing some others in the process.

It's all I need to know about bi-polar. I saw enough.

raaaid
05-13-2006, 05:32 AM
im not bipolar, im not squizophrenic, or at least never been diagnosed so

i went to the doctor a whole year and im still having medication but legally im not crazy i have full responsability of my acts

i think most people who were through what i was through would have some nervous breakdown

any how i admitt i have psycological problems, though quite mild

BUT this is not reason to put me down, it would be the same that if i admitted to be homosexual and people started to attack me cause of that

this varying radius gryo propulsion is very serious, and i reached independentaly the same conclusions than frolov and many more important scientists

there are also important scientist like bearden whom i think have said aids was biological warfare (bipolar i guess)

so im not bipolar, im not a menace for society, im just a little crazy, but again being crazy doenst mean a thing, in fact you should know most crazy people is harmless

and you break the rules much more by attacking me where you think you can hurt the most than me with the offtopics

people enjoy attacking me but nobody has given an answer on how if vertical conponent together with float tilt causes thrusts how comes that reversing sense it reverses thrust as well

still not a definitive prove but at least suspicious of gyros of varying radius to produce propulsion

by the way there might be only 100 people in the world working on this

how many millions are working in building weapons or oil related

and im crazy because i belong to a group of 100 when billions are in the other group of big bussines

WWMaxGunz
05-13-2006, 12:31 PM
You just lack focus.

Eliminate the interaction with surfaces or fluid.

Hang the engine from a swing and no fans, props or air jets allowed.

That is troubleshooting by eliminating external effects as able.

raaaid
05-13-2006, 02:49 PM
im working on beating the pendulum, i have a brand new design that is quite close to one from laithwaite ive seen

i think i could make awesome things, ive just deviced a remote controlled spinning top, it would go forward or wherever you want to

shame is i dont have skills to build this things and the skilled persons just ignore this stuff

raaaid
05-13-2006, 02:54 PM
im working on beating the pendulum, i have a brand new design that is quite close to one from laithwaite ive seen

i think i could make awesome things, ive just deviced a remote controlled spinning top, it would go forward or wherever you want to

shame is i dont have skills to build this things and the skilled p