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Treetop64
09-12-2006, 04:25 PM
...just wanted to state the obvious, that's all.

Treetop64
09-12-2006, 04:25 PM
...just wanted to state the obvious, that's all.

Airmail109
09-12-2006, 04:41 PM
....the force is strong with this one

Haigotron
09-12-2006, 05:36 PM
I fly it with 1 engine, and if that one gets toast, ill fly with the other, so its good to have a backup engine. Also, the stick has two ends, because if one is shot off, you can use the other

MEGILE
09-12-2006, 05:38 PM
Cue LexxLuthor and appropriate, Faster than the Luftwaffe Quote

LStarosta
09-12-2006, 05:46 PM
But can it do a -4G dive?

Treetop64
09-12-2006, 06:10 PM
Nuh-uhh!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

heywooood
09-12-2006, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
But can it do a -4G dive? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


-4g inverted dive whilst keeping up good foreign relations...

Divine-Wind
09-12-2006, 09:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Nuh-uhh!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Pfft, what wars did the Dornier 335 win!? The Stang won WWI, WWII, AND Korea.

Bumsechs.

Treetop64
09-12-2006, 09:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Nuh-uhh!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Pfft, what wars did the Dornier 335 win!? The Stang won WWI, WWII, AND Korea.

Bumsechs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shuddup. I'm thinkin'...

VW-IceFire
09-12-2006, 09:30 PM
Darn fast. Tried to intercept them in a P-39Q-10 in a dive at full power with rads closed, no luck. Did it again in a Yak-9U at full clip again...no luck (nearly managed to catch him this time). Did it in a Tempest...just managed to reach gun range before he was able to pull ahead.

Its a speed demon...and we have the slow version with no MW50 boost!

Straight line, low level contests...its no contest...the Do-335 is faster than virtually any other prop fighter.

Treetop64
09-12-2006, 09:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
But can it do a -4G dive? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


-4g inverted dive whilst keeping up good foreign relations... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...and spreadin' freedom and democracy throughout the middle east...

ForkTailedDevil
09-12-2006, 09:53 PM
On paper it would seem a Mk3 Stang might catch a Do335

TeufelHund84
09-12-2006, 10:32 PM
Well then let us hope they don't fly on paper but rather fly on uh...air? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

LEBillfish
09-12-2006, 10:42 PM
Me163 pwns Duh335.....I kill many religiously, but it keeps giving me a negative score, must be a bug... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

leitmotiv
09-12-2006, 11:57 PM
Billfish just got her Knight's Cross revoked.

Do 335 v P-47D '44, or whatever they called their last, hottest game 47, is a great brawl.

BBB_Hyperion
09-13-2006, 01:43 AM
Do335 isnt fast enough but it can climb be sure .)

BiscuitKnight
09-13-2006, 03:25 AM
I'll take all comers in the He-162 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
09-13-2006, 04:55 AM
The He 162 is the sportsman's mount. I like to take on 16 P-51Ds with 2 of them.

R988z
09-13-2006, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Darn fast. Tried to intercept them in a P-39Q-10 in a dive at full power with rads closed, no luck. Did it again in a Yak-9U at full clip again...no luck (nearly managed to catch him this time). Did it in a Tempest...just managed to reach gun range before he was able to pull ahead.

Its a speed demon...and we have the slow version with no MW50 boost!

Straight line, low level contests...its no contest...the Do-335 is faster than virtually any other prop fighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

late P-47 can keep up. just.

BiscuitKnight
09-13-2006, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The He 162 is the sportsman's mount. I like to take on 16 P-51Ds with 2 of them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the stuff! Nothing quite like seeing those hapless yanks try to follow your vertical climb, buzzing like angry bees when they're left behind by your wailing banshee.

I haven't found any appropriately awe inspiring skins for the He-162, unfortunately, though I only checked a few sites. I made a rough skin by copying a Bf-110 pattern that was in Murmansk to Morocco, basically painted a big square of it and just use that. It's rough as guts, but after I spent three hours making a perfect version only to find that, though I'd painstakingly painted over the void, it wasn't lining up in the game at all, I rather lost interest in making a high quality skin.

Great plane though, if the Germans had made the choice to build light fighters, rather than hulking beasts like the Me-262, maybe the war would have dragged on a little longer.

leitmotiv
09-13-2006, 09:58 AM
So right, BiscuitKnight, bar none it is the greatest maneuver combat fighter in the game---an MG---compared to it the 262 is a 1950s finned Cadillac! Alas, I can't recall where I saw a skin pack, but there is one, I think---try the Maddox skins forum.

Longpo
09-13-2006, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Me163 pwns Duh335.....I kill many religiously, but it keeps giving me a negative score, must be a bug... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Vacillator
09-13-2006, 10:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
So right, BiscuitKnight, bar none it is the greatest maneuver combat fighter in the game---an MG---compared to it the 262 is a 1950s finned Cadillac! Alas, I can't recall where I saw a skin pack, but there is one, I think---try the Maddox skins forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are He162 skins here:

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/listings.php?cat_id=526

but they may not be as appropriately awe inspiring as desired http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Dang those ground crew for not using gaudy paint.

leitmotiv
09-13-2006, 10:14 AM
Magnificent, Vacillator---thank you very much!

Genie-
09-13-2006, 11:05 AM
Do335 is a dog.

Try fying staight with few degrees nose up and watch the speed.

marc_hawkins
09-13-2006, 11:24 AM
Canon does a nice He-162 skin too:

http://www.canons-skins.com//he_162.htm

mortoma1958
09-13-2006, 09:58 PM
The Do-335 we have in game is not the fastest prop fighter period at all heights. It's only the fastest one up higher than 5000 meters or so. Except the TA-152 which is faster above 7500 to 8000 meters. At ground level there it's only a hair faster than quite a few planes. But only one will totally own it at ground level and that's the Mustang Mk. III, which is considerably faster down low than the Phiel. But it's faster than all others up high.

Sea level speeds of the fastest prop aircraft in the sim ( in order, faster to slower ):

Muistang Mk. III - 635 KPH
DO-335 ----------- 609
FW-190D9 --------- 607
I-185 M-71 ------- 601
LA-7 ------------- 600
TA-152 ----------- 594
P-51D ------------ 590
P-63C ------------ 589
FW-190A9 --------- 586

With a top TAS of 773 at 6500 meters, no other prop plane can touch it up high, not even TA-152 unless higher than 8000 meters. Because the DO will start losing speed higher than 6500 mts.

BBB_Hyperion
09-14-2006, 02:11 AM
How about the continous climb any other prop fighter can beat it ?

Topspeed isnt all and who fly only at top speed at sea level does not use his aircraft right.

BiscuitKnight
09-14-2006, 03:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vacillator:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
So right, BiscuitKnight, bar none it is the greatest maneuver combat fighter in the game---an MG---compared to it the 262 is a 1950s finned Cadillac! Alas, I can't recall where I saw a skin pack, but there is one, I think---try the Maddox skins forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are He162 skins here:

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/listings.php?cat_id=526

but they may not be as appropriately awe inspiring as desired http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Dang those ground crew for not using gaudy paint. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aye, those are pretty nice skins; I get most of my skins from flying legends, but the trouble is they're pretty much all similar historical skins, good quality work, but not what I'm looking for.

I want something more like this:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4475/salamanderza5.jpg

anarchy52
09-14-2006, 05:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma1958:
Sea level speeds of the fastest prop aircraft in the sim ( in order, faster to slower ):

Muistang Mk. III - 635 KPH
DO-335 ----------- 609
FW-190D9 --------- 607
I-185 M-71 ------- 601
LA-7 ------------- 600
TA-152 ----------- 594
P-51D ------------ 590
P-63C ------------ 589
FW-190A9 --------- 586
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
With rads closed Do-335 does 617km/h at sea level (I flew around 30m and engaged the level stabilizer).

JG52Karaya-X
09-14-2006, 09:20 AM
The Do335 IMO does not provide a great fighter but it sure is THE nightmare of any bomber pilot. The Mk103 will make mince-meat out of anything with a couple of hits.

Stay low, keep an eye out for those IL2s, Pe2/3s, A20Gs, B25s and make them wet their pants in horror http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

OldMan____
09-14-2006, 09:25 AM
The A8 and A9 can already do that pretty well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jaws2002
09-14-2006, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Genie-:
Do335 is a dog.

Try fying staight with few degrees nose up and watch the speed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would someone fly straight with the nose up? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

OldMan____
09-14-2006, 09:33 AM
So they can smell who is in front of them?

Jaws2002
09-14-2006, 09:43 AM
The Dornier is a monster. It has a lot of horse power and can fly really fast. Combine that with great high altitude performance, outstanding maneuverability at high speed, awesome fire power, second engine to bring you home, no torque, and last but not the least huge bomb load carried internally and you got on your hands an outstanding machine.

But is not the ride for the usual Bf-109G2 driver.

leitmotiv
09-14-2006, 09:47 AM
Anybody who denigrates the Do 335 as a fighter for fighter v fighter brawling hasn't used one for this purpose. I think it is a very interesting fighter v fighter mount---just as long as you remember you aren't flying a Bf 109. The beast can climb and it has devastating firepower---a MK103 and two MG151s---good grief---Murder Incorporated. The biggest impediment while using it is the lack of a rear-view mirror (these were to be fitted on the production versions, Oleg chose the A-0 pre-production test series).

Sintubin
09-14-2006, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
The Dornier is a monster. It has a lot of horse power and can fly really fast. Combine that with great high altitude performance, outstanding maneuverability at high speed, awesome fire power, second engine to bring you home, no torque, and last but not the least huge bomb load carried internally and you got on your hands an outstanding machine.

But is not the ride for the usual Bf-109G2 driver. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Amen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Like you say not for bf109-g2 joks

Sintubin
09-14-2006, 10:05 AM
I had a fight in bf 109 vs spits in DO-335

i boom en zoom the **** out of spity and pony's

Genie-
09-14-2006, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
The Dornier is a monster. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

we are talking about the game not the real thing here

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
It has a lot of horse power and can fly really fast. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

now you sound like

"This car has such a great wheels! It must be sooo fast!"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Combine that with great high altitude performance, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

where no fight is made (remember we are talking abut the game)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
outstanding maneuverability at high speed,

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you did try to make a little turn with that dog I hope, right?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
awesome fire power,
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah well.. that is true.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
second engine to bring you home, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahahahaha.. hahahahaha.. uuhuuhuu...

now you have just made my day hahaha...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

you can only PRAY that your pursuer would blind from the sun or crash in the ground and that there is NO enemy plane miles away if you wanna come home on one engine.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
no torque,
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah..well..again true

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
and last but not the least huge bomb load carried internally and you got on your hands an outstanding machine.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well.. just dont try to climb after dropping a bomb...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
But is not the ride for the usual Bf-109G2 driver. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...now imagine a Spit driver....

Jaws2002
09-14-2006, 12:47 PM
We either don't fly the same game or you really suck at it.

bienenbaer
09-14-2006, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Do 335 v P-47D '44, or whatever they called their last, hottest game 47, is a great brawl. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I cannibalized one of Ian Fletcher Defence of the Reich missions (JG2_33) and put

8 Do-338, 4 Bf-109G-10, 4 Bf-109G-14

vs 8 P-47D (late), 8 P38J

I am a bad pilot and a miserable marksman and I shot down 1 P-47 and 1 P-38 (1st sortie) and 3 P-47 (2nd sortie), just by keeping my speed up high and turning on any P-47 not to far off (!) my course, sometimes following them in a dive. Only one time a P-47 came into my six, but I effortlessly escaped in level-flight.

Prevailing in a Pfeil against a P-47D (late) does not merit the Ritterkreuz.

Quite entertaining, though ...

p1ngu666
09-14-2006, 02:03 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//dovsdora.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//dovsmossie.jpg

wow, such awful performance..

and the staticish roc upto 5750metres (presumeably errornously) will mean u probably outclimb any other plane at some point, and are almost certainly faster...

vs the mossie, its MUCH quicker, much better roc, higher bombload, good guns, really good all height performance, and when ive flown it its been a really good fighter...

sure its the preproduction model, but then its benchmark appoents are similerly crippled (mossie, tempest)

plus it has great handling...

leitmotiv
09-15-2006, 01:49 AM
Good grief, bienenbaer, if you are as appalling a virtual pilot as you declare, you should be grateful to your faithful Do 335 for turning you into a terror! With full realism, I am lucky to bring down two opponents before my ammunition runs out in any airplane---unless I am hunting SBs in a Finnish Hurricane I!

Doug_Thompson
09-15-2006, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
How about the continous climb any other prop fighter can beat it ?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Late-model P-47, just barely and at certain altitudes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Do335 IMO does not provide a great fighter but it sure is THE nightmare of any bomber pilot. The Mk103 will make mince-meat out of anything with a couple of hits.

Stay low, keep an eye out for those IL2s, Pe2/3s, A20Gs, B25s and make them wet their pants in horror http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

bienenbaer
09-17-2006, 06:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Good grief, bienenbaer, if you are as appalling a virtual pilot as you declare, you should be grateful to your faithful Do 335 for turning you into a terror! With full realism, I am lucky to bring down two opponents before my ammunition runs out in any airplane---unless I am hunting SBs in a Finnish Hurricane I! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the compliment, yet I am not an "Experte". First I do not fly with full realism, but with these settings:

- cockpit on; as I found WW-View does not let your skills grow.
- externals on: although I only use F3 but not F6. F3 is kind of a wingman+ to me, although actually in that mission I NEVER HAD A TUG IN MY SIX but for once, where I deliberately provoked it by passing a Tug near in my high 9 oclock. He dived at me, but I outran him, for then to turn on him and his wingman some minutes later. (I am working on overcoming this bad habit)
- padlock on: I find that a very realistic option; I have a TrackIR as well, but somehow it gives me a pain in the neck after some time
- icons on: I am not ashamed, it's a game, it's not ment to put stress on my eyes (very different in real life , of course)

As for the three kills:

No 1 received some hits in the beginning of his 350m evasion manouvre (beginners luck). I did not follow him in the dive, I was later told I brought him down.
No 2 was true luck: I was climbing after a dive, a Tug dived in the opposite direction straight towards me, following another Pfeil downwards. By chance I hit him in hood and cockpit in head-on.
No 3 was late luck: After having spend all 30mm ammo, I hit one Tug in its left wing with my last 20mm rounds. He flew on and while I was landing ten minutes later I was told he went down.

Summary: The game Do-335 is really kind of Uber-Vogel.

Would the real one have been too? As usual, I am sceptical:

- Eric Brown tells the Farnborough one crashed, because the steering chords ripped, when the rear engine overheated. I would find this insane for any airplane.
- I find the in-game Pfeil unsuitable for attacking bomber formations. You get a hit in the fuselage all to soon, setting the rear engine on fire. If that was the same in real, then its no use as a destroyer. However, in-game and real-life may not be the the same. The Me-163 in game is great for taking on B-17, because you hardly suffer damage in that small plane. The real Me-163 did not do so well.
- Assume the Pfeil would have come into service in 45/46. At that time it would have met P-51H and P-80 that both were faster and more manouverable.

Enough.

P.S.: Did you ever try 4 Do-335 vs. 4 SpitIX 25lbs?

Brain32
09-17-2006, 07:23 AM
Do335 is fast, that's it. It was a really good plane in v403 but they did something in v404 and now it's just another fast flying brick with good weapons. It's still a solid JABO - if there is no flak as engine DM is realistic unlike MerlinXX...

HuninMunin
09-17-2006, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BiscuitKnight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vacillator:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
So right, BiscuitKnight, bar none it is the greatest maneuver combat fighter in the game---an MG---compared to it the 262 is a 1950s finned Cadillac! Alas, I can't recall where I saw a skin pack, but there is one, I think---try the Maddox skins forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are He162 skins here:

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/listings.php?cat_id=526

but they may not be as appropriately awe inspiring as desired http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Dang those ground crew for not using gaudy paint. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aye, those are pretty nice skins; I get most of my skins from flying legends, but the trouble is they're pretty much all similar historical skins, good quality work, but not what I'm looking for.

I want something more like this:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4475/salamanderza5.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think of this one?
I made it as a "try-out" color study for the new 162s we'll get in '46, losely based on this (http://www.luft46.com/ghart/gh162d-6.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4954/1621ox5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8765/1622iw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

JadehawkII
09-17-2006, 10:14 AM
here are some shots of some jets I did for North Afrika.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/He-162A-2_15a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/RAF_1a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/Go-229A-1_35a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/Go-229A-1_30a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/Go-229A-1_29a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/Go-229A-1_32a.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

leitmotiv
09-17-2006, 12:13 PM
You are exactly right, bienenbaer. Virtually I am the world's greatest Me 163 pilot. I make slashing attacks which leave a trail of smoking B-17s in my wake. Afterwards I feel like a million dollars, er, marks. All this is dependent on my ignoring a lifetime of reading about the 163 since Mano Ziegler's book back in 1965. Granted, I have probably had 100 times the hours in the 163 of any pilot, including Opitz, in the aircraft---speaking very euphemistically, of course! My eyes are going bad, too, and I suspect I will be retired from flight simming before long---blast it all!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, I haven't tried the 335 vs the Spit 25---I will, thank you---I'll bet they tear the poor Dornier beasts to pieces!

P.S. Is "bienenbaer" the equivalent of English "honey bear"?

LEBillfish
09-17-2006, 12:51 PM
Remember.........1946 scenarios should use b-29's instead of B17's & 24's.....A very long lived bomber even post war.

bienenbaer
09-17-2006, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
You are exactly right, bienenbaer. Virtually I am the world's greatest Me 163 pilot. I make slashing attacks which leave a trail of smoking B-17s in my wake. Afterwards I feel like a million dollars, er, marks. All this is dependent on my ignoring a lifetime of reading about the 163 since Mano Ziegler's book back in 1965. Granted, I have probably had 100 times the hours in the 163 of any pilot, including Opitz, in the aircraft---speaking very euphemistically, of course! My eyes are going bad, too, and I suspect I will be retired from flight simming before long---blast it all!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, I haven't tried the 335 vs the Spit 25---I will, thank you---I'll bet they tear the poor Dornier beasts to pieces!

P.S. Is "bienenbaer" the equivalent of English "honey bear"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Bienenbaer" is the bavarian nick-name for "Hummel", that is bumble-bee. Literally it means bee-bear, which hits the nail on the head; of that poor bumble-bee and my flying style.

bienenbaer
09-17-2006, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Remember.........1946 scenarios should use b-29's instead of B17's & 24's.....A very long lived bomber even post war. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Almost. In my heydays as rocketeer I could take out up to 2 B-17 with one load of ammo and damage 1 other. As for the B-29 it was always up to 2; the second one with the last ammo.

In fact, it was easier to attack a formation of B-29 because their defence fire is much less fierce and precise than that of the B-17.

@Leitmotiv: How many B-17s do you score with one round of Komet ammo? One of my friends used to achieve 3-4 ...

ploughman
09-17-2006, 01:13 PM
B-29s? Surely you mean Tu-4s.

leitmotiv
09-17-2006, 01:17 PM
I'd wager my best assault was to down two---maybe three, but I doubt it. What really makes my day is if I take down one 17G with the initial head-on pass!

I reserve the B-29 for the Go 229, Billfish, which I rate as the best speculative bomber killer in the system because of its speed and, especially, the two MK103s---my absolute favorite cannon (but it is not the same to strap two under a 190A-8 and watch it teeter and wobble at 22,000 feet---no, with the 229 you can use them for quick, devastating snap bursts from all angles and at long range---what a kick!).

leitmotiv
09-17-2006, 01:19 PM
My "flying" ability ranges from elegant to "shot at dawn."

bienenbaer
09-17-2006, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
B-29s? Surely you mean Tu-4s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

B-29s. I had some missions dubbed "Blossoms of Shoda" that were about attacking B-29s high above Kyushu with "Ki-200 Shusui" in some very beautiful japanese skins from il2skins.

Xiolablu3
09-17-2006, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
The Dornier is a monster. It has a lot of horse power and can fly really fast. Combine that with great high altitude performance, outstanding maneuverability at high speed, awesome fire power, second engine to bring you home, no torque, and last but not the least huge bomb load carried internally and you got on your hands an outstanding machine.

But is not the ride for the usual Bf-109G2 driver. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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If the pilot has mastered energy fighting (ie he is a reasonable pilot) then the Do335 is a fantastic plane.

If he is still horizontal turnfighting, then he is not going to like the Dornier.

Its a fantastic plane, with its big bomb load and incredible speed. Its like a Mosquito was in 1942, barely catchable by any fighter.

Yet it has the added advatage of reasonable agility too. You can be pretty untouchable vs usual oppostion of Spitfire 25lbs/Yak3/La7/P51 etc if you fly intelligently..

p1ngu666
09-17-2006, 01:56 PM
id agree with that, havent flown it for awhile tho.

me163 had problems irl due to the huge closing speed

JG52Karaya-X
09-17-2006, 02:19 PM
Well all of the jets or, to be more correct, their pilots had big problems at first with the associated closing speeds. In Johannes Steinhoff's book "In letzter Stunde" he narrates how frustrated he was when he engaged a bunch of russian fighters in his Me262A1a and found it impossible to hit them because he barely had a few secs to aquire a target, get a gun solution and fire off a burst.

Doug_Thompson
09-17-2006, 05:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bienenbaer:

- I find the in-game Pfeil unsuitable for attacking bomber formations. You get a hit in the fuselage all to soon, setting the rear engine on fire. If that was the same in real, then its no use as a destroyer. However, in-game and real-life may not be the the same. The Me-163 in game is great for taking on B-17, because you hardly suffer damage in that small plane. The real Me-163 did not do so well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This raises a good point. The Pfeil is a large target. Besides the huge fuselage full of engines, the wing area is enormous.

The only countermeasure is to use that great climb to get a big height advantage, then dive and roar past very fast.

Of course, if I tried that online, somebody with a nose-mounted cannon in a P-38, for instance, would put a 20mm round right in my rear engine during the climb.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
- Assume the Pfeil would have come into service in 45/46. At that time it would have met P-51H and P-80 that both were faster and more manouverable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, there's no reason the Pfeil couldn't have been available in '44. It didn't get priority. Dornier has been pushing it for years, but nobody picked it up. Then, when it did get priority, Junkers (I believe) kept producing its own planes because it made a bigger profit on those.

In short, the plane suffered from the same "short war" attitude that killed other promising projects.

Doug_Thompson
09-17-2006, 06:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">P.S.: Did you ever try 4 Do-335 vs. 4 SpitIX 25lbs? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but I've flown one Do-335 vs. 4 Spit IX 25lbs may times -- offline, admittedly.

It was easier before a patch toned down the Dornier, but it's still the same pattern. Climb away (the Spit has a better climb but lower speed, so the Dornier still pulls away.) Then dive back and take one out.

I sure I would have remembered if I'd ever taken out all four, but I always got two or three.

Badsight-
09-18-2006, 03:03 AM
after using the single Mk-103 in the Pfeil , it brings home just how much the twin 103's in the Go-229 own

its like the single nose 108 in a Bf-109 compared to the twin 108's in the 262-a2

leitmotiv
09-18-2006, 04:21 AM
The MK103 is my absolute favorite weapon. The Go 229 can do astonishing things to bombers at long range with a battery of two. Against fighters the 335 is Murder Inc. Too bad we didn't get the bomber killer 335 as an option---it had an armored windscreen, rear-view mirrors, and two MK103s.

bienenbaer
09-18-2006, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
P.S.: Did you ever try 4 Do-335 vs. 4 SpitIX 25lbs?


No, but I've flown one Do-335 vs. 4 Spit IX 25lbs may times -- offline, admittedly.

It was easier before a patch toned down the Dornier, but it's still the same pattern. Climb away (the Spit has a better climb but lower speed, so the Dornier still pulls away.) Then dive back and take one out.

I sure I would have remembered if I'd ever taken out all four, but I always got two or three. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, in the first off-line 4 Do-335 x 4 vs. Spit 25lbs sortie I suffered badly, the second brought 1 score, and in 3rd I scored 3.

It came when I suddenly realized that one does not need to follow the Spits through the usual 350m evasion manouevres, which is possible with a lighter fighter, but hard in the Pfeil. You can own him from within 450m, you need just one good second of burst from the MK103, while the AI still thinks its safe.

@Leitmotiv: Didn't Luthier post on this forum that the Do-335-B-1 destroyer will be flyable in 4.07?

DuxCorvan
09-18-2006, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Too bad we didn't get the bomber killer 335 as an option---it had an armored windscreen, rear-view mirrors, and two MK103s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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luftluuver
09-18-2006, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The MK103 is my absolute favorite weapon. The Go 229 can do astonishing things to bombers at long range with a battery of two. Against fighters the 335 is Murder Inc. Too bad we didn't get the bomber killer 335 as an option---it had an armored windscreen, rear-view mirrors, and two MK103s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The 335B had 3 MK103s and 2 MG151/20s. One MK103 in each wing and one MK103 engine mounted.

The modelling of the nose wheel would have to be re-done as as it retracted the wheel rotated 45*.

p1ngu666
09-18-2006, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The MK103 is my absolute favorite weapon. The Go 229 can do astonishing things to bombers at long range with a battery of two. Against fighters the 335 is Murder Inc. Too bad we didn't get the bomber killer 335 as an option---it had an armored windscreen, rear-view mirrors, and two MK103s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The 335B had 3 MK103s and 2 MG151/20s. One MK103 in each wing and one MK103 engine mounted.

The modelling of the nose wheel would have to be re-done as as it retracted the wheel rotated 45*. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

just use the secret wheel tech off yak3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

leitmotiv
09-18-2006, 02:33 PM
Right you are, luftluvver. I don't know where I found that story the engine 103 was dropped. The two best sources on the 335 confirm your correction:

DORNIER 335 ARROW. Smith, Creek, and Hitchcock. (page 115)

DORNIER Do 335: AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY. Regnat. (page 153)