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sgilewicz
07-09-2004, 08:41 AM
I've just finished a Russian fighter pilot campaign and Operation Barbarossa as a 190 pilot. Now I am going to start a BOE campaign as an American pilot. Since BOE is supposed to have a great deal of mud moving which American fighter is best with the current FB flight models? I really don't want to be down low with a plane that can't take punishment or deal it out.

sgilewicz
07-09-2004, 08:41 AM
I've just finished a Russian fighter pilot campaign and Operation Barbarossa as a 190 pilot. Now I am going to start a BOE campaign as an American pilot. Since BOE is supposed to have a great deal of mud moving which American fighter is best with the current FB flight models? I really don't want to be down low with a plane that can't take punishment or deal it out.

Zeus-cat
07-09-2004, 08:47 AM
The P-47 is my first choice. Great loadouts, fairly tough and you can dogfight with it too.

The P-51 is a better dogfighter, but you get one pair of bombs and no rockets so it is limited for mud-moving.

The P-38 has more interesting loadout choices than either the 47 or 51, but I find it is a little too fragile for mud-moving when there is a lot of AAA present. Fuel tank leaks when flying over AAA are guaranteed in that plane.

I suggest you try the 47 and the 38 and decide for yourself.

Zeus-cat

sgilewicz
07-09-2004, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the advice. I wasn't aware that the P38 was prone to fuel leaks and I will certainly bear this in mind. My concern with using the P47 as you suggest is what to do if I am bounced while attacking a ground target. My understanding is that the jug was an excellent high altitude fighter but could get it's pilot in trouble when dogfighting down low. Are there some special tactics to use when "low and slow" in this plane. Thanks

tttiger
07-09-2004, 11:46 AM
The Jug is tougher and can pull out of high speed dives much better than the P-38 (which has a bigger load-out).

Hit Tab-8-1 (ask the controller for help) and get top cover well BEFORE you arrive at target (I do it shortly after takeoff on a ground attack mission). They'll stay with you the whole way. If you use your AI friendlies correctly, you'll have plenty of help and a more realistic mission.

Have fun!

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

sgilewicz
07-09-2004, 11:53 AM
tttiger,

I learn something new each day with this game. I was completely unaware that I could call for my own escort. This will certainly give ground attack missions a better chance of success. Thanks so much!

Zeus-cat
07-09-2004, 01:03 PM
tttiger is correct in that the P-47 is a lot tougher. I forgot to mention that.

I swear that the P-38 has glass fuel tanks! Fuel leaks in the 38 seem to be worse than those on the 47 too. I have run out of fuel a lot faster in the 38 after a leak than with the 47. Carry at least 50% fuel (75% on larger maps) if you expect significant AAA. Be prepared to return to base immediately if you get serious fuel leaks. Running out of gas over enemy territory is a real pain.

Don't get me wrong, both planes are fun to fly. I really do suggest that you try them both for a few missions before picking one and starting a long campaign. The two engines in the 38 make it fun to fly. Make sure you set up fire extinguishers and prop feathering if you fly the 38. I once had to feather both props on the 38 after I ran out of gas! I was just off the coast attacking a U-boat when I hung around too long after fuel leaks. I had to feather both props to reduce drag enough to get back to base for a dead stick landing. Made it to base, but screwed up the landing anyway.

With the 38, you can lose an engine, shut it down and still make it home. Landing on one engine is quite difficult, but not impossible.

Practice landing both planes before starting a campaign. The P-47 is so heavy it takes forever to burn off speed in your approach. I bounce the P-38 all over the place when I land.

Takeoffs with the P-47 and a full load are tough too. The jug acts like a pig with 2,000 pounds of bombs and rockets when you takeoff. If you start missions on the short Normandy (grass) runways you can forget about carrying the full bomb loads. You'll never get off the ground. Once you get to the concrete runways you can carry the full load.

Zeus-cat

Torric
07-09-2004, 09:50 PM
Where are you getting these campaigns, especially BOE, and what version of the game do I need to play them? I have v 2.0

Zeus-cat
07-09-2004, 09:57 PM
Boe is a paid add-on. It is available from Justflight.com. Go to their website or search through other threads here for more details.

Zeus-cat

Torric
07-09-2004, 10:13 PM
Thx Zeus-Cat

Rebel_Yell_21
07-10-2004, 02:21 AM
After you've played it through, then edit it so you can fly a YP-80. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

http://www.303rdbga.com/art-ferris-fortress-S.jpg

sgilewicz
07-10-2004, 11:16 AM
Rebel_Yell_21 two questions:

I know the YP-80 would give me a big speed advantage but what would it's advantages be for mud moving? Does it have better loadout than the 38 or 47? Also how do you edit BOE to enable the 80? Thanks

Rebel_Yell_21
07-10-2004, 12:47 PM
Go here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=752106344) for editing planes into campaigns. See 1st post on page 2 for using YP-80. Its locked out of campaign and has to be manually switched to each mission.

As far as mudmoving, it can't hold a candle to the 47 or 38, but it is just a fun change of pace for the escort missions and strafing, etc.

Kind of a "what might have been".

http://www.303rdbga.com/art-ferris-fortress-S.jpg