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xrvjorn
10-01-2004, 09:40 AM
Just gave America's Army a spin. I haven't played FPS much (prefer sims) but since it's free I gave it a try.

The online culture was a trifle different compared with IL2/FB, mildly put. Foul language, whining, personal insults being exchanged, condescending attitude towards noobs, immaturity in general etc etc.

There has been some complaining here about bad behaviour on HL. It happens, but it's not the norm (and you never see it from the RCAF or CPS guys, just to mention a few examples, so it's usually easy to find yourself a server with a nice crowd).

In short, if you appreciate the atmosphere in the IL2/FB game rooms, you'd do so even more after experiencing the abysmal contrast to Am Army game rooms.

It's a good thing I prefer sims to shooters anyway. Could be an age thing, perhaps?

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2004, 10:48 AM
It's easy to see why that's the case.
IL-2 makes an attempt to simulate a complex subject, while A'sA is just an excuse to do Playstation on your PC and just go around "blowing sh** up".

IL-2 has much more of a learning curve, and usually requires an attention span to enjoy.

So, naturally, the idiots and pimple-faced keWdOodZ gravitate towards gamier fare. And their forums reflect the audience.

For a really interesting viewpoint on that dynamic in action, look at WWIIOL's forums. The forums for the FPS troops are a lot worse than those for the flight module, because the same conditions exist for those respective modules.

crazyivan1970
10-01-2004, 10:51 AM
I usually don`t agree with Stiglr, but this one is spot on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Besides the fact that IL2 community is averaging in mid 30s, while majority of FPS games in 16s.

lil_labbit
10-01-2004, 03:53 PM
Well...
Come to UBI AEP chat room http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
You'll find some real "nice" specimen of a$$holes there now and then too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But overall we're a fine community http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RevvinUK
10-01-2004, 04:03 PM
Agree with much of what Stiglr says apart from the bit about the WWIIOL forums. I still keep it bookmarked and visit when the urge to re-subscribe comes over me, to read those forums is a reminder of why I cancelled my account. Constant bickering about whose FM is porked and which side CRS is biased towards. Whining over whose plane is a dweeb ride and how they are superior because they fly plane X. Arguing over who should get what plane next with the other side countering with the belief it will give the other team too much of an advantage.

Of course you get this to a certain extent in other flight sim forums but in general it's a bit of good natured banter, they don't call the WWIIOL forums the 'Playskool forums' for nothing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Supr
10-01-2004, 04:14 PM
Man, do you believe one of those kids called me g@y. Wow, I dont know if I'll ever recover. What a genius insult to throw at a man with a family and a mortgage payment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

diomedes33
10-01-2004, 04:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lil_labbit:
Well...
Come to UBI AEP chat room http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
You'll find some real "nice" specimen of a$$holes there now and then too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But its a more refined a-hole.
Most of the more opinionated here, have some sort of logical thought backing up their statements. (Whether their logic is logical to the others is another story)

It seems that the FPS groups tend to degenerate to elementary playground name calling when tempers flare.

JG52_Helgstrand
10-01-2004, 05:01 PM
I know what you guys are saying. I was playing COD online and someone called me a moron for discovering his hideing place. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Man my confidence was shattered, I ran back to FB with my tail between my legs... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

alarmer
10-01-2004, 05:02 PM
Overall I say better than average too, but one thing still annoyes me.

Why on earth must every second fellow getting shot down have a explanation why he got shot down?

I mean who cares about "I was on a phone" , "You had an advantage", "my joystic runned out of batteries" and the list goes on.

Artic_Wulf
10-01-2004, 05:35 PM
Ive been in WW II Online for the last few months while waiting for the release of Pacific fighters, and I find that in WW II Online they are pretty well behaved.
I like that Virtual Battle field concept very immersive.

Am looking forward to PF though.

S!

p1ngu666
10-01-2004, 06:03 PM
oi, theres nothing wrong with my swearing...
you will find yourself loving it rather quickly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
like the clart u knows u are http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-01-2004, 06:12 PM
You know there is a lot to be said for disabling the chat feature in a lot of games out there. This is one of the few online games I have played where there generally seems to be a much more relaxed and forgiving community attitude and is probably the reason I have stuck with it for as long as I have. Course the forum is a different story all togeather http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Holycannoli
10-01-2004, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Man, do you believe one of those kids called me g@y. Wow, I dont know if I'll ever recover. What a genius insult to throw at a man with a family and a mortgage payment. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, look at McGreevey in NJ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But seriously, FPS games are plagued with immature gamers. Maybe that's why I dislike them so much. Add the fact that America's Army is free and playable by any degenerate with a comp and you have yourself a terrible game community.

RedDeth
10-02-2004, 01:52 PM
i notice dagos and polocks always break left... is that a cultural differance?

krauts always come out of the sun too i notice

limeys are always at the respawn point on tea break

the commies are always vulchin in the server

the japs are always flyin around on fire

and the YANKS won the War ~!!!!!

F19_Ob
10-02-2004, 03:37 PM
I have seen pretty ugly things in online FB too.....but after some drinks I only care about keeping my sights on the foes and not to giggle on the TS channel.
This way I dont get so embarrassed when some people talk rubbish.

I Sleep well .... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-02-2004, 04:02 PM
Kinda hard to take offence from anyone with a silver dot on their forhead and who knows the exact engine capacity of an unladen FW-190.

sunflower1
10-02-2004, 04:06 PM
I guess Balrog sorta said all there is to say on that one.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-02-2004, 04:23 PM
Ahh but is that an African FW-190 or a European one ?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

1.JaVA_Hornet
10-02-2004, 04:38 PM
I am flying in a group (1.java).
This is a dutch group. It`s very nice.
The people are very nice and you can learn
things from them.

I have played cod. And I stopped with playing
because many people on ventrilo or ts are
very rude or impolite. My cod cd`s are lying
here and i give them away!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-02-2004, 06:10 PM
Its the nature of the beast with FPS death match and sadly there is little participants have in common except the desire to stomp you into the ground screaming DIE DIE DIE. Me I find the only decent game play to be had in a fps is in the form of CTF or COOP based missions where at least you generaly are all working to achieve the same goal. But as is so often the case with online gaming the only way to truely enjoy it is to get yourself involved with a squad or group of freinds so you can at least share and laugh at the experiance. Its no fun being a lone gun in a world full of gunslingers.

LStarosta
10-03-2004, 10:21 AM
The more difficult and less accessible a game is, the more tight knit and mature the community is. I shudder at the thought of MOHAA and CoD.. Just go to www.codfiles.com (http://www.codfiles.com) and read the file comments. It's just reaking with lack of testosterone.

sunflower1
10-03-2004, 10:32 AM
"Its the nature of the beast with FPS death match and sadly there is little participants have in common except the desire to stomp you into the ground screaming DIE DIE DIE. Me I find the only decent game play to be had in a fps is in the form of CTF or COOP based missions where at least you generaly are all working to achieve the same goal. But as is so often the case with online gaming the only way to truely enjoy it is to get yourself involved with a squad or group of freinds so you can at least share and laugh at the experiance. Its no fun being a lone gun in a world full of gunslingers."

It just needed to be said again.

This guy is pretty wise for someone who can't use capitalization correctly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
10-03-2004, 10:48 AM
IMHO you are a bit to harsh. It is not only a difference between "cultural quality".

Of course, IL2 is a game, that mainly attracts more "experienced" players, to get around the word "older". The cross-age of the IL2-users is definately higher as for any FPS-shooter.

But that is only part of the story. To be honest, you also gotta say, that there are a *LOT* more people playing AAO, and even more playing other shooters like HL(CS) to name the most common shooter (still). And with more players come more jerks and kiddies, that hide behind their labels and the internets anonymity.

What you can witness in these forums sometimes, escpecially over at the LOMACs forum is fractionally about the same as you get from any other game.

Overall, I personally got more often called a cheater and worse in IL2 than in AAO. But in both games, I experienced a LOT better overall attitude than in UT2004, CS and any other game I ever played online.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-03-2004, 02:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sunflower1:
"Its the nature of the beast with FPS death match and sadly there is little participants have in common except the desire to stomp you into the ground screaming DIE DIE DIE. Me I find the only decent game play to be had in a fps is in the form of CTF or COOP based missions where at least you generaly are all working to achieve the same goal. But as is so often the case with online gaming the only way to truely enjoy it is to get yourself involved with a squad or group of freinds so you can at least share and laugh at the experiance. Its no fun being a lone gun in a world full of gunslingers."

It just needed to be said again.

This guy is pretty wise for someone who can't use capitalization correctly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif thanks I think http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

sunflower1
10-03-2004, 02:45 PM
"African or European?"

I don't know....


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