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WilhelmSchulz.
07-15-2006, 09:55 AM
This was put up in the 8th Flotilla fourms.

Celeon what did he say at the start of the film?

109 footege (http://www.flightlevel350.com/aviation_videos.php?airplane=Messerschmitt+Bf+109)

WilhelmSchulz.
07-15-2006, 09:55 AM
This was put up in the 8th Flotilla fourms.

Celeon what did he say at the start of the film?

109 footege (http://www.flightlevel350.com/aviation_videos.php?airplane=Messerschmitt+Bf+109)

Celeon999
07-15-2006, 11:03 AM
Well the beginning of the coversation is missing so i cant understand what he is talking about

He says "..its inside , i have switched it off and the radio in the front" .

Nice video and great engine sound http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Thats the same one i saw at the air show Berlin. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bunkerratt
07-15-2006, 11:07 AM
that bird looks/sounds awsome...and..is that a bmw powerplant under the cowl?...nice link shulz.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Celeon999
07-15-2006, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">is that a bmw powerplant under the cowl?... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nope. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Either a Junkers Jumo 210 or a
Daimler-Benz 12 Zylinder-V-Motor.

Any expert who can tell us what version this Bf-109 is ?

When i know the letter i can tell you which engine and how much horsepower it has http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Celeon999
07-15-2006, 11:28 AM
Also check out this Fw-190 A8.

Thats something for "the ´O" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Focke Wulff 190-A8 (http://www.flightlevel350.com/aviation_videos.php?detail=search)

Bucketlung
07-15-2006, 11:37 AM
In the comments to the video a guy calls it a G model with a DB 605.

Celeon999
07-15-2006, 11:41 AM
There were 4 sub-versions of the G model with 4 different DB 605 versions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


The weakest had 1310 hp and the strongest 1475 hp http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Messervy
07-15-2006, 11:48 AM
When you look at this footage you realy begin to understand just how tricky it was to land a Bf-109.

Just a slight over reaction and.....it`s game over.

Celeon999
07-15-2006, 12:08 PM
Here is a video ive found lately.

A Arado-234 jet-bomber makes a test landing without landing gear, taken late 1944.

The engines are bigger versions of the Me-262 engines. You have a look into the open engine at the end.

That movie was top classified material in 1944 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Arado 234 (http://s11.quicksharing.com/v/4709400/Aviation_Military_WWII_Luftwaffe_Ar_234_landing.mp g.html)

Werner_U-292
07-15-2006, 02:53 PM
Oh schulz, you beat me to it. Originally posted on the 8th forums (http://www.createforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=193&mforum=8thflotilla)

At first I thought it was a BF-109F, but I am inclined to say that it might be a type G, I think the G's are easier to come by. Either way, I do believe it is a BMW engine, obviously supercharged but I am looking now and they apparently came with Daimler-Benz inverted-vee's. This is a mystery to me.

Stingray-65
07-15-2006, 05:05 PM
There are 2 Bf109s on that page:

The first one (FM BB) is a G6 (not the G6/AS model) with the "bumps" having been reduced during restoration. They were able to do that since the guns in the cowling were removed.

The second one (Red 7) was originally (during the war) also a G6 but they decided to remove the "bumps" completely (again, no guns in cowling) & restored it as a G4. Unfortunately this one crashed a while back.

Celeon999
07-16-2006, 03:31 AM
Celeon comes up with even more great vids http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


These are two really cool trailer for a DVD called "Messerschmitt 109"

Make sure to turn your speaker up to shake the room http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Trailer 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7pa8WYNmxI&search=Messerschmitt)

Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq21MLP8gYI&search=Messerschmitt)



Turn your speakers and subwoofers even louder as this ME-262 switches its engines on !


ME-262 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAsGmHjdlTA&search=Messerschmitt)


Original footages of ME-262´s on a airfield somewhere.

ME-262 original footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2u9QvaqxlA&search=Messerschmitt)



Original footages of ME-163 Komet rocket planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


ME-163 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvqKo2bTwJk&search=Messerschmitt)

Messervy
07-16-2006, 06:14 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

This is surreal. I followed the instructions and reved up my Creative THX 650 watts 6.1.

......I`m still shakeing, trembling with awe, full of goose bumps. I actualy caught myself shouting "JAAAWOOOHL" - not that I could hear it, but I was in a state of trans.

Thank YOU Willy (Messerschmidt that is)for those machines. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

P.S.

Interesting how smooth and elegant the Spit sounds, compared to pure evil comming from the Messerschmidt.

Are those original engines?????

Celeon999
07-16-2006, 06:55 AM
Celeon has only a Creative Inspire T-5900 5.1 but its has enough power to make the windows vibrate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I dont think that the engines are originals. Propably replicas made with original blueprints.


The whistling sound the Spitfire produces comes mostly from the air intakes underneath it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



By the way :

I did some research on Messerschmitt.

The company merged with two other companys , is named Messerschmitt-Boelkow-Blohm and is owned by DaimlerChrysler Aeropsace now.

DaimlerChrysler Aerospace itself is part of EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company)


Although it is no standalone company anymore and part of large consortium it is still in the airplane buisness. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But not that alone anymore .

Here is a list of projects that were carried out by them in the last decades.

Eurofighter (Main fuselage)
Helicopter Bo 105
Helicopter BK 117
Tornado fighter-bomber
Airbus A300
Airbus A310
Airbus A320
Transall C-160
Attack helicopter PAH-1
ESA X-ray satellite EXOSAT
TV satellites TV-SAT 1 & 2
Communication sattelite Intelsat V
Communication sattelite Intelsat VI
Spaceprobe Galileo
Spacelab (For the space shuttle)
Ariane rockets 1 - 4 (Europe´s carrier rocket)
Transrapid train
Guided anti-tank missile system MILAN
Guided anti-tank missile system HOT
Cabinetaxi Hagen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
ICE 1 (Intercity Express a highspeed train)
ET 420 Whatever that is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Messervy
07-16-2006, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The whistling sound the Spitfire produces comes mostly from the air intakes underneath it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don`t think it comes from Spitfire since it ends just after the Messerschmidt passes overhead.
Therefore definatly comes from Messerschmidt, but my guess is that it is a sound of a turbine.
So it must be a newer turboprop engine inside. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Stingray-65
07-16-2006, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Messervy:
I don`t think it comes from Spitfire since it ends just after the Messerschmidt passes overhead. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You would probably be correct. Bf109s were/are known for the "notorious" whistling sound they produce... much like the Corsair which the Japanese called "Whistling Death".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Therefore definatly comes from Messerschmidt, but my guess is that it is a sound of a turbine.
So it must be a newer turboprop engine inside. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

May or may not be. Hard to say. The original Bf109s with their DB-V12 engines whistled as well. (I don't know which plane [restored 109] you're talking about right now. I'm at home on dial-up & can't watch the videos. Have to do that @ work.) As might be expected, many restored warbirds don't have their original engines & may in fact have newer ones in them, but there are some, as Celeon mentioned, that have new engines built from the blue-prints of the originals so they are exact replicas... like Red 7 did.

I meant to post this yesterday for you to enjoy. If you haven't seen this already, you're gonna need a baby's bib to keep from drooling all over everything. EFG_beber is such an outstanding photographer! Enjoy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

2005
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6301082823

2006
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9801074354/p/1

Celeon999
07-16-2006, 11:09 AM
Great pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Sadly Celeon is no pro photographer and has no pro camera but :

Here are some

Taken at the Berlin air show 2004


http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/448/pic0013kc2.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2596/pic0010xz6.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/9972/pic0001oo6.jpg
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8128/pic0006lf4.jpg

Werner_U-292
07-16-2006, 04:00 PM
For the record, the whistling sound is from the BF-109. Spitfires dont emit a whistling sound what-so-ever. The hawker tempest, often mistaken for a spitfire varrient, does make a whistling sound from its large scoop located in the front.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1404/hawkerfe5.png

Here is a link of a spitfire flyover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkmHcAnPDIA&mode=related&search=), listen as it flys by, there is a slight whistle but its not a mechanical noise.

Celeon999
07-17-2006, 02:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Werner_U-292:
For the record, the whistling sound is from the BF-109. Spitfires dont emit a whistling sound what-so-ever. The hawker tempest, often mistaken for a spitfire varrient, does make a whistling sound from its large scoop located in the front.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1404/hawkerfe5.png

Here is a link of a spitfire flyover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkmHcAnPDIA&mode=related&search=), listen as it flys by, there is a slight whistle but its not a mechanical noise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That vid is great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I bet he wet his pants http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Werner_U-292
07-17-2006, 02:42 AM
Found some more great stuff on YouTube, little off topic but still about german airwar in WWII.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLgOuklstfk&search=hi-tech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8IQSd2B4DA&search=hi-tech

(What is this from? Looks amazing)
http://downloads.gamezone.com/demosfiles/t18060.htm

More Videos from Germany! This time FW-190
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF6s7cGBowY&search=FW-190

Celeon999
07-19-2006, 06:30 AM
Now i know where Silent_O is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He is test flying this FW-190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif