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MichaelMar
09-24-2004, 08:07 PM
The Yak is faster, better T&B, and as good as firepower with the IL2 single seater. So, why did the Russians use the single seated IL2 when they had Yak?

thx

MichaelMar
09-24-2004, 08:07 PM
The Yak is faster, better T&B, and as good as firepower with the IL2 single seater. So, why did the Russians use the single seated IL2 when they had Yak?

thx

DayGlow
09-24-2004, 08:12 PM
armour

MichaelMar
09-24-2004, 08:14 PM
You mean the single seater IL2 was armoured or used agains t armor?

LeadSpitter_
09-24-2004, 08:25 PM
The single seater il2 suffered horable losses to the germans. It was still a beat ground attack aircraft then the yak7, armor, gun platform and payload capacity.

LEXX_Luthor
09-24-2004, 10:31 PM
Thought IL~2I was supposed to be used against bombers. Still too slow.

Tully__
09-25-2004, 04:32 AM
The IL2 was a purpose built ground attack aircraft, it was never intended to be used as a fighter (though on occasion it managed ok in the hands of a better pilot). Although some of the Yak's were equipped for ground attack, none of them were purpose built for that role alone and it showed in the results.

crazyivan1970
09-25-2004, 04:44 AM
Yak was in very limited numbers. IL2 was never a bomber interceptor... only when they needed it to be one. Was very effective agaisnt Stukies...but too slow for HE111 or JU88. Rear gunner intended to be there, but Stalin said with armour like this...why bother. Great toll was payed for those words.

DaBalllz
09-25-2004, 05:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Yak was in very limited numbers. IL2 was never a bomber interceptor... only when they needed it to be one. Was very effective agaisnt Stukies...but too slow for HE111 or JU88. Rear gunner intended to be there, but Stalin said with armour like this...why bother. Great toll was payed for those words. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Human life was never a problem for Stalin.
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Aeronautico
09-25-2004, 05:55 AM
Great toll was paid by the gunners too, when they were fit in with no armor...

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crazyivan1970
09-25-2004, 06:00 AM
Rear gunners are significantly reduced losses of IL2 crews

PBNA-Boosher
09-25-2004, 06:55 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Yak was in very limited numbers. [QUOTE]

I've always heard that the Yak was the most mass produced Russian fighter of the war. Are you sure about that?

p1ngu666
09-25-2004, 07:36 AM
early war there wherent many yaks about, couple of 100
iirec prototype il2 had rear gunner in a position like il10 did later on

yak has pretty much no armour?

VW-IceFire
09-25-2004, 07:52 AM
Yes I've read that the Yak was the single most important Russian buiilt fighter of the war and it was produced in the greatest numbers.

But take it into a high flak area and you know you want an IL-2. The IL-2 has a ton of armor plating and was much more resistant to damage. The Yak's were not too bad as damage went (i.e. lightweight but not like Japanese aircraft) but they are still like taking a P-51 into a flak heavy area. You go down pretty quickly.

DDad
09-26-2004, 01:37 AM
A couple of thoughts-

First off- designed for two entirely different purposes- the Sturmovik was designed from the get go as a Ground Attack/Light Bomber- not as a fighter . It could function in that role if needed (read about Griswalskis encounter with one sometime) It is thus armed (and Armored) accordingly
2nd off- Ever try knocking out a Tank with a Yak? Difficult at best (BTW- This applys to RL, not the game)
3rd off- Stalin had a VERY high opinion of the Sturmovik- as evidenced by his "The Sturmovik is needed by the Army as much as Bread, as air" telegraph to a factory manager whose factory was lagging in production
4th- Realistically- it took the Soviets a couple of years to get aircraft production up to speed (No small feat considering they had to relocate most of their industries) so they had to use whatever they could. Best example to prove this- the I-153 & I-16s were still being flown operationally until mid-1943!!! In fact- things were so desperate that they had to use training aircraft as fighters! (The original Yak 7, BTW)
5th- Its widely held that Stalins orders removed the rear gunner position from the original Sturmovik (TsKB-55). Not quite true- that dubious honor goes to Marshal Kliment Voroshilov- Commisar & Chairman of the VVs. He felt that the Armor would protect the plane- and that doing away with the gunner would mean a much higher useful load, increased range, etc. Don't think he ever considered that it would have to go in unescorted.......

F19_Ob
09-26-2004, 04:23 AM
The best singleseater in FB is the 3:rd variant from 1941. Its about 1000 kilos lighter than the twoseaters and can turn for a while with a bf109 from the same timeperiod.
Its weaknesses are that it loses energy fast and have insufficient visibility wich makes it difficult to use in dogfights.
Its guns are very good (fastfiring) and the combination of the mg's and 23mm cannons enables it to score hits on an enemy up to and beyond 1000m.

Its not unusual to shoot down a fighter with it in a sortie online, and with an initial altitude of 2000-3000m and one or more wingmen to watch your 6 the chances increases.
So its not a bad plane although its not as good as the opposition.

The situation dramatically changes to worse when the 30mm cannon is available.
Although it doesnt always make the il-2 explode, one hit can cripple it badly. I cant count the times I have evaded enemies with my ailerons, elevators gone and only working rudder. That is what normally happens after a 30mm spraying. Sometimes if the flaps still are intact its possible to use them for very limited turning ( u still have to bail though).

Personally I like the 2seater because its an unlikely dogfighter. Although U cant really turn with the enemy u can still shoot the one of your wingmans tail and I try to advise the il-2's online to stay together and get altitude.

On a few occasions there have been real teamspirit between il-2 guys but most are loners and go low and after being picked off by BnZ'ers a few times they switch to fighters and quite often join the other team, especially if they are more in numbers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

So....Il-2 low and slow is bad, but high U have the energy to fight or evade, hopefully with other il-2s nearby.

Nothing compares to have been a part of the destruction of better and safer mounts.
I even like dangling in my chute when I know I got 2 or 3 of them singlehanded in my 2 seater.
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