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Hawgdog
12-30-2005, 11:39 AM
anything new out there?
The old discontinued Saitek cyborg 3D gold USB was the BEST.
I've tried the EVO, I couldn't thro that out fast enough.
cyborg rumble and CH flightstick
ok..but not the orginal.

Anything good on the horizon or are left-handed joystick users in the same boat as ATI card?

regards!

Hawgdog
12-30-2005, 11:39 AM
anything new out there?
The old discontinued Saitek cyborg 3D gold USB was the BEST.
I've tried the EVO, I couldn't thro that out fast enough.
cyborg rumble and CH flightstick
ok..but not the orginal.

Anything good on the horizon or are left-handed joystick users in the same boat as ATI card?

regards!

crazyivan1970
12-30-2005, 11:51 AM
Nope, nothing that i am aware off Dawg... Lefties are forgotten. I have a 2x MS FFB2 and recently bought one more. That will last me for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LameDuck.
12-30-2005, 12:20 PM
You probably won't care for it, but this is what I use:
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/st90.htm
I'm very happy with it and with the price, <$20.

Two things to note:
1. For rudder I use the keyboard.
2. I extracted the spring and replaced it with my own.

Hawgdog
12-30-2005, 01:04 PM
email I sent to Saitek today:

Looking for a Cyborg USB Gold Stick.
Why you dropped this stick is beyond me. Being left-handed its simply the best one I've used, and the backup I purchased a few years ago has finally worn out.
This makes THREE of these I've purchased since 2000.
I'd purchase a refurbished unit if possible.
-I'd gladly purchase any and all inventory you have. Or provide a link to whomever bought out the last supplies.
p.s. dont even recommend the 'new' cyborg,the EVO or that three legged one. Way to light for serious gaming.
I used the EVO to test my rototiller. And the cyborg rumble is a...well....I've purchased a few of your products hoping for something as good as the original.
regards,

pielkop
12-30-2005, 02:38 PM
I am with you on this one hawgdog ,i am a lefty to and i am currently using a saitek evo and it really really sucks as you know .it amazes me that so few manufactures make joysticks for leftys .I am also on the look out for a new joystick if i find anything usefull i will let you know .
Cheers

F0_Dark_P
12-30-2005, 03:19 PM
i am a Leftie to but i must say using a lefthanded stick really sounds akward http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif when you are used to hold it with the right hand

but i can agree that it is a bad move by the stick makers only to do sticks with only one grip, you sould have the option i think

but i use the stick in my right hand and the mouse in the left for looking, wont have it any other way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hawgdog
12-30-2005, 03:48 PM
lefties used to take it on the nose, but even firearm manufacturers, baseball mitt makers, scissor companies ALL offer stinking LH versions!
Heres the reply I got from Saitek a while ago.
Too bad, I paid a long buck for the CH I use and quit using because ambi is NOT lefty.


-------------------------


Mr. HawgDog,
Alas, there are none anywhere. It was discontinued more than two years ago,
and they are all gone. eBay might be your only hope.

Best Regards,

Mark Starrett
Product Marketing Manager
mstarret@saitekusa.com
http://www.saitekusa.com
Saitek Industries Ltd.
2295 Jefferson St. Torrance, CA 90501

gx-warspite
12-30-2005, 04:09 PM
I have a friend who's quite good with the X-52 stick in his left hand, but of course he can't use the throttle. He complains about the lack of hand support underneath though... =/

Feathered_IV
12-30-2005, 06:25 PM
My dear, departed dad always used to say that if you use your left hand, it feels like someone else is doing it.

I'm not quite sure what he meant by that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

p1ngu666
12-30-2005, 06:58 PM
the 3d gold is really good stick, far better than what they replaced it with. the utter prats.

x6BL_Brando
12-30-2005, 07:07 PM
The throttle pot has to be renewed every 6-9 months, otherwise it is nice to use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/Brandos_Rig_small-arrowed.jpg

BSS_AIJO
01-02-2006, 01:34 PM
Hey,

Left Handed here as well. My old USB Gold stick died about a year ago. I got the X52 and force learned to fly right handed. So I am still occasionally a bit ham handed in doing anything delicate with the stick. But, I still manage to get kills. I figured in the end real pilots were not givin left handed cockpits so why should I complain.

BSS_AIJO

tjaika1910
01-02-2006, 02:19 PM
Why not repair the old joysticks?

Is it any harder then to put in new potmeters?

(measure its values or just order by name and number)

p1ngu666
01-02-2006, 07:14 PM
ive taken one apart, the are FIDDLY.

most joysticks where probably symetrical irl, plus alot where probably forced tobe right handed. my grandad could write with both hands because of that...

AVG_WarHawk
01-02-2006, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
My dear, departed dad always used to say that if you use your left hand, it feels like someone else is doing it.

I'm not quite sure what he meant by that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WARNING: Don't try that at home. These are professionals. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Viper2005_
01-02-2006, 08:29 PM
I'd suggest flying with your other hand.

IRL depending upon what I'm flying I have to fly with either hand.

Started off in the CCF flying Bulldogs right handed. Then they moved on to Tutors, so I had to learn to fly left handed. Meanwhile I was flying Vikings right handed.

Left the CCF and discovered that aviation is an expensive business. Started flying gliders - mostly right handed, unless trying to eat a sandwich or something, in which case, left handed.

Got the money and started my PPL, flying Cessna 150/152s. Left handed.

It's not that hard when you get used to it, and once you learn to do it, you're set free to use the best stick available, irrespective of its handedness.

SithSpeeder
01-02-2006, 10:04 PM
This topic comes up about once a year.

I used the very stick you like...went through 3 of them. Well designed, not terribly well made, but I learned to be more gentle after buying each new one. So actually, the last one I still have and it's in good shape (I let my 7 year old son fly with me sometimes on our home network).

I am a dedicated lefty and have only really given in to golfing left handed (which they suggest is a good thing, anyways).

But, after much trial and error, soul searching, etc., the advice I'd offer is the same as BSS_AIJO--get an X-45 or X-52, learn to fly "right" handed (it'll take a few weeks), and never look back. It's second nature to me now (so yes, I gave in to a second thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ).

We lefties (I believe) have better cross brain communications because we live in a "righties" world. You are no exception. I truly believe that you will rapidly forget the Cyborg 3d Gold if you go to a HOTAS system--it's a blast (no more keyboard controls needed). The immersion is wonderful.

That being said, I think a manufacturer who made quality left handed sticks and throttles would find quite a good "niche" market. Lefties comprise 13% (approximately) of the population.

YMMV

* _54th_Speeder *

FatBoyHK
01-02-2006, 10:43 PM
I have a question for you left-handers.... do you use your right hand to hold the folk, and your left hand to hold the knife???

Tully__
01-02-2006, 10:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Lefties comprise 13% (approximately) of the population. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that statistic is people who write left handed. Some studies suggest that as many as 45% of the population are left hand dominant, but for many the dominance is mild enough that they readily adapt to a "right handed" world. It's only those who are profoundly dominant (or very stubborn) who continue to work as a lefty in a market where most products are designed for right handed use.

pielkop
01-03-2006, 12:18 AM
no Fatboy HK i hold my fork with my left hand and the knife in my right . A wierd thing is that my whole family was left handed me my mom,dad,sister and borther wich i believe is very rare

Schithawk
01-03-2006, 01:36 AM
fork in left,knife in ruight ,golf left throw left,hockey left, even shake it left. first started playing 8 months ago. my first stick was logi. a week later bought x45. couldnt use worth @#%$# so returned. ended up buying sietek evo force fb and an evo cybourg. useevo ffb in left as main stick and cyborg in right for throttle flaps trim etc. The logitec i,ve converted into a set of homemade rudder peddles that actually work fabulous. i get 100% action with threm on a 12 inch throw and the reactioncurve ive ajusted in fb ini. since i made these pedals my kills have tripled while my crashes have decreased slightly!! lol anyways my evo force is worn and torn and amlooking for new lefty stick aswell that might be better than these saiteks. if your handy and have a cheap stick laying round ,give some pedals a try.made mine with the scrap i had laying around the garage. i spent a total of $1.49 to build mine .ive been using them about 2 months and no probs. will post pics if anyone is curious good luck southies

Hawgdog
01-03-2006, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">learn to use your right hand.
this comes up once a year </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1) No.

2), yes, thank God its not FM's on the new patch or you'd have to read the same stuff 20 times a week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tully, Thats about correct.
About 1/3, yes, 30+ % of my customers are lefthanded (I build custom gunstocks)
I LOVE left-handed money.
Time and time again we see when manufacturers make decent left-hand stuff, they sell it.
The firearm companies that offer LH things NEVER have enough in stock. I've talked to the big-shots at the big 3, and they say we make X number of runs of them and they allways sell out.. next question...why not make more.."too many other versions of existing items" is the common reply.
Interesting the companies that offer LH items always, always have LH CEO's...go figure

LameDuck.
01-03-2006, 11:04 AM
A bit OT, but I suppose a heli pilot needs the left hand to control the cyclic, thus forcing the right-handed yoke, huh? This prompts me to look closer at a few pit layouts...

Switch to RH yoke? Blech! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Rammjaeger
01-03-2006, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I have a question for you left-handers.... do you use your right hand to hold the folk, and your left hand to hold the knife??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm a left-hander and I do it the other way around.

I never considered using a left-hand joystick. I learnt to properly use it with my right hand pretty quickly, and - of course - I need to skillfully control the rudder, throttle, radiator, prop. pitch and everything else with my left hand.

Professor_06
01-03-2006, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I have a question for you left-handers.... do you use your right hand to hold the folk, and your left hand to hold the knife??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course, when slicing meat.

No true left hander would cut with the right hand. Then of course, using proper manners you switch the fork to the left after cutting.

horseback
01-03-2006, 07:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawgdog:
Tully, Thats about correct.
About 1/3, yes, 30+ % of my customers are lefthanded (I build custom gunstocks)
I LOVE left-handed money.
Time and time again we see when manufacturers make decent left-hand stuff, they sell it.
The firearm companies that offer LH things NEVER have enough in stock. I've talked to the big-shots at the big 3, and they say we make X number of runs of them and they allways sell out.. next question...why not make more.."too many other versions of existing items" is the common reply.
Interesting the companies that offer LH items always, always have LH CEO's...go figure </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you make custom gunstocks, it sounds to me as though you would be EXACTLY the fellow to make a custom left-handed stick; the idea would be to make a left handed handle to fit say, a CH Fighterstick or X-45/52, with the necessary buttons and wiring already in the handle, with simple directions on how to attach it...

As my left-handed Dad always said, "if you want something done right, do it yourself" (you may have a whole new product line for your client base).

cheers

horseback

Hawgdog
01-04-2006, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:

If you make custom gunstocks, it sounds to me as though you would be EXACTLY the fellow to make a custom left-handed stick; the idea would be to make a left handed handle to fit say, a CH Fighterstick or X-45/52, with the necessary buttons and wiring already in the handle, with simple directions on how to attach it... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess you never saw the pics I posted of Frankenstick, did you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
I suck at the wiring/soldering part. Two Evos'chopped up and hotglued to a 3D gold stick. Pretty ugly and the first time the dog got tangled in all the wires and ran- it was not pretty

I have sat and stared at my CH proflighstick thinking "all I need to do is reverse the handle for crikies sake"
Then....wires enter the program! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif