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doogerie
11-11-2009, 07:59 AM
ok peeps I foind site that had alist of stuff about SOw i thin you will be intrested some stuff we know some I hope is new.

he map is real distance, ie 1-1 scale
- Sounds will be opened for modding like skins
- All visual effects have been created new for SoW
- Damage to aircraft FM and parts has not been decided yet
- Pilots, aircrew and ground staff are modelled in 3D. Whether they are animated will depend on time available
- Players will be able to record full HD video
- Radar (RDF) detection will include a random element
- Pilot faces will be customisable and players will be able to use their own though it will require more detail (thus harder than in IL2)
- Will feature Bf109E1 and two variants of E3
- Manual and auto prop pitch Bf109 variants will be featured
- Ship models are not as detailed as aircraft models because all graphics are optimised to be viewed from the aircraft, not from the sea.
- There wíll be limited simulation of waves
- Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high
- Boats and ships can move up rivers and onto coastline
- Players may be awarded credit for damage to ships
- Aircraft landing on water will float for a while before sinking
- Most gauges, if not all, will be working
- 'Life' (animated ground activity) is not a priority, nor is enabling the engine to model ground warfare or FPS capability
- It is still intended that AAA will be controllable to encourage participants online who do not want to fly necessarily
- The Gladiator and CR42 will be AI only aircraft at launch
- There will be no CANT Z.1007
- No float planes
- Ship AI can react to attacks
- Fog is modelled in weather effects
- Bomber gunners can change positions, though this will not be animated, and they will be able to reload
- Radio reception is effected by distance from source, in both online and offline play
- Polish and other nationalities flying for RAF (and Italian for Luftwaffe) will be modelled and Oleg will soon call for the IL2 community to contribute .wav files.
- Oleg said the following list was 'close to true'

Flyable:
G-50, BR-20
Bf-109 E1, E-3. Bf-110. Ju-87 B-2. Ju-88 A-1. He-111.
Spitfire MkI, Hurricane MkI, Bristol Bolingbroke.
Su-26

AI:
CR-42, Ju-52, He-59, He-115, Fw-200, Bf-108, Do-17 (2 versions), Gloster Gladiator, Boulton Paul Defiant, Bristol Blenheim, Bristol Beaufighter, Avro Anson, Vickers Wellington, Short Sunderland, deHavilland Tigermoth.

- Tigermoth two seater will be featured as a training aircraft and 'may' be available for online flying with instructor and student
- Gameplay flow will be from training straight into the Battle of Britain

what doyou think

doogerie
11-11-2009, 07:59 AM
ok peeps I foind site that had alist of stuff about SOw i thin you will be intrested some stuff we know some I hope is new.

he map is real distance, ie 1-1 scale
- Sounds will be opened for modding like skins
- All visual effects have been created new for SoW
- Damage to aircraft FM and parts has not been decided yet
- Pilots, aircrew and ground staff are modelled in 3D. Whether they are animated will depend on time available
- Players will be able to record full HD video
- Radar (RDF) detection will include a random element
- Pilot faces will be customisable and players will be able to use their own though it will require more detail (thus harder than in IL2)
- Will feature Bf109E1 and two variants of E3
- Manual and auto prop pitch Bf109 variants will be featured
- Ship models are not as detailed as aircraft models because all graphics are optimised to be viewed from the aircraft, not from the sea.
- There wíll be limited simulation of waves
- Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high
- Boats and ships can move up rivers and onto coastline
- Players may be awarded credit for damage to ships
- Aircraft landing on water will float for a while before sinking
- Most gauges, if not all, will be working
- 'Life' (animated ground activity) is not a priority, nor is enabling the engine to model ground warfare or FPS capability
- It is still intended that AAA will be controllable to encourage participants online who do not want to fly necessarily
- The Gladiator and CR42 will be AI only aircraft at launch
- There will be no CANT Z.1007
- No float planes
- Ship AI can react to attacks
- Fog is modelled in weather effects
- Bomber gunners can change positions, though this will not be animated, and they will be able to reload
- Radio reception is effected by distance from source, in both online and offline play
- Polish and other nationalities flying for RAF (and Italian for Luftwaffe) will be modelled and Oleg will soon call for the IL2 community to contribute .wav files.
- Oleg said the following list was 'close to true'

Flyable:
G-50, BR-20
Bf-109 E1, E-3. Bf-110. Ju-87 B-2. Ju-88 A-1. He-111.
Spitfire MkI, Hurricane MkI, Bristol Bolingbroke.
Su-26

AI:
CR-42, Ju-52, He-59, He-115, Fw-200, Bf-108, Do-17 (2 versions), Gloster Gladiator, Boulton Paul Defiant, Bristol Blenheim, Bristol Beaufighter, Avro Anson, Vickers Wellington, Short Sunderland, deHavilland Tigermoth.

- Tigermoth two seater will be featured as a training aircraft and 'may' be available for online flying with instructor and student
- Gameplay flow will be from training straight into the Battle of Britain

what doyou think

Falcke
11-11-2009, 09:33 AM
I think you should tell us what site this came from.

doogerie
11-11-2009, 09:41 AM
http://www.freewebs.com/heinkill/index.htm

AndyJWest
11-11-2009, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Falcke:
I think you should tell us what site this came from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Probably from readallthestuffthatsalreadybeensaidbyolegandthenta keawildguess.com.

I think I'd rather hear less, from more reliable sources.

PS wot no Walrus - I'm not buying it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

scaredycat1
11-11-2009, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone know what this means?

Monty_Thrud
11-11-2009, 09:53 AM
Great stuff.

Would like to know if i can hide in the clouds from the AI.

Would like to put myself forward as the first whiner for the Short Sunderland as flyable.

Lets see, it certainly won't be out by Christmas, so the next time would be Easter, can't see it being available then soooo, Xmas next year...maaaaybeee. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

AndyJWest
11-11-2009, 09:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Would like to know if i can hide in the clouds from the AI. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just make sure they aren't in there too, hiding from you...

No Monty, Walrus, not Sunderland. It had a proper job in the Battle of Britain, fetching damp pilots home for tea and biscuits...

mortoma
11-11-2009, 09:58 AM
Hmmm, wonder why the 109-E4 and E7 aren't in there? There were not a lot of them in the BoB, but there were some.

Oh cool, controllable AAA guns! I'll be able to show the AI crews how it's really done. Hitting low flying planes with ack-ack is not all that hard to do. I should be able to hit planes a lot better than the AI do.

stalkervision
11-11-2009, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
Hmmm, wonder why the 109-E4 and E7 aren't in there? There were not a lot of them in the BoB, but there were some.

Oh cool, controllable AAA guns! I'll be able to show the AI crews how it's really done. Hitting low flying planes with ack-ack is not all that hard to do. I should be able to hit planes a lot better than the AI do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, why indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

will the emil with the bomb release function be even modeled? Many attacks at the end of the battle were by these aircraft.

SeaFireLIV
11-11-2009, 10:30 AM
Half of that is in IL2, but that`s not abad thing.

I like the idea that training goes right into the Battle of Britain. It would be quite smart if, as a trainee, you actually get intercepted or possibly spot the enemy and give battle.

I believe this actually happened in reality.

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-11-2009, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone know what this means? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJHz3TnehmY


This is just a compiled list of statements Oleg has made since resuming the regular Friday updates.

BillSwagger
11-11-2009, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone know what this means? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the lighting detail is going to be much better in SOW.
So shadows will be more apparent even on instrument panels, and where the needle is 3mm from the face of the gauge it will cast a shadow of the needle depending on the angle of the light source.

very cool.



Bill

Choctaw111
11-11-2009, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone know what this means? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the needle "floats" more than 3mm above the actual gauge, is how I read that.

Uufflakke
11-11-2009, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Falcke:
I think you should tell us what site this came from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a summary of Oleg's comments in several threads put together by HeinKill:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthre...acts_from_multi.html (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2898787/Re_Summary_of_facts_from_multi.html)


Still no Dornier Do-17. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

ROXunreal
11-11-2009, 12:14 PM
I'd rather have more flyables and a detailed damage model than "gauge needles dropping shadows"

just saying

BillSwagger
11-11-2009, 01:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
I'd rather have more flyables and a detailed damage model than "gauge needles dropping shadows"

just saying </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gauge needles dropping shadows probably takes a month or two to program, where adding more flyables could add more years to the date of release.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ba5tard5word
11-11-2009, 02:23 PM
So what is the content of this game going to be like, totally focused on the BOB? Only a few planes available at first and you have to buy new ones like in ROF? I read this somewhere here but I guess all we have are rumors.

Romanator21
11-11-2009, 03:43 PM
Sorry, Supermarine Walrus should have been in that AI list. I think it will be there since the 3d model has been shown to us.

Oleg is basically saying that all he wants to do right now is get the basic framework of the code on place. In a way, it appears that it will have modular components so that any third party could add something to the core engine. So, in principle a 3rd party could give us cockpits for the AI planes, or full start up procedures, or animation for crew.

He has also said that later, anyone can modify FM as they please, but have to use the standard FM for online, and can use any 3rd part content, but that which has his seal of approval can be used online.

About needle shadows: it's possible to drop shadows for objects even smaller than 1 mm, but for now the frame-rate is a concern, so it's being limited to 3 mm. Thus, not all needles will have shadows at first.

scaredycat1
11-11-2009, 03:45 PM
Thanks for the explanations guys.
Thats looks pretty sweet! Ought to really ad emersion.

JG53_Valantine
11-11-2009, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
So what is the content of this game going to be like, totally focused on the BOB? Only a few planes available at first and you have to buy new ones like in ROF? I read this somewhere here but I guess all we have are rumors. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not like ROF, but like IL2. Ie. focus on BOB initially (as original IL2 did a few specific maps on the eastern front) with a few aircraft (namely those from the BOB) like IL2 did initially only having a handful of flyables (namely IL2, 109 etc.)

And then releasing expansion packs as IL2 did with Aces/Pacific Fighters/PE2's/1946 etc.

The onyl thing I'd say is don't expect to have a huge amount of flaybles off the bat, original IL2 did not, but look where the project has come from those small beginnings, HOW many flyables!!

UNlike ROF I very much doubt we will see pay for aircraft coming out unless Oleg and co decide to change business models away from what has been a successful process with IL2. Equally we will probably see more flyables straight off than ROF shipped with.
V

Insuber
11-11-2009, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Falcke:
I think you should tell us what site this came from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All that info is coming straight from Oleg's mouth, on the 1C forum. Maybe you haven't noticed it, but Oleg is answering on a daily basis to dozens of questions on SoW.

We've got more info in the last three weeks than in the previous three years.

Doogerie summary, although a good one, is not 100% complete.

For instance, Oleg promised a release within 2010, for budget reasons, and explained frankly the delays with a lack of manpower, despite his urging requests to the company management. he said that he's got now the required personnel, and more skilled programmers from game industry should arrive soon. Ilya Shevchenko flew from the US to join the team too.

Regards,
Insuber

wheelsup_cavu
11-11-2009, 08:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Insuber:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Falcke:
I think you should tell us what site this came from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All that info is coming straight from Oleg's mouth, on the 1C forum. Maybe you haven't noticed it, but Oleg is answering on a daily basis to dozens of questions on SoW.

We've got more info in the last three weeks than in the previous three years.

Doogerie summary, although a good one, is not 100% complete.

For instance, Oleg promised a release within 2010, for budget reasons, and explained frankly the delays with a lack of manpower, despite his urging requests to the company management. he said that he's got now the required personnel, and more skilled programmers from game industry should arrive soon. <span class="ev_code_yellow">Ilya Shevchenko</span> flew from the US to join the team too.

Regards,
Insuber </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif


Wheels

baronWastelan
11-11-2009, 10:33 PM
Wait a sec!!!!!!!

Flyable Bf-109 E-3 AND Spitfire MkI!?!?!?!?!

I ALAWYAS DERAMED TO FLY THOSE!!1!!!!!!11!

ARE YOU SURE???

Monty_Thrud
11-12-2009, 02:54 AM
Are people so concerned by the shadow of a needle?

PanzerAce
11-12-2009, 03:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Uufflakke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Falcke:
I think you should tell us what site this came from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a summary of Oleg's comments in several threads put together by HeinKill:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthre...acts_from_multi.html (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2898787/Re_Summary_of_facts_from_multi.html)


Still no Dornier Do-17. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the link to that site http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also, you're lack of faith in Oleg disturbs me:
http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/do1720rap.jpg

Uufflakke
11-12-2009, 04:47 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Oops, it is mentioned in the initial post, I must have overlooked it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

x6BL_Brando
11-12-2009, 05:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Are people so concerned by the shadow of a needle? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think that's the point of the anecdote - it was intended as an illustration of the graphical quality that the developers are striving for.

B

doogerie
11-12-2009, 05:39 AM
the main point of SoW for me is that the spit is in it butifull and very verry deadley aganst 109's if you want to set it up like DB he used to fly without cannons as he saw it as unsportsman like

Manu-6S
11-12-2009, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by doogerie:
the main point of SoW for me is that the spit is in it butifull and very verry deadley aganst 109's if you want to set it up like DB he used to fly without cannons as he saw it as unsportsman like </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I need a translation... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Choctaw111
11-12-2009, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by doogerie:
the main point of SoW for me is that the spit is in it butifull and very verry deadley aganst 109's if you want to set it up like DB he used to fly without cannons as he saw it as unsportsman like </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I need a translation... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I read it to say that he is really looking forward to SoW so much as the Spit is very beautiful and very deadly against the 109.
DB must be the initials of some famous Spit Pilot who would not fly against the 109s with cannon is it would have been too easy to shoot them down, and un-sportsman like.

AndyJWest
11-12-2009, 11:33 AM
DB would be Douglas Bader.

He may have expressed a preference for MG-only Spits, but I doubt very much this was anything to do with them being less 'unsportsman like'.

Xiolablu3
11-12-2009, 01:01 PM
I hope this isnt correct in a way because Allied side has no bomber for online play. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Needs the Wellington to balance play in fantasy battles. Allied have no aircraft that can attack ground objects in this list..

Xiolablu3
11-12-2009, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AndyJWest:
DB would be Douglas Bader.

He may have expressed a preference for MG-only Spits, but I doubt very much this was anything to do with them being less 'unsportsman like'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was becasue he had experienced the early jamming problems with the Mk1 Hispano cannons and didnt trust them yet.

He would rather have 8xmgs than 4xmgs and 2 cannons which might not work when he pressed the button.

In fact Stanford-Tuck got cross with him when he told the top brass that they should not use cannons and stick with machine guns. Tuck knew that cannons were the way forward.

Gibbage1
11-12-2009, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
In fact Stanford-Tuck got cross with him when he told the top brass that they should not use cannons and stick with machine guns. Tuck knew that cannons were the way forward. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Considering the lack of 7.62 armed figher jets, he may just be on to something...

major_setback
11-12-2009, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone know what this means? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oleg was asked at the banana forum if gauge needles would cast shadows, his answer was that that it would be possible if the needles was 3mm above the dial base. I didn't personally read his answer to mean that this would be implemented - but it would be possible to do.

Oleg did say that there were other things in the cockpit that would take priority, (because of the processing load).

major_setback
11-12-2009, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
Hmmm, wonder why the 109-E4 and E7 aren't in there? There were not a lot of them in the BoB, but there were some.

Oh cool, controllable AAA guns! I'll be able to show the AI crews how it's really done. Hitting low flying planes with ack-ack is not all that hard to do. I should be able to hit planes a lot better than the AI do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The team didn't have time to do all variants . The 109 E3 is itself a WiP. Read the threads at the banana forum (responses to the WiP's) for more info.

SeaFireLIV
11-12-2009, 04:41 PM
I`ll be measuring the shadow off that needle and it better be correct to the azimuth of the sun to the height against the horizon as the aircraft flies at 400 mph inverted while on 20% fuel in inclement weather, after being hit by cannon shells in the cockpit from a 109 just as its own shadow passes overhead...

Or i`ll not be happy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

UgoRipley
11-12-2009, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Needles on gauges will drop a shadow if more than 3mm high </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Anyone know what this means? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/s...=118126&postcount=80 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=118126&postcount=80)

Buzzsaw-
11-12-2009, 07:55 PM
Salute

If the Bristol Bolingbroke is flyable, then the British will have a bomber. The Bolingbroke is the same as a Blenheim, with some small differences.

I think the issue was that there are still Bolingbrokes in existence, so you can do the cockpits. I do not believe there are complete Blenheims in existence.

As far as the lack of a 109E4:

There were more Spitfire IIA's or Hurricane IIA's in service in the BoB than 109E4's, so if you had the E4, you'd need the two later model British aircraft as well.

Probably we will see these later models as the first addons.

Oleg has said the game is designed to replicate only the events of the battle, ie. from July 10th when the attacks on the channel convoys started, to the end of the BoB, which most historians see as ending on September 17th, two days after the Germans suffered severe losses during raids on London. Hitler postponed Fall Seelowe, (Operation Sea Lion) the operational plan for the invasion of Britain, on September 17th.

Romanator21
11-12-2009, 10:00 PM
There is a flyable Bolingbroke at least. I think that the only external difference between it and the Blenheim is the nose section, and I believe the Finnish have a cockpit section of a Blenheim. There's hope yet. And, there will at least be an AI Blenheim.

csThor
11-12-2009, 10:19 PM
Buzzsaw

Stick to your english types as you have no idea about german ones. In fact the major variants of the BoB were the E-1 and E-4, with the latter being increasingly dominant as time passed (since many E-1 were reworked into E-4 with the change from MG 17 wing-mounted MGs to MG FF/M; the armament was the key difference denominating the different series in the Emil BTW). The rare variants would be the E-7 very late in the timeframe SoW-BoB is supposed to model and perhaps the handful of Bf 109 E-4/N which a number of the aces got. Or - for that matter - the few Bf 109 F-0 pre-production models Stab/JG 51 and Werner Mölders got to test in late October 1940. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

doogerie
11-13-2009, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I read it to say that he is really looking forward to SoW so much as the Spit is very beautiful and very deadly against the 109.
DB must be the initials of some famous Spit Pilot who would not fly against the 109s with cannon is it would have been too easy to shoot them down, and un-sportsman like. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah thats exactly what I was saying Db is Dogules Bader he is sthe subject of the book and Movie reach for the sky he was a real ace squadron leader at one point he is should be inspration to everyone. as he was also decabeld by a crash befor the war in witch he lost his legs. really guys read reach for the sky amazing true story.

AndyJWest
11-13-2009, 07:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by doogerie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I read it to say that he is really looking forward to SoW so much as the Spit is very beautiful and very deadly against the 109.
DB must be the initials of some famous Spit Pilot who would not fly against the 109s with cannon is it would have been too easy to shoot them down, and un-sportsman like. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah thats exactly what I was saying Db is Dogules Bader he is sthe subject of the book and Movie reach for the sky he was a real ace squadron leader at one point he is should be inspration to everyone. as he was also decabeld by a crash befor the war in witch he lost his legs. really guys read reach for the sky amazing true story. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 'true story' of Douglas Bader is amazing, and he deserves our respect as an example of someone overcoming severe difficulties to fly again, and as a skiled fighter pilot.

Having said that though, there has been a great deal of myth-making going on over the years about DB (including possibly some by himself). I'd take claims about him not wanting cannon on his Spit for reasons of 'sportsmanship' as an example of this.

He seems to have been a stubborn guy, with a large ego: the sort of characteristics needed to overcome his disabilities, and the bureaucratic obstacles put in the way of him when he wanted to fly, but not necessarily the best source for objectivity. The man deserves respect, the myths deserve scepticism...

trumper
11-13-2009, 08:21 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifTaken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader so how true not sure.

<span class="ev_code_RED">PLEASE NOTE THIS WAS AFTER THE BoB</span>
"During 1941 his wing was re-equipped with Spitfire VBs, which had two Hispano 20 mm cannon and four .303 machine guns. However, Bader flew a Mk. VA equipped with eight .303 machine guns, as he insisted that these guns were more effective against fighter opposition. His tactics required a close-in approach in which he felt the lower calibre weapons had a more devastating effect. At the time, RAF trials with wing-mounted cannons had also revealed a number of shortcomings that precluded a widespread acceptance of the armament.[39]

By August 1941, Bader had claimed 22-and-a-half German aircraft shot down[24] – the half being from a kill that he agreed to split with a friend. This was the fifth highest total of kills in the RAF.
Hope this helps.
As an aside when i was in the ATC [Air Cadets] we were used at an Airdisplay at Duxford where i met him and got his autograph.Quite an experience for a 15 year old WOW. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Buzzsaw-
11-13-2009, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by csThor:
Buzzsaw

Stick to your english types as you have no idea about german ones. In fact the major variants of the BoB were the E-1 and E-4, with the latter being increasingly dominant as time passed (since many E-1 were reworked into E-4 with the change from MG 17 wing-mounted MGs to MG FF/M; the armament was the key difference denominating the different series in the Emil BTW). The rare variants would be the E-7 very late in the timeframe SoW-BoB is supposed to model and perhaps the handful of Bf 109 E-4/N which a number of the aces got. Or - for that matter - the few Bf 109 F-0 pre-production models Stab/JG 51 and Werner Mölders got to test in late October 1940. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1,183 E-1 built

1,276 E-3 built

561 E-4 built

And many of those E-4 built after BoB

Considering the Luftwaffe had 1,107 109's present at the start of the Battle of Britain, and that there were other 109 Staffels based elsewhere, it is quite clear that the majority of the aircraft used were either 109E1's or E3's. The fact that some of these may or may not have been modified does not change that fact.

csThor
11-13-2009, 11:55 PM
Buzz

Production numbers are wrong to denominate the number of Emils on the Front. The Emil is very unique within the german system of designation as the change of weaponry in the wings (E-1 = MG 17, E-3 = MG FF, E-4 = MG FF/M) also changed the sub-type - the aircraft even got a new WNr plate with their old WNr but the new subtype. Most E-1 and E-3 were reequiped and redesignated as E-4 (or later as E-7, mostly in 1941) when they had their wing armament changed to MG FF/M. No other german type had this unique way of keeping the sub-types apart and from the Friedrich on it was dropped.