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mbaumhofer
10-19-2007, 06:56 AM
OK....I know I am opening a new post, so forgive me.

I am a little confused.....or I am misguided, probably both.

Why is everyone so against Logitech Joysticks?

I have been using Logitech Keyboards and Mice for so long and I have never had any issues.

Fill me in, why are they so bad?

Thanks Everyone.

mbaumhofer
10-19-2007, 06:56 AM
OK....I know I am opening a new post, so forgive me.

I am a little confused.....or I am misguided, probably both.

Why is everyone so against Logitech Joysticks?

I have been using Logitech Keyboards and Mice for so long and I have never had any issues.

Fill me in, why are they so bad?

Thanks Everyone.

Skunk_438RCAF
10-19-2007, 07:07 AM
They are cheap. Not in the sense that they dont cost alot...

The quality of the components in their joysticks is not long-lasting.

A lot of people here have lots of experience with hardware and Logitech seems to be a general consensus that they suck.

I had a Logitech Attack 3 when I started with this sim, and I very quickly found that I was limited in buttons, no hat, no rudder(which you NEED in this sim) and it had started to spike in the roll axis. The one I had before that, I actually broke the trigger while playing.

I've had squaddies who say that all they ever buy is Logitech because they cant find anything else, or cant afford anything else, yet they end up buying one every year or so because they wear out.

Basically, you can buy whatever joystick you want, its just that if you buy a Logitech, be warned that you will have to replace it in 12 months time.

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-19-2007, 07:08 AM
Logitech Mice, Keyboards = teh good

Logitech Joysticks = teh bad

simple. They don't last, they're made of junky cheap low-grade plastic that is poorly put together. Certainly there's the occassional exception to the rule, but in general, they suxxorz.

Urufu_Shinjiro
10-19-2007, 07:23 AM
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Luke5skywalker4
10-19-2007, 08:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Logitech Mice, Keyboards = teh good

Logitech Joysticks = teh bad

simple. They don't last, they're made of junky cheap low-grade plastic that is poorly put together. Certainly there's the occassional exception to the rule, but in general, they suxxorz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second this. When I first got into IL-2 I used Logitech Joysticks and they never lasted very long. Either the X,Y,Z movements were off right out of the box or parts eventually broke within a month. Logitech mice, on the otherhand, are definitely nice (I have a G5).

I currently use a Saitek Cyborg Evo, which has lasted 4 years. It's a cheap alternative if you don't want anything fancy and it still works just fine (also very durable). I'm upgrading to the X-52 soon though as I require a separate throttle configuration.

Freelancer-1
10-19-2007, 09:22 AM
I still occasionally use my Logitech Wingman Extreme that I've had since the original IL2 demo came out with little or no problems. Throttle's a little wonky, but then so is the one on my X-52. Could be my ham fisted piloting style.

I have yet to find a grip better than the one on my Logitech. Perfect fit and no stretching for any of the buttons. If I was more mechanically inclined I'd replace the handle on my X-52 with it.

Alas, I'd just likely end up with two broken sticks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

In any case, mbaumhofer, I think mine is the exception to the rule. Best stay away from Logitech sticks.

knightflyte
10-19-2007, 09:26 AM
mbaumhofer

Check PM. (private message)

HotelBushranger
10-19-2007, 09:46 AM
I've used my Logitech Attack 3 for my entire FB/PF days, (which ended end of last year) works fine except for it doesn't roll completely to the right, only about halfway, sometimes sensitivity goes haywire but if you can put up with that, which I have, Logitech's a bargain - Attack 3 for $35 Australian and lasted me 3 years.

And welcome to the forums mbaumhofer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

-HH-Quazi
10-19-2007, 10:00 AM
Once you really get started flying this sim (addiction), a cheapo joystick will not last. If you are like everyone else when they started getting a handle on this sim, you will go through a phase that resembles an addiction, HEHE. And Logitech joysticks are not up to handling that kind of abuse.

I know you may be thinking, "abuse"? I would be really careful with it. I don't think I will abuse it.

But in the heat of battle, yanking & banking with a cheap plastic stick is abuse. And it will come naturally. You could probably try your best not to be hard on a stick, but when you are immersed, you have no idea just how hard you are putting forces on that stick in your hand either trying to survive, or trying to shoot down the enemy ac in front of you.

F16_Neo
10-19-2007, 10:22 AM
Logi stix = Bad, worn out oh so many...
Saitek = Good for price!
CH = Expensive & uber, very happy with my fighterstick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Teh 300 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

mbaumhofer
10-19-2007, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
mbaumhofer

Check PM. (private message) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reply sent.

Thank you

Shakthamac
10-19-2007, 12:45 PM
ive had both logitech and ms twisty sticks.

the logi's dont seem to last at all, my buttons started to **** out after 4-6 months of use.

The MS sticks are great. too bad they dont make em anymore

knightflyte
10-19-2007, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
mbaumhofer

Check PM. (private message) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reply sent.

Thank you </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and re-replied.

nvrsummer2
10-19-2007, 03:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
OK....I know I am opening a new post, so forgive me.

I am a little confused.....or I am misguided, probably both.

Why is everyone so against Logitech Joysticks?

I have been using Logitech Keyboards and Mice for so long and I have never had any issues.

Fill me in, why are they so bad?

Thanks Everyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Guess im one of the lucky ones. I have a logitech freedom 2.4 and have had it for 4 years. Still works like new.

GerritJ9
10-19-2007, 03:52 PM
I started with a Logitech Wingman Force 3D and it worked well initially. But after a few months, it started to lose precision, small course/height corrections turned out bigger and bigger, no doubt due to slop/wear in the potentiometers. Stopped using it after I bought a Saitek Cyborg Evo. Not Saitek's top of the line, but after three years of use it still works as well as it did when I bought it. Only criticism is that the base cound be heavier, other than that I highly recommend it.

Bearcat99
10-19-2007, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbaumhofer:
OK....I know I am opening a new post, so forgive me.
I am a little confused.....or I am misguided, probably both.

Why is everyone so against Logitech Joysticks?
I have been using Logitech Keyboards and Mice for so long and I have never had any issues.

Fill me in, why are they so bad?
Thanks Everyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because Logitech joysticks are cheaply made with cheap components that dont last. I had a logitech mouse that I owned for 12 years.. one of the original trackmans.. that thing just died on my @ 4 months ago. But their joysticks are just bad. If you haven't gotten one then go Saitek or CH... unless you just have money to give away... and if thats the case my address is....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I've used my Logitech Attack 3 for my entire FB/PF days, (which ended end of last year) works fine except for it doesn't roll completely to the right, only about halfway, sometimes sensitivity goes haywire but if you can put up with that, which I have, Logitech's a bargain - Attack 3 for $35 Australian and lasted me 3 years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif thats just what a simmer needs in a joystick... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

LEXX_Luthor
10-19-2007, 05:29 PM
I'm copy-pasting my own poast from an older Joystick thread (if you want high poast count like me, this is how you do it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif )....

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You may try the Saitek Cyborg Graphite -- S.C.G. http://content.vcommerce.com/products/11/4759011/main-150.jpg

It seems to be out of stock at the GoGamers but advance google saitek cyborg graphite

GoGamer~&gt; http://www.gogamer.com/Saitek-Cyborg-Graphite-Joystick-...444873VVviewprod.htm (http://www.gogamer.com/Saitek-Cyborg-Graphite-Joystick-Saitek_stcVVproductId4759011VVcatId444873VVviewpro d.htm)

When I got into simming several years ago with Oleg's FB, I found a few at SCG joysticks at The WalMarts for 15 to 20 Ussian dollars each.



(0) SCG is a true World War Two combat flight sim stick; rugged and simple, built like a LaGG.

(1) Largest common gaming joystick made.

(2) Giant titan sized base, very heavy, stable on the table.

(3) The largest stick top throw distance of any joystick made -- 6 inches -- compare with all others.

(4) Largest hat switch of any joystick made today -- compare with others. However, the diagonals don't work well for me, so I use it as a 4-way and not 8-way hat switch.

(5) Largest throttle of any joystick made, and smooth working.

(6) Only three stick top buttons, but they are HUGE and offer great feedback click and feel.

(7) NO BASE BUTTONS -- Just how I like it. I prefer the keyboard as a model for WW2 pilot/cockpit interface until somebody makes a flight sim keyboard that physically models a cockpit panel to replace the computer keyboard while simming.

(8) As a USB joystick, plug into running computer and fly. No software comes with the stick, at least in my purchase.

(9) Extremely rugged with huge handgrip, large trigger, and strong feel (see below). I'm still banging away at the original stick I purchased several years ago. The only maintenence required is dusting every year or so. I have not yet opened a backup joystick I purchased.

(10) Affordable. GoGamer wants 13$ -- if they currently had it in stock. Try the WalMarts if you must. You can't go wrong trying it.


Problems...

(1) As far as I know, the SCG is available in stores shelves only at The WalMarts, where I generally try not to shop.


This was my first joystick getting into The Sims a few years ago with Oleg's FB, because I saw it as an inexpensive starter joystick. I eventually looked to upgrade to a "popular" or "mainstream" Pro Simmer joystick, but when I visited CompUSA to test the feel of the Pro-Simmer Space Fighter joysticks, they all had limited stick-top travel and all felt like a limp handshake or wet fish after having used the SCG for so long. I still use the SCG today.

VW-IceFire
10-19-2007, 05:38 PM
Wow...and thats an amazing price for a joystick if its that good. Very impressive!

crucislancer
10-19-2007, 05:49 PM
I have a Logitech Wingman Extreme 3D Pro. I've had the stick for years, since 2001 I believe. But, I didn't use it much until I picked up IL-2 last January. The stick is a few steps from failing now. It has to be calibrated every time before I play, and the rudder is loose, despite trying to tighten it down. As soon as I have some extra cash I'll pickup something better. I'm done with Logitech joysticks.

LEXX_Luthor
10-19-2007, 05:49 PM
Thanks IceFire. Its brutally simple, even simplistic, but correspondingly ruggedly built, and it feels like it. It is a first class starter stick, and for World War 2 simming, may be a keeper.

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-19-2007, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Logitech Mice, Keyboards = teh good

Logitech Joysticks = teh bad

simple. They don't last, they're made of junky cheap low-grade plastic that is poorly put together. Certainly there's the occassional exception to the rule, but in general, they suxxorz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif The mice are second to none as far as precision and quality are concerned but their joysticks leave little to be desired.

S!

tsisqua
10-19-2007, 06:11 PM
Mbaumhofer,

I've been following your story here since your first post, and welcome aboard, Mate.

I went through three Logitech sticks (yes, they were replaced by Logitech while still under the warranty. I'm not knocking the company . . . they are good people), and every last one went bad. I loved the way that they were working at first, but they always failed before they should have.

I don't think that you can go wrong with anything Saitek. My 3 year-old stick still works like new.

I just wanted to add my voice to all those others with experience in this.

Oh, yeah . . .

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