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mike_espo
03-16-2004, 12:01 PM
what do you think of its handling characteristics? Online, I can't be beat with it. It is slow, but maneuvers almost as good as the zero. Climbs good too. I remember reading an account of Italian fighter pilots who flew the freccia and said: "good for touring, but not for war" Also, it may be a bug, but it almost never overheats even with the rad closed. When it does, just push throttle back a little and engine is normal. Then apply full power and she won't overheat. Its airframe is tough as nails. Got surprised by a p-63 and he hit me good, but no negative effects. Only problem is no fuel guage, but hopefully, oleg will fix in the patch.

mike_espo
03-16-2004, 12:01 PM
what do you think of its handling characteristics? Online, I can't be beat with it. It is slow, but maneuvers almost as good as the zero. Climbs good too. I remember reading an account of Italian fighter pilots who flew the freccia and said: "good for touring, but not for war" Also, it may be a bug, but it almost never overheats even with the rad closed. When it does, just push throttle back a little and engine is normal. Then apply full power and she won't overheat. Its airframe is tough as nails. Got surprised by a p-63 and he hit me good, but no negative effects. Only problem is no fuel guage, but hopefully, oleg will fix in the patch.

Bansai Potato
03-16-2004, 12:07 PM
Flew it a few times last week-end in a LAN coop at my house and i repeatedly knocked my buddy out of the sky in his Hurricane, even with only the 2 .50 cals i found i could 'light him up' frequently, i also found it very easy to get very accurate shots with, but it does not take that much damage as i also found out a few times.

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DamienW
03-16-2004, 12:09 PM
I'll be a kind of copycat and say : "good fo IL2 online dogfights, but not for war". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The nature of IL2's dogfights changes a lot what planes are good and what planes are not. Were you playing on a serverwith human vs human coops and historical settings, faster fighters would eat you and your G50 squadmates alive (if flown properly), no matter how good you are. You may destroy one or two in the confusion, but in the end, their superior speed and firepower would allow themto disctate where and when the fight happens, and they'd have the first strike, the one that matters in real missions.

On free-for-all dogfights, however, i'll granti it to you, it's fairly good.

mike_espo
03-16-2004, 12:13 PM
I flew on dogfight servers a number of times, so far, have not been killed in the freccia. I got 4 kills so far online. p-63, 2 spitfires, and a lagg 5. All the fights were below 2000m

Maj_Death
03-16-2004, 12:40 PM
As usual it depends largerly on the settings. In full real with or without GPS and speedbar (that means no PL), the fast planes with lots of punch have a clear advantage over slower but more manueverable planes. However this advantage can only be used if the pilot in the high speed fighter knows how to use it. Flying fast sounds simple enough but doing it in combat is often easier said than done, especially when people get impatient.

In "easier" (bad term IMHO) settings the agile planes have the advantage because you can't sneak up on anyone and get a good low deflection shot at them in a high speed fighter. But once again, while one type of plane may have the advantage, the pilot may fail to use that advantage properly and get wasted as a result.

About the G.50 itself, fun plane to fly in non-full real servers and just fun to fly in of itself. But it would not be my ride of choice in a full real server and certainly not in real life.

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mike_espo
03-16-2004, 12:45 PM
The servers I usually fly on are full real, but with limited icons. I never flown online with cockpit off. With the freccia I flew limited icons only and speedbar cause its tough to see the freccia compass. Minimap too was on.

LilHorse
03-16-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
The servers I usually fly on are full real, but with limited icons. I never flown online with cockpit off. With the freccia I flew limited icons only and speedbar cause its tough to see the freccia compass. Minimap too was on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think what they're trying to say, Mike, is that things might be different in something like a FR coop or online war. Not just a dog room. Unless there's ppl working together in that dog room. Or if someone is really disciplined with a BnZ type fighter. It's not just the g-50, it's any such fighter. Speed and big guns will eventually carry the day.

mike_espo
03-16-2004, 02:21 PM
I hope so. I love flying it, but I hope its not overmodelled. I would have thought it would be more sluggish somehow.... I read on the netwings forum that some guy thought it was a piece of s###. Its funny how two people can have such a different view on the FMs. Makes you wonder what is true.

F19_Ob
03-16-2004, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
what do you think of its handling characteristics? Online, I can't be beat with it. It is slow, but maneuvers almost as good as the zero. Climbs good too. I remember reading an account of Italian fighter pilots who flew the freccia and said: "good for touring, but not for war" Also, it may be a bug, but it almost never overheats even with the rad closed. When it does, just push throttle back a little and engine is normal. Then apply full power and she won't overheat. Its airframe is tough as nails. Got surprised by a p-63 and he hit me good, but no negative effects. Only problem is no fuel guage, but hopefully, oleg will fix in the patch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



You might enjoy this article. It gives some good info about the performance of the g50 against ratas.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/puhak/puhak.htm


cheers

mike_espo
03-16-2004, 03:06 PM
Wow! More maneuverable that the Rata! Never knew that. My reference material says the Finns loved the Fiat. I don't think the Finns modified the Fiat in any other way other than spinner. Thanks for the link.

telven
03-16-2004, 03:09 PM
Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I simply cannot stand how the g.50 was designed. It makes the Brewster look like a beauity queen.

F19_Olli72
03-16-2004, 03:10 PM
In a limited planeset like Greatergreen i can imagine it can be a good plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Its one of my favorite, i just love the look of it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif I think G50, the biplanes and of course the twinengined fighters will be my favorites in AEP when i finally get my hands on it.

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mike_espo
03-16-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by telven:
Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I simply cannot stand how the g.50 was designed. It makes the Brewster look like a beauity queen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really, Im currently making a 1/48 model of the Fiat g.50 that flew with the CAI against Britian in Fall 1940. Che bel aereo!!! Beautiful plane.

F19_Olli72
03-16-2004, 03:24 PM
Well Mike, i just read that guys post on Netwings. His 2 main arguments that it sucked was that it was slow and had peashooter guns. Well, duhhhh!!! Its a 30's design, and the early Fiats were notorius for their weak armament. Let that guy fly his P80. Ill stick to the Crapplanes (TM) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Oh btw afik the finnish groundcrews disliked the Fiat because it didnt handle the cold well. Dunno what the pilots thought tho.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-16-2004, 05:51 PM
I love the BIG guages, and the cockpit lights are, with the CR.42, now the best in the sim. The thing is slower than Hurricane though.

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p1ngu666
03-16-2004, 06:43 PM
i dont get on with it tbh :\

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Bula
03-16-2004, 08:43 PM
I'm having a blast flying it offline. I read that its climbing abilities were only so-so, though, but maintaining climb with Mk 1 Hurris offline hasn't been much of a problem. The Macchi C.200 was supposed to have a better rate of climb while maintaining excellent handling characteristics...wonder when that bird will be flyable?

Janacek
03-16-2004, 09:14 PM
The G50 is certainly maneuverable but I can't seem to hit anything enough with those two guns to do much damage. I could bring Hurricanes down when I tried it out on QMB but tougher-built planes simply outlasted me. By the way (a little off topic) mike_espo: I've always wondered, what is the significance of those three chevron-type symbols in the Italian insignia? Since you have them in your posts--maybe you (or someone) can enlighten me? I can't see anything recognizable when I look at them (though it is a cool insignia). Thanks if you can reply...

mortoma
03-16-2004, 09:46 PM
I was going to change my offline campaign from the J8A to this for a while before going on to the Brewster. But now I changed my mind after I tried take off and landing in it!! You can't see the runway at all. Even on take off roll when the tail comes up you still can't see the runway very well. I suppose I could land and take off using external views but that would not be realistic.
Landing in it is pure guess work once to get over the threshold. The cockpit makes you feel like you're in a deep bathtub. Maybe instead of flying it in my campaign, I'll still fly the J8A but use the G.50 to take baths in??? Also the guns are weaker than the J8A. I can get 3 kills per mission in the J8A but would be lucky to get 1 in that thing................

DamienW
03-16-2004, 09:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Janacek:
The G50 is certainly maneuverable but I can't seem to hit anything enough with those two guns to do much damage. I could bring Hurricanes down when I tried it out on QMB but tougher-built planes simply outlasted me. By the way (a little off topic) mike_espo: I've always wondered, what is the significance of those three chevron-type symbols in the Italian insignia? Since you have them in your posts--maybe you (or someone) can enlighten me? I can't see anything recognizable when I look at them (though it is a cool insignia). Thanks if you can reply...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those are "fasci" (sp?), the symbols of fascist Italy during WW2, and come from ancient Rome. They were weapons held by the guardof high-ranking people in the roman society, and were made of a axe-like weappon surrounded by sticks. The axe was for dealing with serious threats, while the sticks were to be used to beat up anyone who "deserved" a good beating but not enough to "deserve" death.

mike_espo
03-16-2004, 10:10 PM
By the way (a little off topic) mike_espo: I've always wondered, what is the significance of those three chevron-type symbols in the Italian insignia? Since you have them in your posts--maybe you (or someone) can enlighten me? I can't see anything recognizable when I look at them (though it is a cool insignia). Thanks if you can reply...[/QUOTE]

Sure. Its the insignia of the Italian Fascist party. Mussolini. Similar to the Swastica for Nazi Germany The symbols are the ancient Roman fasces( axes bundled with sticks) that the lictors who accompanied consuls carried to remind the people they had the power to apply cousular power-the death penalty to anyone.

T_O_A_D
03-16-2004, 10:14 PM
Yes very stable aircraft! I was playing with it the otherday off line you can never miss with it on mudmoving. and am able to take out several static aircraft in one low pass. Have yet to try it online though.

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soareallexoi
03-17-2004, 05:28 AM
hi bula.
do you play il 2 fb online with other guys/...from where i can order aep. what airplane do you like most to fly. cre' ca iar-80, dar dintre celalalte care...te rog da-mi o adresa de mail unde putem vorbi linistit in romana. la sibiu mai cunosc cativa care sunt innebuniti dupa il2 si vrem sa ne alaturam si noi grupului de sustinatori de iar-80...multam'.

Janacek
03-17-2004, 01:31 PM
mike_espo and DamienW: Thanks for responding about the insignia--interesting!

Jippo01
03-17-2004, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
Wow! More maneuverable that the Rata! Never knew that. My reference material says the Finns loved the Fiat. I don't think the Finns modified the Fiat in any other way other than spinner. Thanks for the link.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Finns did a load of modifications to G.50!

- lubrication system was completely reworked with heating system (overheated in summer and froze in winter)
- batteries were changed
- MG's were badly supported and the system was changed
- pressure air system didn't function properly
- hoods were removed because of the quality of perspex
- tail wheel was too weak and was replaced
- landing gear had durability problems
- air filters were installed


So all in in all Fiat required many modifications to operate in Finland.


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mike_espo
03-17-2004, 01:48 PM
Interesting. But all those changes the finns made would not affect its flying characteristics, but would help appreciably in the maintenence of the machines.

Jippo01
03-17-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
Interesting. But all those changes the finns made would not affect its flying characteristics, but would help appreciably in the maintenence of the machines.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Partly help maintain it, partly affect it's characteristics.

Frozen oil in propeller caused it to stop function and made it fixed blade. MG's were very inaccurate before corrections.

Also wing with slats was designed but never taken in to use, that would have changed characteristics quite a bit.


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