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GH_Klingstroem
06-06-2006, 04:31 AM
I mean the effect of fatique after several seconds of gforce. I know the black out is modeled in Il2 but the pilot getting really tired is not modeled. Best would be if all AC are modeled with the same type of pilot. In il2 the pilot can put a pressure on the control of 40lbs (or was it 50lbs??) Anyway, what we see now in the Il2 is ridiculous with some AC turning really hard for ever with the pilot never getting tired. This can simply be done by making the pilot being able to pull only lets say 20lbs of pressure on the stick for 30 secs after several seconds of heavy Gs(just an example though)... Maybe even having the pilot making noises of heavy breathing when you pull heavy Gs just to let you know what effect it has on body... I like the blackout effect we have now in IL2 but I just feel that fatique should be modeled. I think this is one reason why some me109 pilots say they could turn with spits and some p51 pilots say they could easely turn with 109s etc etc...
Simply the other pilots was tired or just not fit enough....
I think I speak for everybody when I say that these endless TnB fights you see at most servers are far from reality but they are possible since the pilot never feel fatique from long duration from even small G forces of just the 2-3 Gs that you will put you body in in just a normal TnB fight...

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GH_Klingstroem
06-06-2006, 04:31 AM
I mean the effect of fatique after several seconds of gforce. I know the black out is modeled in Il2 but the pilot getting really tired is not modeled. Best would be if all AC are modeled with the same type of pilot. In il2 the pilot can put a pressure on the control of 40lbs (or was it 50lbs??) Anyway, what we see now in the Il2 is ridiculous with some AC turning really hard for ever with the pilot never getting tired. This can simply be done by making the pilot being able to pull only lets say 20lbs of pressure on the stick for 30 secs after several seconds of heavy Gs(just an example though)... Maybe even having the pilot making noises of heavy breathing when you pull heavy Gs just to let you know what effect it has on body... I like the blackout effect we have now in IL2 but I just feel that fatique should be modeled. I think this is one reason why some me109 pilots say they could turn with spits and some p51 pilots say they could easely turn with 109s etc etc...
Simply the other pilots was tired or just not fit enough....
I think I speak for everybody when I say that these endless TnB fights you see at most servers are far from reality but they are possible since the pilot never feel fatique from long duration from even small G forces of just the 2-3 Gs that you will put you body in in just a normal TnB fight...

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lowfighter
06-06-2006, 07:49 AM
That would be nice!
Not sure you've seen this thread?

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/392...251086534#3251086534 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/3921096534/r/3251086534#3251086534)

GH_Klingstroem
06-06-2006, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lowfighter:
That would be nice!
Not sure you've seen this thread?

Dunno how I could miss it! thx!
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/392...251086534#3251086534 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/3921096534/r/3251086534#3251086534) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

RegRag1977
06-06-2006, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think I speak for everybody when I say that these endless TnB fights you see at most servers are far from reality but they are possible since the pilot never feel fatique from long duration from even small G forces of just the 2-3 Gs that you will put you body in in just a normal TnB fight... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I must say i completely agree. Those endless dogfights are so unrealistic...

LEBillfish
06-06-2006, 11:37 AM
Actually, to a degree they already have that built in IL2 when we get wounded.....ever notice the more severe the wound how much more sluggish the plane gets?

lowfighter
06-06-2006, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Actually, to a degree they already have that built in IL2 when we get wounded.....ever notice the more severe the wound how much more sluggish the plane gets? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, this is a nice feature together with the blackout one, it realy adds tons of immersion to me. I can just dream thatsooner or later someone will implement pilot fatigue and other physiologic effects http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triggerhappyfin
06-07-2006, 12:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Actually, to a degree they already have that built in IL2 when we get wounded.....ever notice the more severe the wound how much more sluggish the plane gets? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would be a small change then to let the pilot behave in the same manner, after pulling surtain G´s for surtain time!

leitmotiv
06-07-2006, 02:11 PM
The RED ORCHESTRA military tactical game has built-in fatigue if you run---after awhile you are out of wind and reduced to walking. I don't see why it wouldn't be elementary to build-in certain "costs" for maneuvers---I'm sure there is a huge literature on this in aero medicine---a poster just put up similar data on another thread today. You start with so much reserve strength and, as you maneuver within a certain period of time, you use it up. Resistance to G force could be modeled, as well. Would certainly make you think twice about strenuous maneuvers!

lowfighter
06-07-2006, 02:33 PM
Someone will do it...sometime