PDA

View Full Version : A question about what you'd like to see in offline user-made campaigns



Chuck_Older
03-14-2005, 03:14 PM
This is unlike me, so bear with me a moment

While this may be a little premature, I am thinking about subject matter for another campaign. I know that my current one isn't technically out yet, but it will be in the next few days- I have had some trouble with FB recently and had to do a complete re-install, sorry (Yes, I backed up my missions and skins first http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif )

What I am thinking of is this: A 1946-47 scenario, a campaign based on some big "what-ifs" but not how you may expect.

I usually despise this sort of thing, but I just had a thought:

What if Germany had defeated Britain and Japan had defeated the US?

I have two sceanrios I want to run by you. One's more complex and interesting, but I don't know how to do it. The other's a bit more standard.

Scenario One:

Germany and Japan have won their respective fights for their corners of the world. The Soviet Union was barely defeated, and immediately invaded by Japan in the East during the waning days of Battle. Japan refuses to give up it's toe-hold in the former USSR despite it's weakened state, which Germany considers part of the Reich now. Britain and the US have negotiated seperate peaces. Hitler issues a directive for destruction of the Imperial Japanese Empire, because they will not relinquish Germany's territory, in the form of the Eastern to Central former USSR. Battles can take place over almost any map. Japan has selected US technology such as the YP-80 and B-29, and Germany has selcted Soviet and British technology such as various advanced former Soviet and English aircraft, in addition to aircraft such as the Go-229. I don't know just yet if that campaign would be German or Japanese.

Scenario Two:

The Soviet Union is fighting and losing a two front war: One side is contested by the Japanese, the other by the Germans. Soviet territory is a miniscule sahdow of it's former self; the eastern and Westwern frontiers have been over-run and taken. Germany also launches a surprise attack on Japanese forces by land ad sea in Asia. That might be a very interesting Soviet campaign, dunno about how to make it Japanese or German.

I think after this campaign is finished, I'd like to do another. A fresh idea is hard to come by, by this stage of the sim, and I've never heard of either of these two ideas.

What do you think? A Nippon/Germanic war seems very fresh to me

bird_brain
03-14-2005, 03:55 PM
I knew it....you have the FMB bug. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

It's not contagious, but once you get it, it is darn hard to get rid of. It sometimes goes into remission, but it usually comes back in massive attacks that will take you out of your normal lifestyle routine for weeks at a time!

Chuck_Older
03-14-2005, 04:05 PM
Oh, I made plenty of cr@ppy missions before I made the lousy thirty-four you saw http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

bird_brain
03-14-2005, 04:16 PM
That would be my suggestion fo the next campaign then... Instead of a cr@p planes campaign, make a cr@p missions campaign. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Extreme_One
03-14-2005, 04:19 PM
Welcome to the club http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

IMHO scenario 1 sounds the most interesting for lot's of reasons.
I don't want to say too much about what I'd like to see because I'd really like to see your spin on the idea.

What I would like to see though is for the player to be able to experience the campaign from both sides. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

2 campaigns for the price of one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Chuck_Older
03-14-2005, 04:23 PM
Both sides...hadn't thought of that. Maybe in segments, you fly ten missions for Germany, then ten for Japan, as two seperate pilots. Hmmm, interesting.

I may still need a hint about that AVG splash screen before I start a new campaign, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Everything seems to be working except the splash won't show up under any circumstance now!

I have a few things left to try...I'll panic to both of you in private later if I fail, I need to keep up the facade of being in control

bird_brain
03-14-2005, 04:25 PM
I agree... a campaign done from both (or all 3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) sides is the best. A truly unique challenge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Extreme_One
03-14-2005, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Both sides...hadn't thought of that. Maybe in segments, you fly ten missions for Germany, then ten for Japan, as two seperate pilots. Hmmm, interesting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2/3 separate campaigns - shared templates - many missions won't need too much altering. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I may still need a hint about that AVG splash screen before I start a new campaign, though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Everything seems to be working except the splash won't show up under any circumstance now!

I have a few things left to try...I'll panic to both of you in private later if I fail, I need to keep up the facade of being in control <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


lol

Chuck - I sent you something before remember? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Give it a try... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bird_brain:
I agree... a campaign done from both (or all 3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) sides is the best. A truly unique challenge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not strictly 'unique' - ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif North & South)

Chuck_Older
03-14-2005, 04:45 PM
I recall a medlas pack and a radio chatter pack...not much about the splash...although my head is spinning about who sent me what and asked me to try what concerning this problem

I'm PMing the two of you, I can't figure this out

bird_brain
03-14-2005, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
Not strictly 'unique' - ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif North & South) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I meant that it is quite a different animal than just doing 1 side, not that I am the only one to do it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

C_O, try downloading *This* (http://www.jyarbrough.homestead.com/AVG_Splash.zip) and unzipping both files to your Campaign/US folder. That should work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Chuck_Older
03-14-2005, 05:10 PM
Well, THAT works-

but, as before, if I ever stop playing the campaign...the splash defaults back to the PF splash (F4U)

To see my splash, you must delete the WTCF campaign and start a new WTCF campaign. the only time you see my splash, ever, is your first WTCF session.

Quite maddening, actually. Who's for a glass of scotch? I am

bird_brain
03-14-2005, 05:47 PM
Don't get all excited.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Does the AVG screen come up when you start another US campaign?

lbhskier37
03-14-2005, 06:07 PM
How about this one. After Japan surrenders, the mostly asian Eastern russians attack western Russia wanting idependence from far away Moscow. I think this one would work best though with the Russia only expansion if we ever do get it.

Chuck_Older
03-14-2005, 06:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bird_brain:
Don't get all excited.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Does the AVG screen come up when you start another US campaign? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, decidely not.

But it's not a show-stopper; this can get worked out, I'm sure. For the moment I'm catching up on the finishing touches I couldn't do this week-end because of the re-install

SpartanHoplite
03-14-2005, 07:09 PM
If you don't mind a non-campaign maker (but, campaign _consumer_) weighting in. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Both scenarios sound interesting to me, and of couse its your time and effort at stake, so go with whatever you want. That being said, from a "realism" point of view (naturally, the above scenarios require a pretty significant "suspension of disbelief" to begin with, which is fine), I find the three-way Germany-USSR-Japan war less appealing.

Perhaps it just seems terribly obvious, but wouldn't the easiest and most logical "What If?" war be the US, UK and friends (perhaps including remnants of occupied Germany and Japan?) against the Soviet Union and client states, 1947 or so? Almost every map could be a "go" for that one, thats for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway, I'm looking forward to whatever you produce, and especially the AVG campaign!

SH

Aeronautico
03-14-2005, 08:16 PM
FB engine doesn't support possibilities like former allys being enemy (GER - JAP, USSR - US, etc.), let alone a three nations' conflict.

The three (THREE) Russians expansion CDs coming out and hopefully marketed also in the West would provide plenty of '46 material though.

FlatSpinMan
03-14-2005, 08:20 PM
I like Spartan_Hoplite's idea as it is a bit more plausible(I just don't see Japan defeating the US). But go for whatever you want. They are all interesting ideas.Just my two cents.



==============================

SpartanHoplite
03-14-2005, 08:21 PM
Yeah, I've heard that... What a shame... Lots of possibilities... Clashes in and over Berlin with a Soviet thrust carrying straight to Normandy... US and UK counter-offensive naval landing in the Crimea and via Finland... Soviet invasion of Japan... that would be a great "What If?" scenario that would be workable with available maps. Pity.

SH

Chuck_Older
03-15-2005, 04:17 AM
Oh, I could make an Axis career with any Axis nation, and then make an 'Axis' enemy by using aircraft and skins. That's not a problem at all. This sim would think it's Axis versus Allies

Extreme_One
03-15-2005, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
FB engine doesn't support possibilities like former allys being enemy (GER - JAP, USSR - US, etc.), let alone a three nations' conflict.

The three (THREE) Russians expansion CDs coming out and hopefully marketed also in the West would provide plenty of '46 material though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Just because FB doesn't actually support a 3-way conflict - doesn't meant to say it can't be done http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

For anyone interested, the instructions are in the readme doc which was distributed in my "Two little DUCs" campaign.

Capt._Tenneal
03-15-2005, 08:07 AM
Since you're thinking big with the Germany vs. Japan scenario, another to consider is a US vs. UK scenario (maybe not as direct combatants but finding themselves allied to countries who are on opposite sides). Then we'll have those Spit vs. P51, or Tempest vs. Jug battles and settle the debate once and for all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aeronautico
03-15-2005, 08:17 AM
Your campaign is installed at home Extreme_One, and can't check from here (for months). How would you do it? Assigning one of the nations to red or blue depending on the facing enemy of that particular mission? So, there would be no chance to see a three-way mission anyway? Or am I missing something?

Extreme_One
03-15-2005, 08:27 AM
OK so you've mention red flights and blue flights - but you haven't mentioned white flights... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I'll post later once I'm home so that I can take my time and make it as clear as possible. If I do it from memory I'm bound to get it muddled and confuse everyone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Aeronautico
03-15-2005, 08:58 AM
Oh, interesting. Kinda rememeber something about white flights. But... are they not neutral and would not shoot back?

Thanks for clarifying, now and later. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Extreme_One
03-15-2005, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
Oh, interesting. Kinda rememeber something about white flights. But... are they not neutral and would not shoot back?

Thanks for clarifying, now and later. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Neutral in the way I described it meant that they sided with neither red or blue but instead fight for themsleves. They will happily attack red or blue flights and will be attacked by red or blue AI flights http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaNorris
03-15-2005, 09:31 AM
ANything reaaly

Extreme_One
03-15-2005, 11:46 AM
Excerpt from "two Little DUCs" readme:-

* MISSION BUILDERS *

To enable the new neutral regiment you need to edit your mission file manually in a text editor and change the regiment code manually.

The syntax for the new hidden regiment is:-
"NoNe**"
The asterisks are replaced by 2 digits which will indicate the 'flight number.'

The white regiment will now be attacked by red and/or blue AI planes.
White AI planes will attack either red and/or blue planes.

* WARNING *
This system does NOT seem to work properly in a single mission!
For some reason which I can't figure out, if you shoot down a red plane and a blue plane when flying as white,
the game will crash when you exit the mission.
This phenomenon doesn't seem to manifest itself if you're flying a campaign... (Please let me know A.S.A.P if you discover otherwise)

DO NOT attempt to open an 'editted' mission in the FMB or all of your white flights will revert to red.