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neural_dream
08-11-2005, 09:15 AM
I have played over 3000 different PC games (of all types) off- and on-line. I was even writing game reviews in the most popular relative magazine in my country some years ago and i think i know all games that have existed and are worth-knowing their existence. I have been in the past one of the best players in the world in two RTS games, a sports games, and at least very good at all others. In addition to all that I have always been an "online uber alles" type of player despite the countless hours i have played everything in single-player too.


STILL, the "game" that gave me the highest ever offline immersion is this one. And imagine in terms of game development it's at most mediocre. No story, bad sound, old graphix engine (although still quite good), awful overall game presentation, zero appeal to mainstream gamers unless a friend talks them in it. This is an SDK, not a game. Still no other game ever reached such a level of immersion that i am thinking about playing a full length campaign where i will read my next mission's details and wait to play until the exact date and time of the year it says, and wear luftwaffe helmet and gloves (god bless ebay), and build a "real" cockpit in my house to host the computer (god bless my uncle's DIY skills). I am lucky i have an understanding girlfriend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


... one of the reasons i so love this game (lol, NBA motto of the 90's) is you people, one of the most dedicated and definitely the most helpful online community i have ever seen.

... plus the maturity (despite the "he stole my kill" every 2-3mins) of the online gamers. I now find it really difficult to log in a WoW or AoM or CnC or UT2K4 online game (maturity-wise). no reason to explain those. You know them if you 'd ever be interested to know them.

neural_dream
08-11-2005, 09:15 AM
I have played over 3000 different PC games (of all types) off- and on-line. I was even writing game reviews in the most popular relative magazine in my country some years ago and i think i know all games that have existed and are worth-knowing their existence. I have been in the past one of the best players in the world in two RTS games, a sports games, and at least very good at all others. In addition to all that I have always been an "online uber alles" type of player despite the countless hours i have played everything in single-player too.


STILL, the "game" that gave me the highest ever offline immersion is this one. And imagine in terms of game development it's at most mediocre. No story, bad sound, old graphix engine (although still quite good), awful overall game presentation, zero appeal to mainstream gamers unless a friend talks them in it. This is an SDK, not a game. Still no other game ever reached such a level of immersion that i am thinking about playing a full length campaign where i will read my next mission's details and wait to play until the exact date and time of the year it says, and wear luftwaffe helmet and gloves (god bless ebay), and build a "real" cockpit in my house to host the computer (god bless my uncle's DIY skills). I am lucky i have an understanding girlfriend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


... one of the reasons i so love this game (lol, NBA motto of the 90's) is you people, one of the most dedicated and definitely the most helpful online community i have ever seen.

... plus the maturity (despite the "he stole my kill" every 2-3mins) of the online gamers. I now find it really difficult to log in a WoW or AoM or CnC or UT2K4 online game (maturity-wise). no reason to explain those. You know them if you 'd ever be interested to know them.

neural_dream
08-11-2005, 10:40 AM
and one more thing while talking about immersion:

which one is the most realistic-looking/feeling WW2 joystick? don't say the X52 or the Cougar. hm, actually perhaps the cougar throttle looks like the FW190

vapors201
08-11-2005, 10:56 AM
Neural,
Not sure you are going to find many sticks that look like a WW2 stick. The majority of the sticks out there today are modeled after Jet sticks from the f16 or f15. And that is a good thing because we do need all those buttons! I suppose if you want to try and be more authentic in look you could go with a Microsoft Sidewinder and then use Voice Buddy and TrackIR to make up for the lack of buttons.

Glad you are enjoying the game,

Vapors

Tully__
08-12-2005, 05:38 AM
As mentioned above pretty much all sticks are more jet style. If you want authentic, there are a couple of specialists in the MS2k4 world who will make 'em to order, or you could enlist the aid of your DIY uncle and use this kit (http://www.chproducts.com/oem_flash/misc_usbkit.html) to integrate his efforts with your PC.

If your uncle is not up to this sort of modelling detail, every now & then genuine WW2 stick handles turn up on ebay.

Since you plan on making a cockpit, you don't need all the switches on the stick. You can easily put real switches in the instrument panel and wire them into the kit.

neural_dream
08-12-2005, 06:06 AM
Thx Tully, very useful. and with BoB coming i think it wouldn't be a bad time investment.

but about the MS2K4 world (i guess you meant FS2K4) i can't find such a website.

Hoatee
08-12-2005, 06:16 AM
In()definite agreement with the sentiments expressed by author of this thread.

Add the following formula : the price of offline play is constant. That of online play is variable (with the exception of Hyperlobby, of course).

ps my only worry is that BoB might be so good that I won't be playing the IL2 series anymore (I'm thinking of the way I started on Warbirds III for the Mac which I found impressive until I bought a pc and IL2).

Tully__
08-12-2005, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Thx Tully, very useful. and with BoB coming i think it wouldn't be a bad time investment.

but about the MS2K4 world (i guess you meant FS2K4) i can't find such a website. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>My bad, yes, FS2k4. The websites (where they exist) are hard to find because they are a very specialist market. The prices are generally so high that you don't even hear about them unless you're deep in the "virtual airline" world (where people fly scheduled "cargo" and "passenger" routes online). That sort of artisan's units per year is at most double figures and often only single figures, usually as a hobby rather than for a living.

Atomic_Marten
08-12-2005, 06:39 AM
About thread title... this game is best game I have ever played. Overall.
Also it happens to be one of those game with a bit lousy single player campaign system (default; static ones are IMHO way better but these aren't so easy to create properly).

If someone create full scale historical campaign for whole war career of one pilot with historical elements as much as possible, now that would be one awesome journey.

What I found very very special about this game are online COOPs. Very good missions with exact goals to achieve is what boost immersion to highest levels for me.

Now I could only imagine what pleasure this game could offer if there is some server outhere that could offer career playing.
That would be peak expeience with this game for me.

neural_dream
08-12-2005, 07:14 AM
and that wouldn't be very difficult to set up. Maybe a dynamic megacampaign in which there are planned sorties let's say every hour for a whole year or so.

whitetornado_1
08-12-2005, 07:23 AM
Give yourself time ,it will wear off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-12-2005, 07:28 AM
It`s an excellent sim and the Campaign is very good. For a truly dynamic experience try Lowengrin`s DCG.

neural_dream
08-12-2005, 07:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by whitetornado_1:
Give yourself time ,it will wear off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, sure, everything does. Alhough when you don't anymore play for kills and your goal is to never again die online or offline even if that means that you'll leave out of battles like a coward or against your addiction you don't take off if you don't feel perfectly concentrated, then the sim seems suddenly more durable in time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. You may want to try that m8. Anyway, i feel i am neglecting my RL work lately, so i'll leave this forum for a while and see ya all later, probably to share my new revised and complete cockpit reference guide in three weeks or so. See ya all.

Atomic_Marten
08-12-2005, 08:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
...see ya all later when i'll have finished my new revised and complete cockpit reference guide, in three weeks or so. See ya all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Daiichidoku
08-12-2005, 01:02 PM
best single-player experience i ever had involved a jar of vaseline and some free time

BSS_Goat
08-12-2005, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
best single-player experience i ever had involved a jar of vaseline and some free time </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Capt._Tenneal
08-12-2005, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
best single-player experience i ever had involved a jar of vaseline and some free time </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slicking your hair back and trying out different hairstyles ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Bearcat99
08-12-2005, 06:59 PM
Run offline using VAC and TIR..... talk about awesome single player. Even without TIR IMO VAC is a MUST. Nothing like telling your AI wingman to cover you and hearing him respond. The first time I did that my kids thought I was online with the squad.

SeperateCheck
08-16-2005, 09:15 PM
Hi all,

I played the IL-2 demo a lot. When it first came out. Didn't buy IL-2 until I saw the Gold Pack last year in September (I'm poor, ok!?). Thought I got it at a pretty good time because just a couple months later PF came out. Heh.

Anyways, of all the games I've played flight sims always have been my favorite type. This game has a very steep learning curve but once you figure out how to avoid the ground it's great.

I love airplane game.

Obi_Kwiet
08-17-2005, 06:28 PM
What did you do? Every time I play a campaign it goes like this: I take off. I fly. and fly. and fly. I give up, let the AI take me there. After 15 min. of staring at a black screen, a random flak shell hits me engine and I die. I try again. Something just like that happens. I can't get practice. I'm too busy staring at that stupid black screen. What are you doing?

Bearcat99
08-18-2005, 08:08 PM
You do realize the black screen means you were killed right..... either that or it is a dark and stormy moonless night....

Cold Meat Platter
08-19-2005, 07:47 AM
I think he means the black screen you get when you use the timeskip function (you have to bind a key to it). It speeds up time faster than the usual 8x but switches off the video and turns on autopilot then returns to normal time and pilot control at the next waypoint or when an enemy is spotted. Handy for us less patient offline types but admittedly it is rather tedious staring at a blank screen.