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Destraex
10-17-2004, 12:47 AM
When it came out it was a shocker, wondering whether it has matured into a OK game now the modders have had time?

I expect a flight sim to have good flight physics and damage models, coop missions via LAN, easily changeable skins, consistent graphics and a good mission builder as a minimum

Howie A
10-17-2004, 02:14 AM
It hasn't been discussed since I've been here. I played it when it first came out but then bought Il-2 and haven't played since. I do know some additions supposedly made significant change.

[]_---_[] KITT
10-17-2004, 03:21 AM
That thing some people call WWII warplane sim is a garbage compared to IL-2 .
Like many other bad designed games, it was born, matured and has died since.

Destraex
10-17-2004, 05:22 AM
sounds like its not worth me trying to find my CDs for a reinstall then.

Philipscdrw
10-17-2004, 06:14 AM
I hate it when I lose my CDs.

georgeo76
10-17-2004, 09:53 AM
I don't know about you, but I like games that are finished. 3rd party add-ons should improve a game, not complete it.

Hunter82
10-17-2004, 10:56 AM
define playable

Popey109
10-17-2004, 11:29 AM
even now after all this time you can go to SOH and find threads saying how great it is! and how do we save this game how do we get more peeps too play! a few threads later and the same peeps are cussing "why is this crashing to desktop?" "why dont my textures work?"....it's a bottomless pit! a never ending fight to make it work!!!! it dont work! it's all eye candy for as long as you can keep it running...a waste of time! a rip off...I feel bad for the peeps who've invested so much into it, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

BM357_Raven
10-17-2004, 02:18 PM
CFS3 has some cool aspects to it. I think once you've been exposed to IL2, however, you are likely to be disappointed with CFS3.

Some groups, like the 46th Design Team have really added to the game,-- giving it more depth.

Other than that, I think it will be hard for any current FB enthusiast to sit through much flight time on CFS3.

For me, the over-all feel of flight is way more exciting in FB than in CFS3... And that's coming from a one-time CFS3 advocate.

BM357_Raven
10-17-2004, 02:19 PM
BTW, Howie A, are you a sailor by chance?

Moog42
10-17-2004, 06:31 PM
I've had it on my machine from the get-go long before I picked up IL-2, but since doing so around this time last year CFS3 has hardly had a look in.

I picked up the FirePower add on and that provided a good few hours' worth of playtime; new planes, vastly improved effects, missions, weapon sets (including atomic weapons... mmmm!). The stock planes *look* nice but the flight models are ridiculous. All planes - heavy bombers, jets, fighters - handle like box kites. No saving graces whatsoever. The FirePower flight models are much better, but one must approach CFS3 with an open mind (ie one that doesn't have IL-2 leering from the back!), because it's a different game altogether.

There is a whole community at www.avhistory.org (http://www.avhistory.org) dedicated to creating 1% flight models (FMs that conform to within 1% of actual data, so 10,000ft in 4mins RL would be 10,000ft in 4min +/- 2.4 seconds in the sim)

If you have a good rig and can tweak all the eye candy up full then it's enjoyable, and the campaigns are enthralling up to a point. After all, you DO have all of NW Europe to explore, and a wide selection of official and third-party planes to use and abuse! But without downloading lots of add-ons the game quickly gets repetitive.

These days 95% of my sim-time is spent on IL-2. I like CFS3 because it lets me take up heavies like the B-17, B-24, B-29, and Lancaster (with the 12,000lb Grand Slam bomb)... but in a dogfight, IL-2 would TnB, BnZ, LnS, generally violate CFS3.

If you tend to agree with the grognards and entrenched types on these boards then don't waste your time with CFS3, you won't enjoy it.

But if you already have the game (which by now you're probably using as a coaster), pick up FirePower on the cheap, research the add-ons a little, and give it one more spin with an open mind.

My god, did I just stick up for CFS3? ... I'm going to get my flame-******ant suit... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Play It Cool

-Moog

PS: to quote Destraex "I expect a flight sim to have good flight physics and damage models, coop missions via LAN, easily changeable skins, consistent graphics and a good mission builder as a minimum"

Well, FM and DM *can* be pretty good. Coops are great with a squad but daunting for newbies (just like anything). Changeable skins are possible but textures are done completely differently to IL-2 or even FS2004; they take a lot of work and aren't really worth it. The mission builder is excellent but is even more complex than the FMB in IL-2. And lastly as an aside, don't try and get TrackIR to work with CFS. Some people claim they've got it, but I reckon they're just nut cases who spin their head around regardless...

Bearcat99
10-17-2004, 07:04 PM
This thread in a nutshell says more than I ever could about why it is so important to make certain we support 1CMaddox. What did Billy boy give you for your $49? CFS3 was $49 until relatively recently too.... If not for the 3rd party people it would be a bigger piece of cr@p than it is. Those 3rd party folks at least made it tolerable. You are talking linen from a sows ear... not silk mind you but linen... that in itself deserves kudos. Here we have a sim that though not perfect has flight models that are consistent... damage models that are immersive... graphics that are cinematic and develpoers that are involved. What more can you ask for and all you have to do is look at CFS3 to realize how bad it could be and how good we do have it.

Bolt40
10-17-2004, 07:45 PM
$49.00 ? I got screwed at Wally World !! when game first came out it was almost $53.00 ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif yours truly paid it because of the planes particularly the Do-335 , it lasted a month on my HD , dont ask about multiplayer... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Howie A
10-17-2004, 07:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BM357_Raven:
BTW, Howie A, are you a sailor by chance? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I enjoy the ocean and sailing but have never possesed my own rig. And it has been many years. How about you Raven?

madsarmy
10-18-2004, 01:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by georgeo76:
I don't know about you, but I like games that are finished. 3rd party add-ons should improve a game, not complete it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How true you are.

RevvinUK
10-18-2004, 02:00 AM
Any patches to add TrackIR support yet?

Heavy_Weather
10-18-2004, 06:58 AM
well we all know how flakey MS stuff is, i would never buy their games thats for sure, what a let down that would be. by the way, stay away from Eidos games, like Shellshock Nam 67; Hitman3, all their games completely suck balls.

remember, i warned ya http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-18-2004, 07:33 AM
Third party mods are possible because it has open source code...which is one of the main reasons I don't fly it.

I still have it. I bought it when it first hit the shelves like so many other Flight sim enthusiasts only to be disappointed in its performance and sketchy FM's.

It's hard for me to throw away something I spent that much money on, but I've been tempted a few times. I finally decided to keep it simply to remind me of my mistakes.

TB

BM357_TinMan
10-18-2004, 07:49 AM
Short answer ... no

Pains me to say it though

Not quite so short answer; it won't ever mature into a decent game unless the developers fix some pretty major flaws that the 3rd party guys can't touch.

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Old_Canuck
10-18-2004, 08:38 AM
1. Can't use it with TIR
2. Plays choppy on a 3.2 with 2 gigs RAM
3. Too much work researching and adding to a sim for the "eye candy" when 1. and 2. still apply.

Conclusion: "yukky cockpits" -- quote from my nephew when he was 5 years old. Game permanently uninstalled days later.

Bearcat99
10-18-2004, 10:07 AM
I was in a 1% P-51.... You know how the reticle on the gunsigts kind of floats in FB? Well in CFS it is painted on..... Viewing system? Snap views..... no smooth panning as in FB. There is no comparison between the two products. The only thing I like about CFS3 is the maps are bigger nd I like the engine sounds... but those differences are not worth the crappy down low graphics... the hokey FMs & DMs and the difficulty in just getting the thing to run. FB didnt need patches to run.. it neededpatches to fix bugs and improve things overall,, but FB 1.0 ran like a champ.

Capt.England
10-18-2004, 01:22 PM
Balls to CFS3, try Freelancer and all it's mods instead. At least M$ got that game right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

BuzzU
10-18-2004, 01:50 PM
M$ is the Hitler.

3.JG51_BigBear
10-18-2004, 02:24 PM
CFS3 has its moments. When I first got it I was extremely disappointed. Not only because it cost so much, but because I had had so much fun with CFS2 and was expecting something just as good. CFS3 took me forever to tweak and get to run right. I've actually switched computers three times since it came out and it hasn't run flawlessly right out of the box on any of my machines.

That being said. I believe that CFS3 better simulates actual flight and I believe that its force feeback system is far more realistic than that found in IL2. The flight models are definitely suspect however. They're more like composite skteches of what the developers "thought" the planes should fly like rather than based on any hard and fast data. This is easily compensated for however with the vast number of addons available. With a little bit of work you can come up with a simulator that recreates any theatre of operations in the world and fly a lot of planes that will never see the light of day in the IL2 series. I also think that if you enjoy ground attack missions CFS3 is a better simulation. When flying at low altitude in IL2 its a bit like flying over a sheet of green construction paper with pancake trees elevated a few feet from the ground. In CFS3 there are individual trees modelled and the terrain and ground objects are much more detailed.

Alright before I get flamed. When the two games are compared to one another Il2 will always come out on top. The game runs great, looks good, has far more aircraft included by the developers than CFS3 can ever hope for and is much better at immersing the gamer into the ww2 aerial combat experience. Cockpits in IL2 are far better than those seen in CFS3 and the active development team really sets this game off from anything else I've ever played.

Philipscdrw
10-18-2004, 08:46 PM
I've just started to get good at throwing the P-47 around offline. I love the Il-2!

BM357_Raven
10-24-2004, 10:41 AM
Howie A

wrote: "I enjoy the ocean and sailing but have never possesed my own rig. And it has been many years. How about you Raven?"

I sail at least once a week...

http://bm357.com/Sailing/boats.jpg

Ob.Emann
10-24-2004, 01:27 PM
I gave up on CFS3 when I was shot down by the gun crew of a B-17, that had all bailed out 30 seconds prior. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
10-24-2004, 02:36 PM
In Holland we have a figure of speach "Al draagt een aap een gouden ring, het is en blijft een lelijk ding"

Literly translated it means "Even if a monkey is wearing a ring of gold, it will stay an ugly thing"

The meaning might be obvious, CFS3 lost to Il-2 in almost all departments except for the (engine) sounds and maybe the special effects. You can polish it, buy (BUY!!) add-on products for it but, it really won't get better much.

Mc_Wolf
10-25-2004, 01:13 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
If you wanna play CFS series, I suggest try CFS2 with all necessary addon, much better than CFS3. It's a different feeling, only fly it as a FS2004 series....Hahaha.....

TheGozr
10-25-2004, 11:23 AM
CFS2 with all necessary addon

Something is not right with all those addons to make it better.
The way the plane fly in CSF3 its horrible they feel like cars like pack of bricks. totally unreal.
aS FAR AS THE GROUND i would not even talk about it just make me mad....

very ambarassing for MS a shame i would say.

TheGozr
10-25-2004, 11:27 AM
"That its force feeback system is far more realistic than that found in IL2"
Are you talking about realistic force feed back on A STICK? Try a real stick inflight of a real plane.....Because that's Bull.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TheGozr
10-25-2004, 11:30 AM
My deep honest opinion of CFS3 with out offending no one is that they should make a recall of this game pay back their money and stock in somewhere to burn them.


Ho boy i remember when i got it with the addon firepower what a such desapointement.

Heavy_Weather
10-25-2004, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
M$ is the Hitler. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


totally http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

han freak solo
10-25-2004, 09:28 PM
I paid the $49.00 when new as well. All because of how much I had liked CFS 1 and CFS 2.

I almost thought Microsoft would always make the best product until I was educated by the skills of the makers of IL2. $20.00 for IL2. It would have been $75.00 if Microsoft would have sold it.

I think CFS 2 is worlds better than CFS 3. I even think European Air War is more fun than CFS 3. Mig Alley is more fun than CFS 3, too.

Wait a minute..........I forgot the present.

IL2 in all forms, is the King!!!

han freak solo
10-25-2004, 09:33 PM
I do remember one thing I like about CFS 3.

I changed the theme music to the song from the "Hogan's Heroes" TV show. Downloaded from a CFS 3 site.

BTW, what do I have to do to change music in IL2: FB??

EURO_Snoopy
10-26-2004, 01:27 AM
IL2/FB Music (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_music.htm)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by han freak solo:
I do remember one thing I like about CFS 3.

I changed the theme music to the song from the "Hogan's Heroes" TV show. Downloaded from a CFS 3 site.

BTW, what do I have to do to change music in IL2: FB?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tully__
10-26-2004, 05:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
... by the way, stay away from Eidos games... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except for Thief: Deadly Shadows. If you liked the earlier Thief games, the last installment is as good as the others http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaFireLIV
10-26-2004, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HH_Emann:
I gave up on CFS3 when I was shot down by the gun crew of a B-17, that had all bailed out 30 seconds prior. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AT LAST! Someone had the same problem. I gave CFS3 TWO MONTHS to prove itself- I really wanted to like it, especially because of the dynamic campaign system which could even allow an invasion of England!

But after 2 months of aggro and bugs I was getting really pissed off with it, then the patch I`d been waiting for came along. I installed it. Got into a sortie against a Focke Wolf, shot it up and the pilot jumped out. As I overshot the slowing 190 it opened fire on me.

I`ll say again: THE EMPTY 190 OPENED FIRE ON MY AIRCRAFT!

After that final insult, I dropped CFS3 for GOOD! I gave it way more time than it was worth - and it`s still d a m n expensive today! You couldn`t give the thing away to me! Interesting to see that the add-on B17 pack still has the same bug - not acceptable!

This is in addition to the myriad extra problems I could easily list a whole page about.

NegativeGee
10-26-2004, 08:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
... by the way, stay away from Eidos games... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except for Thief: Deadly Shadows. If you liked the earlier Thief games, the last installment is as good as the others http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Warzone 2100.... that was (and still is) ahead of the pack in the RTS genre.