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Arm_slinger
07-24-2005, 10:15 AM
Since i'm bored, and feel in a generous mood, i thought i'd post the recent pictures I have taken of the axis aircraft that lurk in musems dotted around merry ole England, so without further ado :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01026.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01027.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01036.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01038.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01041.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01104.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01275.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01276.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01278.jpg

The infamous "Black 6"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01281.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01284.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01285.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01300.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01286.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01287.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01288.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01290.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01291.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01292.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01294.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01296.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01301.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01302.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01326.jpg


Dark lighting fooked up the camera work from now on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01333.jpg

FW 190 trainer- only one in existance
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01334.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01339.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01340.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01387.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01389.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01390.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01405.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01406.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01407.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01408.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01409.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01411.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01413.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01420.jpg

Arm_slinger
07-24-2005, 10:15 AM
Since i'm bored, and feel in a generous mood, i thought i'd post the recent pictures I have taken of the axis aircraft that lurk in musems dotted around merry ole England, so without further ado :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01026.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01027.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01036.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01038.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01041.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01104.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/DSC01019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01275.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01276.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01278.jpg

The infamous "Black 6"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01281.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01284.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01285.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01300.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01286.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01287.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01288.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01290.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01291.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01292.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01294.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01296.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01301.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01302.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01326.jpg


Dark lighting fooked up the camera work from now on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01333.jpg

FW 190 trainer- only one in existance
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01334.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01339.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/DSC01340.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01387.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01389.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01390.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01405.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01406.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01407.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01408.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01409.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01411.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01413.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/DSC01420.jpg

3.JG51_BigBear
07-24-2005, 10:32 AM
Awesome pics.

VF-17_Jolly
07-24-2005, 10:59 AM
Nice pictures. Hendon and Cosford? must go there soon i had a quick look at the Raf Museum Website and Raf cosford is free too didn`t know that

Raf Museums (http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/)
Thanks for reminding me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MiamiEagle
07-24-2005, 11:21 AM
Arm_sliger dose are the most beatiful pictures of planes I have ever seen.
Thank you

Its a fair set of Axis planes. It did not concentrate on the LW alone. All the planes looked great.

This may give World war two planes developers a good Idea when develping new planes for their Simulation program.

Can we get a set of pictures of allie planes as well?

Another question? where did you find this Web site and can you be kind enough to give it to us.

Miamieagle

Malik_VII
07-24-2005, 11:39 AM
Cool pics. Thanks for being bored and posting them

Arm_slinger
07-24-2005, 12:16 PM
Your welcome guys

Miami, those photo's I have taken myself at the RAF museums 'Cosford' and'Hendon'

I choose the Axis aircraft as people always post stuff about the allied aircraft, which gets a bit boring after a while

Actually, i'll post the links to my photo galleries they are all stored at.

If you want a pic that takes your fancy, feel free to save them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


The links:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Cosford/
http://photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/RAF%20Hendon/
http://photobucket.com/albums/v371/Kyebromley/Hendon2/

HotelBushranger
07-25-2005, 02:23 AM
Hey Arm_Slinger, in your Cosford album, that Hawker biplane is a Hind, not a 'Hawker something' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

womenfly
07-25-2005, 06:08 AM
Thank you so much for sharing! Who would think that so many historical planes can still be seen like this! Must go there some day .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

hotspace
07-25-2005, 06:47 AM
Do you know that the Avro Lincoln (you can see it in the background of the Me-163 pic) is haunted by its Pilot? He loved it so much in life that he said that when he died, he would haunt the plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Not alot of people know that........

Hot Space

btw Excellent pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Arm_slinger
07-25-2005, 11:27 AM
I knew it Hot space, and tried looking for the spirited chap, didn't see him though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. To be honest i'm a little sceptical of it all really.

A few years back though a TV crew put some camera's in there for the TV show "Strange but true" hosted by Michael Asple. There were reports of seeing a pin ***** of light from a torch moving around in the fuselarge, which made was seen by the cameras. A bit creep but i'm not sure about it.

A **** lovely aircraft though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



If this thread can be kept alive for a while, i hope to get my webspace up and running soon, and i'll put up a whole load more pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BPLIzard
07-25-2005, 11:47 AM
Nice. Get bored more often please.

269GA-Veltro
07-25-2005, 12:13 PM
Thank you very much!!! Great pics! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

hotspace
07-25-2005, 06:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
I knew it Hot space, and tried looking for the spirited chap, didn't see him though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. To be honest i'm a little sceptical of it all really.

A few years back though a TV crew put some camera's in there for the TV show "Strange but true" hosted by Michael Asple. There were reports of seeing a pin ***** of light from a torch moving around in the fuselarge, which made was seen by the cameras. A bit creep but i'm not sure about it.

A **** lovely aircraft though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



If this thread can be kept alive for a while, i hope to get my webspace up and running soon, and i'll put up a whole load more pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, that's where I remember it from m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I went to RAF East Kirkby a few weeks back (The Photo's didn't really come out because the camera was **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif) and they've got a reconstructed fuselage of a crashed Spitfire Vb. The Pilot wanted to land as he was very low on fuel, but the Tower kept him in the air for no reason; refusing him. The Plane crashed and is now stored in the Hanger there along with the "Just Jane" Lanc and other displays of crashed aircraft. Anyway to cut a long story short, the Pilot walks from his crashed aircraft to the Control Tower asking the reason why. Folk's say that there can see strange lights near the spit and the tower http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Strange that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hot Space

ashley2005
07-26-2005, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotSpace:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
I knew it Hot space, and tried looking for the spirited chap, didn't see him though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. To be honest i'm a little sceptical of it all really.

A few years back though a TV crew put some camera's in there for the TV show "Strange but true" hosted by Michael Asple. There were reports of seeing a pin ***** of light from a torch moving around in the fuselarge, which made was seen by the cameras. A bit creep but i'm not sure about it.

A **** lovely aircraft though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



If this thread can be kept alive for a while, i hope to get my webspace up and running soon, and i'll put up a whole load more pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, that's where I remember it from m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I went to RAF East Kirkby a few weeks back (The Photo's didn't really come out because the camera was **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif) and they've got a reconstructed fuselage of a crashed Spitfire Vb. The Pilot wanted to land as he was very low on fuel, but the Tower kept him in the air for no reason; refusing him. The Plane crashed and is now stored in the Hanger there along with the "Just Jane" Lanc and other displays of crashed aircraft. Anyway to cut a long story short, the Pilot walks from his crashed aircraft to the Control Tower asking the reason why. Folk's say that there can see strange lights near the spit and the tower http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Strange that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hot Space </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wasnt that on most haunted lol ??

spitfire22287
07-26-2005, 12:20 PM
Awesome pics! But the photos of beautiful "Black 6" stir up some anger, hatred, and animosity deep down inside me.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I think most people here know why... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Bluedog72
07-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Why is black 6 'infamous'? and why does it stir such emotions in Mr Spitfire? (apart from the obvious that its a 109)

Is that the aircraft in which Mark Hannah lost his life?

WTE_Pharoah
07-26-2005, 11:41 PM
forgive my ignorance but why was the 'famous Black 6' ME109 famous? ie. who flew it?

gorillasika
07-27-2005, 02:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Pharoah:
forgive my ignorance but why was the 'famous Black 6' ME109 famous? ie. who flew it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...111008723#7111008723 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8911017723/r/7111008723#7111008723)

Nice pics Arm_slinger. I wish I could one day fly bf110 with working night equipment in this sim.

hotspace
07-27-2005, 04:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ashley2005:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotSpace:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
I knew it Hot space, and tried looking for the spirited chap, didn't see him though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. To be honest i'm a little sceptical of it all really.

A few years back though a TV crew put some camera's in there for the TV show "Strange but true" hosted by Michael Asple. There were reports of seeing a pin ***** of light from a torch moving around in the fuselarge, which made was seen by the cameras. A bit creep but i'm not sure about it.

A **** lovely aircraft though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



If this thread can be kept alive for a while, i hope to get my webspace up and running soon, and i'll put up a whole load more pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, that's where I remember it from m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I went to RAF East Kirkby a few weeks back (The Photo's didn't really come out because the camera was **** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif) and they've got a reconstructed fuselage of a crashed Spitfire Vb. The Pilot wanted to land as he was very low on fuel, but the Tower kept him in the air for no reason; refusing him. The Plane crashed and is now stored in the Hanger there along with the "Just Jane" Lanc and other displays of crashed aircraft. Anyway to cut a long story short, the Pilot walks from his crashed aircraft to the Control Tower asking the reason why. Folk's say that there can see strange lights near the spit and the tower http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Strange that one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hot Space </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wasnt that on most haunted lol ?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, 'fraid so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hot Space

spitfire22287
07-27-2005, 06:25 AM
It doesnt stir emotion in me because its a Bf-109....its what happened to it that does.

Black 6 was the only completely 100% authentic Bf-109 in the modern airshow circuit (it might also have been the only 100% authentic warbird flying at the time, period) It was in flying condition, and it had all original German parts, as if it had come straight from the factory that built it.

Well, on the day of is crash, the pilot who was a Bf-109 "noob" noticed some bluish/black smoke coming from the engine, and believed he had a engine problems. (In reality, this behavior was common for Bf-109's and was simply excess oil burning, or something to that extent.)
Well, the dumb@ss pilot panicked, and threw the plane into the most abomination of a landing, and ended up on its back as per the photos that gorillasika posted in the link.

So, there you have it, the worlds only flyable 100% original warbird (and a rare Bf-109 at that) was severly damaged and is no longer flyable, but stuck in a musuem, no longer to grace the skies again. Why? All because of some pilots ignorance....I wish the crash had killed him... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

whiteladder
07-27-2005, 08:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why? All because of some pilots ignorance....I wish the crash had killed him... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


This place really can be a real stink hole some times, mainly because of people who say things like this!

NO object is worth more than a persons life.

Arm_slinger
07-27-2005, 03:35 PM
Keep the flame fuel out of my thread please.....

She would of survived if the 300 yards of run way was still there. It was cut off so that the M11 motorway could be built. (bloody stupid idea imo to put it at the very end of an airfield)


The pilot was a novice. He played around with the radiators and took them off the automatic setting. As a result during the display, the engine cooked and a white vapour came out. he was in a bad position to land, came in too fast, had to hop the motorway with a dead engine and only JUST made it before flipping in on the ploughed land.


As sad as it is to see her grounded, it;s better than not having her at all.

All the time I fly the G2 in game, I have my black 6 skin on....

whiteladder
07-27-2005, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Keep the flame fuel out of my thread please.....

She would of survived if the 300 yards of run way was still there. It was cut off so that the M11 motorway could be built. (bloody stupid idea imo to put it at the very end of an airfield)


The pilot was a novice. He played around with the radiators and took them off the automatic setting. As a result during the display, the engine cooked and a white vapour came out. he was in a bad position to land, came in too fast, had to hop the motorway with a dead engine and only JUST made it before flipping in on the ploughed land.


As sad as it is to see her grounded, it;s better than not having her at all.

All the time I fly the G2 in game, I have my black 6 skin on.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not my intention to turn this into a flame fest,
but wishing people dead is a step too far in my book and deserves a response.

People should also be careful about what the they say about the pilot Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison. Far from being a novice he was a very experienced pilot.

From the accident report

"He had a total of 18 hours flying experience on G-USTV gained over a period of 6.5 years since the second flight of the aircraft after its restoration to flying condition.The pilot had flown between four and seven sorties in the aircraft during each of the summer display seasons in the intervening years. The accident flight was the pilot's fifth flight in the aircraft during 1997, a total of 2 hours 20 minutes flying. Interspersed with this, in addition to his military flying,the pilot had also flown about 70 types of historic and light aircraft types including,most recently, Spitfires, Sea Hurricane and Yak-50. He is also an experienced glider pilot."

The accident report was unable to determine beyond a resonable doubt what the radiator level positon was, but surmised that it wasn`t fully in the automatic detent.

The pilot having been notified from the ground of vapour coming from the engine, and a smell of oil and coolant in the cockpit assumed there was a oil leak and chose to land immediately.

Again from the accident report

"The pilot's judgement at the time was that the most probable cause of the problem was an oil
leak,with the consequent expectation of an imminent engine seizure,the possibility of a fire and the expectation of a very poor glide performance in the event of an engine seizure."

The reason the landing was so fast is also explained.

"He was aware of the need to maintain a speed of at least 200 kph in order to ensure sufficient elevator authority for the landing flare in that event."

It is also worth noting this was going to be the last flight of Black 6 before going on static display at Hendon anyway.

After the crash and while trapped in the cockpit, dosed in petrol he refused to let the firecrew cut him out of the plane so that no more damage was done to it, he remain upside down in the plane for 45 minutes until he was rescued.