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bubiH
10-28-2004, 12:45 PM
...reveals same problem as in every game in the IL-2 series: dive modelling. There is none.

In shallow or steep dives, A6M5 series can dive just as well as F6F. Just as, in FB/AEP, Spitfire Mk. IX dives just as well as FW190.

This will seriously impact Allied tactics against Japanese fighters. In the war, the only sure means to escape a pursuing Japanese fighter was to dive to max speed then roll or turn. This will not work in PF. Too bad.

bubiH
10-28-2004, 12:45 PM
...reveals same problem as in every game in the IL-2 series: dive modelling. There is none.

In shallow or steep dives, A6M5 series can dive just as well as F6F. Just as, in FB/AEP, Spitfire Mk. IX dives just as well as FW190.

This will seriously impact Allied tactics against Japanese fighters. In the war, the only sure means to escape a pursuing Japanese fighter was to dive to max speed then roll or turn. This will not work in PF. Too bad.

BuzzU
10-28-2004, 12:55 PM
Think B&Z with a wingman on the Zekes below doing their circle jerk.

NegativeGee
10-28-2004, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bubiH:
This will not work in PF. Too bad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to put too fine a point on it, but thats Rubbish.

effte
10-29-2004, 03:18 AM
-nz,
I think you are sugar coating it a bit too much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
10-29-2004, 03:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bubiH:
...reveals same problem as in every game in the IL-2 series: dive modelling. There is none.

In shallow or steep dives, A6M5 series can dive just as well as F6F. Just as, in FB/AEP, Spitfire Mk. IX dives just as well as FW190.

This will seriously impact Allied tactics against Japanese fighters. In the war, the only sure means to escape a pursuing Japanese fighter was to dive to max speed then roll or turn. This will not work in PF. Too bad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you do a search on this? Someone recently proved there was dive modelling beyond question in ORR with graphs and all that kinda stuff.

bubiH
10-29-2004, 05:53 AM
I tested rigorously the F6F-5 against A6M2, A6M5, and A6M5c in both shallow (40 degree) and vertical dives from 5,000m. Same test I used to show that the Spitfire IX dives equal with FW-190A and FW-190D series in Forgotten Battles/AEP. This is an obvious FM problem, and I just wanted to check if anything had changed for Pacific Fighters.

My results: A6M5 series planes dive equally with the Hellcat (or any American plane). A6M2 is 5% slower in dives than the Hellcat. Of course, IRL, no Zero could stay with the American aircraft going downhill.

We will have to wait for a future flight sim to practice real, historical tactics. For now, we have a really fun game.

Enjoy!

Snootles
10-29-2004, 06:04 AM
Mullarkey! I'm not knowledgeable enough to say whether it is perfectly accurate, but dive modeling does exist in spades. Testing out planes in AEP from 5 km in a 60-degree dive- A6M begins to break apart at 680 km/h IAS, P-47 hits 900 km/h and has to pull out or risk running out of sky.

WOLFMondo
10-29-2004, 07:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=167005207&p=1

NegativeGee
10-29-2004, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by effte:
-nz,
I think you are sugar coating it a bit too much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm... should I have gone with CAPS after all? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

So bubiH, can we have a track so we can see what you have observed for ourselves?