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3.JG51_BigBear
10-11-2004, 02:48 PM
Is anyone other than myself excited to fly the Buffalo. Although I've only ever had the opportunity to fly it offline, I really like the B-239. I know that the F2F will be a much heavier and far less aerobatic AC but it should still be really cool to do some Midway scenarios with it.

Snootles
10-11-2004, 02:53 PM
The F2A-1 will be a lot like the Finnish B-239. It's the -2 and -3 models that are on the heavy side.

It's neat how much support the Buffalo has received since its Finnish FB debut, that all three American versions are making their way into PF.

horseback
10-11-2004, 03:05 PM
F2F was a real airplane, the biplane older brother of the Wildcat, and a helluva fun airpane to fly, from all accounts.

F2A Buffalos that made it into combat with the USN/USMC did not survive the experience; the Buffalos flown by the RAF/RNZAF did somewhat better, primarily against Ki-27s and Ki21s. Even so, it was generally not a positive experience for those involved.

cheers

horseback

GoToAway
10-11-2004, 03:33 PM
I'm a huge B-239 fan. It's probably my favorite of the "**** planes."

That said, I'll probably never even try the A-2 and A-3 just so that my view of it isn't ruined forever. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Did the A-1 ever actually see combat in the USN? The only battle that I can recall the F2A flying in offhand was Midway, and I think that those were all A-3s...

Penguin_PFF
10-11-2004, 03:40 PM
The F2A-1 was out of service at the time of Pearl Harbor. I think there was actually ONE of them flying with a training unit in California.

The F2A-2 and its export variants (Buffalo Mk.1, Model 339C/D for the Dutch East Indies) were the most important in the Pacific. The F2A-3 was also significant. The A-3 was really the point where the Buffalo went to **** as a design, according to most of the pilot testimony I've read. The extra armor and increase in fuel capacity turned the plane into a (bigger) pig. Not that the plane was inherently bad, it just wasn't enough for serious combat.

The priority for putting the F2A into the game was (and still is) F2A-2, Buffalo Mk.1, and F2A-3, in that order. I'm hoping the 339C/D is also a possibility. It depends on the references available.

JG53Frankyboy
10-11-2004, 03:48 PM
im wondering aboutthe F2A-2 ?
saw it combat action with US forces ??
i think not , only the F2A-3 in Midway.

but sure , the F2A-2 has the "similar" fuselage (and spinner ) like the important B-339C/D/E .
its alwasy the question of modelling , that i can realy understand http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

if Rangoon and Singapore maps are realy comming , the Brewster MkI/B-339E will sure have high priority http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SkyChimp
10-11-2004, 07:17 PM
The only WWII combat that the F2A saw in American hands was an attack on a Japanese submarine by USS Lexington VF-2 aircraft (F2A-3s) shortly after Pearl Harbor. Other than that, the Marines used them inauspiciously at Midway.

VMF223_Smitty
10-12-2004, 05:40 AM
For a nice site on the F3F go to The Grumman Story - Part Three (http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Grumman3.html)

For the F2F The Grumman Story - Part Two (http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Grumman2.html)

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/f2f.JPG

DuxCorvan
10-12-2004, 01:52 PM
...And even before, Grumman FF. The export version (G-23) was used for ground attack here in Spain during SCW. Republicans called him Delf√¬*n ('Dolphin'), and esteemed it too much. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sigh! how I want my SCW sim... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrvalverde/DELFINV1.JPG