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Mike8686
08-10-2004, 07:57 AM
When flying 109 i usually take the G10. First of all I'd like to briefly explain how I fly it. When I run into enemy aircraft at 350kph or less I go ahead and attempt to turn-fight them using combat flaps and deceleration pre-turn and acceleration during turn or post-turn depending on situation (Throttling up and down). If he ever tries to pull something off that I doubt I can follow I just climb and try to reposition, dive, and attack. When speed is above 350 kph I wont even think about turn-fighting, I'll try to sneak up, if they manuever I'll just climb and let him lose energy with his stupid annoying aim spoiling manuever. I'll follow up with an attempt to reposition, dive and attack, and because my aim with the 109's weapons is HORRIBLE I'll usually end up just scaring him into manuevering and then climb back up and let him lose energy, if I think I'll hit, I'll shoot with all weapons, if I know I'll miss, I'll shoot with my lil'guns just to scare him into E-bleeding manuevers (dont wanna waste 108 ammo, sucks to only have puny guns, never shot anything down with-em yet). I try to make this go on until either I finally hit him or he's sooo low on energy that it becomes real easy to get him. You guys please verify these tactics are ok and throw in your own opinions as I am noob and can't be sure I know what I'm doing.

Secondly i'd like to ask for tactics vs Hf Spitfire IX '43. I noticed quite fast that these planes gave me the most trouble and they were the only planes that scared me, then yesterday I decided I could use target practice so I used QMB to make game with me in G10 and 16 enemy planes with empty gunpods. After struggling to hit things with my G10 for a while, I decided to see what it was like to fly and shoot with that spitfire. Now spitfires no longer scare me, they terrify me. The turning on that thing is AMAZING, I could just switch from attacking one plane to the other like it was nothing, I dont know but it seems to me that it climbs beautifully (does it climb better than G10?) and it was SO easy to aim on it, I was able to get long range shots on the bogeys (.45km-.5km is long range for me, I dunno about you guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), its so easy to aim with its guns. So how do you guys counter such an aircraft? Also which planes bleeds speed during manuevers faster spitty or g10? Which retains its energy better? Which accelerates better? Which rolls better? It it possible to shoot down anything with the G2's puny guns?

Mike8686
08-10-2004, 07:57 AM
When flying 109 i usually take the G10. First of all I'd like to briefly explain how I fly it. When I run into enemy aircraft at 350kph or less I go ahead and attempt to turn-fight them using combat flaps and deceleration pre-turn and acceleration during turn or post-turn depending on situation (Throttling up and down). If he ever tries to pull something off that I doubt I can follow I just climb and try to reposition, dive, and attack. When speed is above 350 kph I wont even think about turn-fighting, I'll try to sneak up, if they manuever I'll just climb and let him lose energy with his stupid annoying aim spoiling manuever. I'll follow up with an attempt to reposition, dive and attack, and because my aim with the 109's weapons is HORRIBLE I'll usually end up just scaring him into manuevering and then climb back up and let him lose energy, if I think I'll hit, I'll shoot with all weapons, if I know I'll miss, I'll shoot with my lil'guns just to scare him into E-bleeding manuevers (dont wanna waste 108 ammo, sucks to only have puny guns, never shot anything down with-em yet). I try to make this go on until either I finally hit him or he's sooo low on energy that it becomes real easy to get him. You guys please verify these tactics are ok and throw in your own opinions as I am noob and can't be sure I know what I'm doing.

Secondly i'd like to ask for tactics vs Hf Spitfire IX '43. I noticed quite fast that these planes gave me the most trouble and they were the only planes that scared me, then yesterday I decided I could use target practice so I used QMB to make game with me in G10 and 16 enemy planes with empty gunpods. After struggling to hit things with my G10 for a while, I decided to see what it was like to fly and shoot with that spitfire. Now spitfires no longer scare me, they terrify me. The turning on that thing is AMAZING, I could just switch from attacking one plane to the other like it was nothing, I dont know but it seems to me that it climbs beautifully (does it climb better than G10?) and it was SO easy to aim on it, I was able to get long range shots on the bogeys (.45km-.5km is long range for me, I dunno about you guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), its so easy to aim with its guns. So how do you guys counter such an aircraft? Also which planes bleeds speed during manuevers faster spitty or g10? Which retains its energy better? Which accelerates better? Which rolls better? It it possible to shoot down anything with the G2's puny guns?

OldMan____
08-10-2004, 08:23 AM
I think most people criteria for high speed if flawed. 350 kpm is not HIGH speed.. high speed is 420 up for me. So .. I prefer to engage under 400 ONLY .. ONLY when I am sure this will give me a snapshot at point blank range that I can´t miss. Otherwise (I i think I may not hit him.. or would need some time chasing.. ) I just make anything needed to raise speed.. even disengage.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

BuzZz_WG
08-10-2004, 08:46 AM
I get Spitfires from high and fast. Really high and fast. If I don't have such advantage I won't attack but run like hell. In a BF109 you almost allways have a disadvantage if you don't have a big altitude/speed advantage. You can't turn like they do, but at least you can run away if you get in trouble. You can dive with a lot more speed before your wings come off.

BREAK! BREAK!
Nevermind...

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2004, 08:52 AM
Turning, turning, why is it always turning? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Especially against Spits, you're flying like a fool. And you deserve to die, screaming in a high pitched voice, "Scheisse, so eine Scheisse, sie haben mich erwischt!!!"

When you first spot the enemy, for one, he shouldn't be above you, but at best level. If that's not the case, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif you've been flying like a fool all sortie to this point, and you're toast.

If he is below you, where he ought to be if you brought enough alt to the fight, or co-alt, climb. Use the strength of your ride.

Your typical Ivan or over-aggressive furballer will take the bait and wade right into you, climbing into a fight like the bigger fool he is. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif Make him pay. Drag him up, up, up, sapping his energy as you go. THEN, drop those flaps, make a quick reversal or hammerhead and dive down on his near-stall, pig-wallowing butt and flame him.

Against the '43 Spit that might be a little problematic, since they're one of those "AG" (for anti-gravity) Soviet mods that don't seem to lose energy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif So, you have to really be a good judge of energy state. Spit '43s, as well as La5FNs, and the entire crop of late war planes will do climbing Yeltsin loop attacks all day, and it's HARD to whittle down their E enough to get a haymaker in. So exercise some caution. It might take a few feint passes (to get them to blow E in evasive break turns) or a couple of "drag-'em-up" spiral climbs to get them to shed all that speed.

But, to answer your specific questions about the Spit, it turns better, climbs nearly the same, accelerates a little slower, should roll quite a bit slower, and yes, has guns that never fail to instantly put oil on your windscreen. The guys above are right; don't even engage it unless you have some aces (like alt and speed) up your sleeve. Find friendlies and run like hell.

carguy_
08-10-2004, 09:29 AM
Some of you guys talk like total newbs.Drag him high?Get him high?LOL maybe ppl don`t know but in FB spit is sooo overmodelled that with clilmbing his top speed actually RAISES and reaches about 680@6000m!Me109 is completely outperformed up high.Ofcourse you can risk sudden engine failure and enable MW50 but Oleg`s team had been working hardly to make Me109 drivers resign of that option.

There is absolutely no way you could fight a Spit high even on level alt.The only point in climbing high is gaining a chance to actually RUN AWAY in a dive and to engage him at @4000m if you know the Spit pilot isn`t very good.


In real life Me109 didn`t have so much problem because of superb team tactics.When you have even two team mates around you should know how to work toghether.Plus Spit pilots are often suckers for 2v1 encounters and never watch their 6.
Believe me,a team mate knowing what to do beats every single plane tactic against Spit.


MK108 is not a weapon that should be used against fighters.Low muzzle velocity,muzzle flash,fire rate make it a bad weapon,not mentioning bugged DM.
MG 151/20 is a very nice weapon and the MUZZLE FLASH isn`t visible from the cockpit so you can trace your bullets waay more effectively.Who said you should fire the MGs all the time?

The sad part is that Oleg didn`t want MG151/20 to be in later G models and sadly the DM particulary for this weapon is very wrong.

Again,too much flaws in Me109 aswell as FW190 modelling we have in FB.

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China Flanker 1
08-10-2004, 09:42 AM
speed is the wife of bf109

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2004, 10:41 AM
Well, carguy, I'm inclined to agree with you on the over-ueberness of the Spit and a few other *cough* chosen *cough* planes in FB...

But even so, these concepts are based in reality and work more often than not, even against overmodelled trash; it's just harder than it ought to be to get the job done.

Far better than trying to turn with a Spit, something you're NEVER gonna win at, whether the Spit's accurately modeled or NOT.

carguy_
08-10-2004, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Far better than trying to turn with a Spit, something you're NEVER gonna win at, whether the Spit's accurately modeled or NOT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weeeeeeel,yuo can always blast his elevator and outturn himhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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LilHorse
08-10-2004, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
MK108 is not a weapon that should be used against fighters.Low muzzle velocity,muzzle flash,fire rate make it a bad weapon,not mentioning bugged DM.
MG 151/20 is a very nice weapon and the MUZZLE FLASH isn`t visible from the cockpit so you can trace your bullets waay more effectively.Who said you should fire the MGs all the time?

The sad part is that Oleg didn`t want MG151/20 to be in later G models and sadly the DM particulary for this weapon is very wrong.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find this annoying as well. When I'm forced to fly later 109s, which I don't like, I'm also forced to take the MK-108, which I also don't like. I'd much rather have the MG 151/20. Less flash, flatter trajectory, more ammo.

mortoma
08-10-2004, 01:46 PM
[QUOTE]I'll shoot with my lil'guns just to scare him into E-bleeding manuevers (dont wanna waste 108 ammo, sucks to only have puny guns, never shot anything down with-em yet).[QUOTE]

You are kidding??? Or maybe you are just not a great shot? My strategy in offline campaigns,when flying late 109s, is to use my big guns only on the bombers. Then once I shoot down as many bombers as I can with the big gun and it's out of ammo, I go back and start to shoot the hell out of the fighters with my Mgs. The heavier Mgs on the late 109s just tear the hell out of fighters if you hit them in the right places. Just the other day I shot a P-39Q10 to shreds at mid-range using my Mgs. He literally just disintegrated before my eyes. Sounds like you could work on your gunnery. Most of the dudes that always need big cannons to do their dirty work are ususally bad shots, so they need a lot of bang for their buck. Learn to be a good shot and it will do more for your kill count than learning all the fancy manuevering junk in the world. Get back to basics!! Too many FB players, both online and off seem to be obsessed with fancy manuevers and tactics but ignore gunnery practice. Not good. What good does it do you to master "BnZ", turn fighting or energy fighting if you still can't hit the broad side of a barn??

mortoma
08-10-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Some of you guys talk like total newbs.Drag him high?Get him high?LOL maybe ppl don`t know but in FB spit is sooo overmodelled that with clilmbing his top speed actually RAISES and reaches about 680@6000m!Me109 is completely outperformed up high.Ofcourse you can risk sudden engine failure and enable MW50 but Oleg`s team had been working hardly to make Me109 drivers resign of that option.
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Carguy, what are you talking about??? I have never once blown an engine in a 109 by engaging MW-50. Not that I can remember anyway. I just reduce to zero throttle for a couple or three seconds, engage it and then back up on the throttle. No fuss or muss.

III-JG27_DV8
08-10-2004, 02:21 PM
Well if you don't already know. The Spitfire IX is very much over modeled. It flies with the performance of the Spitfire XIV and even better (no engine overheat).

The K4 is only thing that can outclimb it. But even then, it's only marginal.

I faught meina222 yesterday (him in Spitfire IX and I in a 109K4 w/50% fuel). I was able to beat him to alt; but even I burned my engine in getting the most out of her (actually, I burned it two times on accident and one time it surprised me).

As to TnB on the deck or low alts; lets just say that the K4 CAN hang with the Spitfire IX. It's all a matter of the pilot's understanding of ACM and the execution accordingly.

As to power climbing once in a TnB fight; the K4 wins - hands down. However, I will state that the mis-judgement of the Spitfire IX's E retention happens to me (and I don't normally miss this).

Betweent he La7 and the Spitfire IX; the Allied fighters have it made. The Yak3, at least, requires some ACM.

Anyhow, for me it's the K4. I love her. With Hammerds Skin on her; she is the most gorgeous looking fighter bar none. She's also very menacing looking.

Happy Hunting

S!
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Xnomad
08-10-2004, 02:28 PM
Well I've managed to use the scissors on quite a few Spit IX online and against some pretty good pilots too. This is whilst flying a G-6 A/S, G-10 and a K-4. I managed to out scissor two at one point but when a 3rd one joined in I was a gonner.

My favourite one was against quite a well known online pilot I scissored him out infront of me and blew his a$$ out of the sky http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Then again I think the IX is more dangerous after the patch as there are moments were my scissoring just wasn't enough and the guy pulled enough lead on me to knock me out. Even scissoring right into stall speed which the Spit IX IMHO couldn't follow before the patch.

What also annoys me is that now the Spit IX can fly the whole mission on full power and WEP and not overheat. I spent ages the other day on full speed in a K-4 trying to catch a Spit who didn't even know I was there. When I was just about to blow him away he noticed, and by then I was overheating and he almost shot me down because of that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Xnomad
08-10-2004, 02:41 PM
I'd just like to add that the MK 108 is fine against the fighters. As stated above, use your MG's until you know you'll hit then use the MK 108.

I'm not going to say it is the patch, but since it came out I've had some amazing 90 degree high speed deflection shots from very far away hit with the MK 108, maybe I've just become much better with it as I've been frequently making some shots with it that I would be happy hitting with even an MG 151/20mm cannon.

Plus primarily as a 109 driver you should be focusing on bouncing your adversary and not dogfighting with him, if he notices you then just fight your greedy instincts and find some other half asleep guy to blow to pieces. I know I have trouble too and get greedy and end up getting bounced by several of his buddies whilst I turn with him.

The MK 108 is the Boom and Zoomers dream weapon as the kill with one pass is very likely with this cannon.

Nevertheless I would still like to see a 20mm option for the late Bf 109's as I would like to use the 20mm for offline play.

As for engaging MW 50 you only have to drop the throttle for a split second to engage it, should you need it. I used to engage it before take off but found that I would abuse it too much. I like a nice cold aircraft so I fly with Rads open full and throttle back to 90 or even 80% so that when the fight starts I can fly harder for longer.

Lord-Raptor
08-10-2004, 03:19 PM
Well first off you should try the FW190 then the BF109 because the FW is just supior in BnZ'n

You guys are totally wrong, The Spitfire is the most beaiful aircraft in the game, and one of the best, and you you wonder why you cant beat them???

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crazyivan1970
08-10-2004, 03:22 PM
DV8 i`m with you on that one... K4 is the baddest ... you know what in this game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Would "SOME" of you stop crying about super-allied planes already? Ever heard of G2, G6/AS or K4? Hello?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Manos1
08-10-2004, 03:38 PM
Hallo Mike8686,

Thanks for the nice explanation of your tactics. I will keep your post for future reference, it is much more compact that trying to explain 20 pages of R.Shaw's energy tactics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

To give you some answers to your main question: Fighting the Spitfire IX!
You can not beat a flawed model using tactics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Not this model!
This Spit flies without any overheat, turns like the devil (if you know how to turn it), climbs like Hell, its guns are able to kill at long distances...the dream machine.

Since we fly officialy OKL planes, we fly it incognito from time to time just to amuse ourselves. A typical example of the superiority of this plane: One of our very good pilots got into a dogfight against six OKL planes in a very well known server in HL.
He flew for 5 minutes 1 vs six - an impossible feat if you are in a Bf109. And made six kills http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
To cut the long story short: 1)This model comes from another world, it should be banned....
2a) If your opponent knows how to fly it, you are dead meat!
2b) If your opponent does not know how to fly it, you have a chance.
I prefer flying Bf109-G6/AS myself but G10 can do the job as well. You can not outclimb this Spit (if you have the same energy level), I prefer angles combat. Nose to nose and use your MGs to score hits (Remember NO HEAD ONs the Spit's guns will rip you to pieces!).
And keep your nerves. It happened more than once that, on the fourth nose to nose pass the Spit broke to pieces from the hits of my MGs even if it had not shown any evident hits from the distance (you do not always see the bullet impacts of the MGs).
If you are not lucky enough to enter nose to nose combat: I have entered many continuous turn fights against this Spit. If your opponent knows how to fly it, you are dead meat anyway. Since he does not, you can keep the pace against him.
I have seen many Spit pilots lose their nerves after the fourth concecutive turn seeing that the Bf109 can hold the turn against them. If they disengage you are on their six!

3) If you want to survive it, have a wingman which flies as good as you do (and shoots a little better).


Now, just to discuss a little about the rest of your comments, I noticed you mentionned speed.
What you need to know is the best turning speed and the best turning speed compared to the plane you are flying against.

I can not show you the results for your plane as I am somewhere in the Greek islands on holidays http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif and have a very slow GPRS connection here.
But here is an example (ommit the Greek/latin text) of a Bf-110 vs a P-38.
Look at the TURN TIME compared to True AirSpeed at 1000meters altitude. It is the time in seconds for the corresping plane to do a 360? turn.
Both planes are turning without combat flaps.
http://www.astc.de/temp/il2compare/09IL2Compare_100vsP38.JPG

Altough the best turn rate of the Bf-110 (no combat flaps) is 340Km/h at this speed the P-38 turns equally good at this speed.
At 375Km/h the P-38 turns much better 22secs compared to the Bf-110 25secs.
The solution is sustained turns at 320Km/h where your Bf-110 has the best turn advantage compared to the P-38!!!!
This is information on the thoretical capabilities of your machines vs the opponent.
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[This message was edited by Manos1 on Tue August 10 2004 at 02:47 PM.]

El Turo
08-10-2004, 03:47 PM
Edit: I hate flying the Spit.. never have made friends with that stupid thing. Every once in a while I'll take one up to try and make friends.. but it just doesn't work out. Feh.

BTW.. DV8 is a noob, but I love him anyway.

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Fellas, the cowl MGs on the late 109s aren't exactly pea-shooters, either. They're roughly the equivalent of 50-cals, man! That's some serious hitting power.. and it's all centerline which, IMHO, doubles the effectiveness of the weapon in question.

The big bummer about the 109s in IL2/FB is the stupid muzzle flash. It is ab-so-lutely rediculous and I'm hoping that Oleg & Co. come through with their promise to revisit the textures when Pacific Fighters comes out.

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VW-IceFire
08-10-2004, 04:08 PM
My suggestion, trade in that G-10 (for now at least) and fly the G-6A/S for a while. And don't equip that bloody MK108 cannon either. Everyone puts on the 30mm cannon and thinks that it gives them instant advantage. Take it off, use the MG151/20. You aim with this weapon will be just as good (or nearly so) as with the Hispano (muzzle velocity still being lower).

109G-6A/S is a very closely matched aircraft to the IXc. As always, the best place to be is on the attack...if you're on the defensive in either plane, your chances aren't good. The trick is to stay on the attack...be above, with energy, and behind if possible. Finally, with a little luck, and some good gunnery, you should have damaged or shot him down.

Works well in the G-10 and the K-4 as well but that MK108 is hard to aim with (you need to be much closer because the shot isn't traveling nearly as far and because you are blinded by the small nova going on your nose when you fire). TX-Warhawk just demonstated to me quite nicely how BNZ is done against Spitfires...his target never had a chance and it was because of alt advantage and good energy management.

Don't turn with them...thats the key.

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Lord-Raptor
08-10-2004, 04:19 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by El Turo:
Edit: I hate flying the Spit.. never have made friends with that stupid thing. Every once in a while I'll take one up to try and make friends.. but it just doesn't work out. Feh.

LoL ???

Stupid thing you say http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif, that is most proberly the best god damn plane in FB/AEP

God Bless our SPITFIRE!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2004, 05:18 PM
IceFire, I don't use the 30mm because I think it gives me "a big advantage".

It's a tradeoff, really. I give up magazine size for % of kill IF I hit with it.

Sometimes, a fat burst of 20mm sparkling along the wing root does bugger all, but one 30mm shell on the wing of a plane crossing your nose at high angle off works wonders.

I have learned to be a pretty decent shot with it at close range, even though the shells seem to go sideways at times.

The 30mm is a viable option. Personally, I'd use it for bomber hunting only *IF* the 20mm weren't so anemic. Some days, when you figure in lag, it just isn't worth it to pack the standard gun.

MOH_SKID.
08-10-2004, 05:22 PM
Only _carguy briefly mentioned the best weapon against against the SpitIX... your wingman!

S~
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El Turo
08-10-2004, 05:26 PM
Dude, don't I know it! For some reason, I just haven't made peace with it. Ironically, I find the views restrictive and the guns ineffective. Yes, yes, I know.. twin hispanos rawk and all that. I don't have the answers for why.. if I did, I wouldn't be sitting here telling you that I don't along well with the Spits.

*shrug*

Give me a P38, P40, P47, P51 or Hurricane before a Spit and I'll do much better. I get frustrated with the midget-view(tm) in the Spit and I hate the useless .303's on the outboard section of the wing. Bleh.

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WTE_Galway
08-10-2004, 07:10 PM
basically if you have a gunfighter "high noon" turn of mind and revel on the idea of one on one showdowns ace vs ace .. do not fly the 109 its not that sort of aircraft

nachwuchs
08-11-2004, 03:59 AM
Hi! I'm no expert. actually i just started of on FB in January this year.

I'm having trouble with spitfires and La's too, but after i read a few books like "The Blond Knight of Jermany" and "JG 26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe" among others i have found Erich Hartmann's technique very usefull especially with the killer MK 108.

I don't go straight diving down and shoot but what I do is shoot while zooming up at a very close distance to the enemy plane where muzzle flashes is of no concern, basically Hartmann's tactic of "See, Decide, Attack, Coffe break".

I'm getting better at ranging and deflection shots but i still prefer shooting at point blank, even with the 20 mm's because i can save amo and get more kills especially with the MK 108. (max 8 Kills off line with enemy veteran and aces)

So i think point blank is better for people new to this game and take time to learn ranging shots.

I'm trying out ranging and deflection shot on a FW-190 A6 and what I can say is that the 190's are very powerful. I've tried replacing the outer 20 mm's for 30 mm's and the effect is like having turbo laser on a prop plane. WOW!!