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Xiolablu3
11-12-2010, 06:03 AM
Hi Guys, do any of you know of any restoration projects going on for these aircraft? I have never seen a real one fly at an air display in my lifetime.

Would love to see one of these planes in the air again.

Anyone have any info? (I'm sure Icefire knows the answer to this one)

Xiolablu3
11-12-2010, 06:03 AM
Hi Guys, do any of you know of any restoration projects going on for these aircraft? I have never seen a real one fly at an air display in my lifetime.

Would love to see one of these planes in the air again.

Anyone have any info? (I'm sure Icefire knows the answer to this one)

crucislancer
11-12-2010, 08:51 AM
According to the link below, there are a number of restoration projects underway, but I'm not sure how current the info is:

http://www.hawkertempest.se/Summary.htm

RegRag1977
11-12-2010, 08:58 AM
Yes, it's surprising that anyone never restored such great aircraft. I think i heard a long time ago that there was a Tempest or a Typhoon (not sure) being restored at Duxford. I don't know if it is being restored to flying conditions though ....

Could this be due to their complex Sabre engines?

briyeo
11-12-2010, 11:29 AM
Kermit Weeks blog june 2010

http://blog.kermitweeks.com/?p=1337

http://blog.kermitweeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Tempest-1.jpg

GBrutus
11-12-2010, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by briyeo:
Kermit Weeks blog june 2010

http://blog.kermitweeks.com/?p=1337 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks for the link, briyeo. So this one is going to be on static display with a view to making it airworthy some day. I can't think of any other rare aircraft I would rather see fly again. What a sight and sound that would be... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Art-J
11-12-2010, 01:52 PM
With current Beaufighter restoration programs going very slow because of lack of Hercules engines (amongst other things, of course), I don't expect seeing any other sleeve-valve machinery in the air in the nearest future!

Cheers - Art

DKoor
11-12-2010, 01:56 PM
I'd love to see Typhoon in IL-2... an aircraft to my taste...

briyeo
11-13-2010, 08:21 AM
According to KW there are only 10 Napier Sabre engines in existance and he has two of them

http://www.khulsey.com/masters/makoto_ouchi_napier_sabre.jpeg

JSG72
11-13-2010, 11:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Art-J:
With current Beaufighter restoration programs going very slow because of lack of Hercules engines (amongst other things, of course), I don't expect seeing any other sleeve-valve machinery in the air in the nearest future!

Cheers - Art </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blooming Heck! It certainly does take a long time. They had the Beaufighter under restoration when I was there. In 1998!

Xiolablu3
11-13-2010, 12:07 PM
Thanks guys.

COuld anyone describe the pros and cons of a sleeve valve engine over a 'normal' engine, please?

TheGrunch
11-13-2010, 12:20 PM
Wikipedia, GO! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeve_valve)

Rjel
11-13-2010, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
I'd love to see Typhoon in IL-2... an aircraft to my taste... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is in IL-2 if you look in the right places.

Xiolablu3
11-13-2010, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGrunch:
Wikipedia, GO! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeve_valve) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahaaa! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CloCloZ
11-13-2010, 01:24 PM
According to a 2007 report of "The Hawker Tempest Page" webmaster about Kermit's Tempest V (code EJ693) restoration, one of the restorators told him that <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">"the Tempest airframe will be restored to airworthy condition. The difference in price doing this and just to restore it to static condition is minimal. But to restore a Napier Sabre to running condition would cost around £1.500.000 to £ 2.000.000, there is no guarantee of reliability... In other words, the airframe will be restored to flying condition but it will most likely never fly again while part of Kermit's collection."</span>
http://www.hawkertempest.se/EJ693.htm

Another statement by Kermit is that <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">"One day, we’ll hear a Sabre again, but I couldn’t tell you when"</span> (Kermit's post in his own blog, year 2009)

I'd be delighted to hear the howl of a real flying Tempest V but i'd be horrified to see such a fine and rare machine crashing, after a years-long restoration, because of engine failure!
Napier Sabre was a formidable but very fragile engine in 44-45, when new, I can't imagine of using a restored seventy years-old unit ...

I'm afraid the only possibility to see again a flying Tempest V could be a replica, built with modern metallurgic technologies (especially for the engine).
Anyone knows a Tempest's fan billionaire? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DKoor
11-14-2010, 02:58 AM
To be honest, I don't know why any of the old vintages ever fly again, they are part of the history too valuable (and probably too fragile since of their age) to lose.
It would be a real tragedy to lose one in some stupid accident especially if there aren't much of those left.
I get creeps when I think of the P-51 and Messer crash videos I watched...

Why roaring the engine on ground isn't enough? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

danjama
11-14-2010, 05:52 AM
I'd love to see one of these babys fly again too.

There are a few Napier engines on display in London, at IWM, Raf Museum and The Science Museum.

The science museum has one of the best engine aero-engine collections i've ever seen. I have a few pics too, if anyone is interested i'll upload.

WTE_Galway
11-14-2010, 03:00 PM
here is a sectioned Napier in New Zealand at the Wearable Art Museum of all places ...

http://rnzaf.proboards.com/ind...=display&thread=8310 (http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Airshows&action=display&thread=8310)

VW-IceFire
11-14-2010, 10:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
I'd love to see Typhoon in IL-2... an aircraft to my taste... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is in IL-2 if you look in the right places. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's a kind of frankenplane the last I saw it. I'd love to see a properly done with full cockpit Typhoon. I still hold out some small hopes...

VW-IceFire
11-14-2010, 10:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Hi Guys, do any of you know of any restoration projects going on for these aircraft? I have never seen a real one fly at an air display in my lifetime.

Would love to see one of these planes in the air again.

Anyone have any info? (I'm sure Icefire knows the answer to this one) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think the closest we're ever going to get is a Sea Fury. I've seen one on the ground at Canadian Warplane Heritage and it flew in apparently so it's fully flyable if they want to. I've heard people say several times over the last few years that there was a Tempest being restored to flying condition but they seem to have always been mistaking a Tempest for a Sea Fury. Similar aircraft (VERY similar to the Tempest Mark II) but not quite the same thing.

The reason that I've been told that there are still Sea Fury's out there is because the engine can be easily enough replaced with something that still has parts available (some sort of P&W radial) AND because so many of them saw the racing circuit over the years.

WTE_Galway
11-14-2010, 11:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Hi Guys, do any of you know of any restoration projects going on for these aircraft? I have never seen a real one fly at an air display in my lifetime.

Would love to see one of these planes in the air again.

Anyone have any info? (I'm sure Icefire knows the answer to this one) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think the closest we're ever going to get is a Sea Fury. I've seen one on the ground at Canadian Warplane Heritage and it flew in apparently so it's fully flyable if they want to. I've heard people say several times over the last few years that there was a Tempest being restored to flying condition but they seem to have always been mistaking a Tempest for a Sea Fury. Similar aircraft (VERY similar to the Tempest Mark II) but not quite the same thing.

The reason that I've been told that there are still Sea Fury's out there is because the engine can be easily enough replaced with something that still has parts available (some sort of P&W radial) AND because so many of them saw the racing circuit over the years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a flyable Sea Fury just up the road from me at the Toowoomba airport in the Zuccoli collection. Last time I was up that way they also had a Fiat G59B, a Stearman and a CAC Boomerang.

Monty_Thrud
11-15-2010, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's a kind of frankenplane the last I saw it. I'd love to see a properly done with full cockpit Typhoon. I still hold out some small hopes...

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here, i'm sure someone was on with a proper Typhoon model for IL2.

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//TyphoonColour01.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//Napier20Sabre20VII2031.jpg

nsteense
11-16-2010, 04:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

I think the closest we're ever going to get is a Sea Fury. I've seen one on the ground at Canadian Warplane Heritage and it flew in apparently so it's fully flyable if they want to. I've heard people say several times over the last few years that there was a Tempest being restored to flying condition but they seem to have always been mistaking a Tempest for a Sea Fury. Similar aircraft (VERY similar to the Tempest Mark II) but not quite the same thing.

The reason that I've been told that there are still Sea Fury's out there is because the engine can be easily enough replaced with something that still has parts available (some sort of P&W radial) AND because so many of them saw the racing circuit over the years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget that the Fighter Collection has a Sea Fury in its collection (very much flyable) with a Bristol engine, hence the 5 bladed prop. The P&W powered Sea Fury have a 4 bladed prop.
TFC's Sea Fury (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VkBM1md25XM/TLmDCVYm1VI/AAAAAAAAATY/1x2a26LINxs/s1600/_dsc1980.jpg)

crucislancer
11-16-2010, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nsteense:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

I think the closest we're ever going to get is a Sea Fury. I've seen one on the ground at Canadian Warplane Heritage and it flew in apparently so it's fully flyable if they want to. I've heard people say several times over the last few years that there was a Tempest being restored to flying condition but they seem to have always been mistaking a Tempest for a Sea Fury. Similar aircraft (VERY similar to the Tempest Mark II) but not quite the same thing.

The reason that I've been told that there are still Sea Fury's out there is because the engine can be easily enough replaced with something that still has parts available (some sort of P&W radial) AND because so many of them saw the racing circuit over the years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget that the Fighter Collection has a Sea Fury in its collection (very much flyable) with a Bristol engine, hence the 5 bladed prop. The P&W powered Sea Fury have a 4 bladed prop.
TFC's Sea Fury (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VkBM1md25XM/TLmDCVYm1VI/AAAAAAAAATY/1x2a26LINxs/s1600/_dsc1980.jpg) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's a Sea Fury that I saw at a local air show in 2009:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/crucislancer/SDC12039.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/crucislancer/SDC12057.jpg

I believe this one was on the racing circuit for a while. It was a joy to see this plane fly.

Xiolablu3
11-16-2010, 12:01 PM
I can see it would be very dangerous to run a 70 year old Sabre in a restored Typhoon.

They were unreliable engines at the time they were built and only a few hours old. now, it would be asking for trouble

WTE_Galway
11-16-2010, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I can see it would be very dangerous to run a 70 year old Sabre in a restored Typhoon.

They were unreliable engines at the time they were built and only a few hours old. now, it would be asking for trouble </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By time of the 3055 HP Sabre VII those problems were getting sorted. The later Sabre engines produced more power as well. Versions of the Sabre intended for the land based Fury delivered 5,500 hp at 45 lb/sq in boost in tests and it was claimed production Sabres could be built that would produce 4500 HP military power reliably.

Of course by that time there was no demand for that sort of engine because jets were taking over.

briyeo
11-16-2010, 04:42 PM
Quite a few flying Sea Furys around the world
Royal Navy historic flight has an airworthy Fury

http://www.royalnavyhistoricflight.org.uk/images/fury.jpg

There is a T10 at Duxford

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/5126252518_b5b2542465_z.jpg

French registered FB10

http://www.flyart.biz/aviation/airshow/flying-legends-2009/25.jpg

WTE_Galway
11-16-2010, 11:56 PM
The Sea Fury was the ultimate successor of the Typhoon/Tempest line.

It fought in Korea downing at least one Mig 15.

It was used in operational combat as late as 1961 when Cuban Sea Furies fought successfully in the Bay of Pig's incident.


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VW-IceFire
11-17-2010, 04:42 PM
Speaking of Korea... I HOPE we get to see at least one of the Sea Fury models show up in that expansion of the Storm of War/IL-2 Cliffs of Dover game engine. Hopefully that expansion/game shows off several parts of that conflict. Lots of close air support and strike missions flown by the Sea Fury.

major_setback
11-23-2010, 06:01 PM
I'm perfectly happy to see reproductions flying.

Keep the originals for the next generations.

major_setback
11-23-2010, 06:08 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/2526700327_74f19171ff_otyphoon.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/typhoon.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/img_typhoon_colourMay1942Warmwell257squadron.jpg

How many men can you fit on a Typhoon?

http://www.vintagewings.ca/rsrc/vwc/img/Stories/RandomBeauty/Random39.jpg

http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpapers/1942/typhoon1024.jpg

http://www.amnesta.net/other/Davidge_1_lg.jpg



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Tempest40
08-24-2015, 08:12 PM
There are indeed both a typhoon 1b (the only surviving combat veteran) and a tempest v under various stages of restoration. The tiffy is in Canada having been sourced from various sources around the world. At present this is not yet on display but you can follow it's progress on Facebook. Search typhoon restoration. The tempest is set to be restored to flying condition which understandably takes longer. This aircraft is essentially a hybrid of two recovered airframes, a v and a ii. And it is the Sabre engined v that is going to be built. This is underway in the Uk