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1.JaVA_Razer
12-26-2004, 02:50 PM
Well I was watching my Xmas present today which was "Band of Brothers" and on DVD3 there is the episode about the battle of the bulge and at the end I realised today it's 60 years ago since Paton libberated 101st airborne division.
So Salute to the men and women involved and to all who helped liberate the division!

S~~

LStarosta
12-26-2004, 03:49 PM
And if you watch further, you'd know that any of those 101 boys would slap you silly for implying that they needed "liberation". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

SkyChimp
12-26-2004, 05:22 PM
They weren't liberated, they were relieved. Liberated implies they were captured. They weren't - far from it.

Bearcat99
12-26-2004, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
And if you watch further, you'd know that any of those 101 boys would slap you silly for implying that they needed "liberation". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL... yeah..... BoB (Band of Brothers) was one of the best war movies ever made IMO.

PlaneEater
12-26-2004, 05:44 PM
"How do I feel about being rescued by Patton? Well I'd feel pretty peachy, except for one thing, we didn't f kin' need to be rescued by Patton. Got that?"

--Joe Toye

HayateAce
12-26-2004, 07:56 PM
Patton was a day late, being showed up by the USAAF, having resumed ground attack and resupply sorties.

The 101st boys did just fine. As a final thought, the common and mistaken belief is that the 101st was "trapped" at Bastogne due to the German offensive. Not true. The 101st was quickly supplied and purposefully trucked into Bastogne since the US Army had been caught with its pants down.

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Akronnick
12-26-2004, 09:00 PM
They were paratroopers, they're supposed to be surrounded

NUTS!

Chuck_Older
12-27-2004, 04:58 AM
The 101st was used to plug up the line. They were hardly well equipped to do it.

They didn't even have ammo doled out to them until the noncoms and officiers in the 101st went and got the ammo themselves. many of the 101sts troopers got ammo from retreating US soldiers- that's how little ammo they had

They didn't even have proper winter clothing.

While it is true that they were trucked to Bastogne (or rather the vicinity), they were not resupplied easily. The Germans, on the other hand, had a huge and easy re-supply route

Steven Ambrose's book Band of Brothers goes into this aspect a little more than the cable series did. If it seems as if the 101st (and also the 82nd) could just come and go as they pleased, with supplies when they needed them, it might be an interesting read for you to hear what eyewitnesses accounts have to say about the situation.

Chuck_Older
12-27-2004, 04:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlaneEater:
"How do I feel about being rescued by Patton? Well I'd feel pretty peachy, except for one thing, we didn't f kin' need to be rescued by Patton. Got that?"

--Joe Toye <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trouble is, nobody knows who Toye is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

horseback
12-27-2004, 11:40 AM
"Seven Roads to Hell", by Donald Burgette, is a good first person account from a private who served throughout the 101st's WWII career. I recommend it to anyone interested in a confirmation of Ambrose's work.

cheers

horseback

BlitzPig_Frat
12-27-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlaneEater:
"How do I feel about being rescued by Patton? Well I'd feel pretty peachy, except for one thing, we didn't f kin' need to be rescued by Patton. Got that?"

--Joe Toye <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trouble is, nobody knows who Toye is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sgt. Joe Toye, E Co 506th PIR - He was the guy who lost his leg in the artillery barrage in the Band of Brothers episode "Breaking Point". Then SSG Bill Guarnere lost his leg in same barrage trying to drag Toye to safety. So if anybody is worthy of quoting IRT Bastogne, he is...

Chuck_Older
12-27-2004, 03:19 PM
You've got a-hold of the wrong end of the stick

I am not saying that Toye's comments have no weight. I have read the book and seen the series, by the way.

I am saying that no matter the accuracy of Sgt Toye's observation, not too many folks know who he is. Not that his comments have no merit. Not as in "who the h3ll is HE?"

HayateAce
12-28-2004, 02:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


While it is true that they were trucked to Bastogne (or rather the vicinity), they were not resupplied easily. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reread and see that I said "quickly supplied." I had a more verbose version but the news editor inside told me to shorten it.

Quickly supplied, meaning with haste and not very thoroughly.

eddie_slovik
12-28-2004, 04:13 AM
if you look at the map of the area and in particular the road net you will see that the 101st were the principle reason the german ofensive failed. not that it had much of a chance anyway.
the egos involved tickle me. if you read up on the involvement of monty and patton you would be forgiven for thinking that they won it on their own.
the 101st proved beyond any shadow of doubt that they were probably the most capable US division in the theatre.

Chuck_Older
12-28-2004, 09:28 AM
How many folks know who Private Eddie Slovik was, I wonder?