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Taylortony
05-13-2004, 06:29 PM
Seriously, you all post tons and tons of wanna's for a better word, but the game will have been mapped out ages ago and a lot of what is posted here is pure fantasy, the fact the site is up works as a PR marketing ploy, A one that is now up against some stiff opposition like the Midway one using later graphics engines.

I would be seriously suprised if any or very little of what you request ever sees the light of day....... The really annoying thing is they request info, but do not when asked to specify models etc have the courtesy to reply, I for one have given up on these fantasy dreams and will now weigh it up on what appears against the competition, of which there seems some stunning stuff over the horizon,


I would however add in my opinion the way they have modelled / painted the crank in the change from anhedral to dihedral on the gull wing pictures of the Corsair as looking out of the cockpit looks dire, purely a personal opinion and i realise it has to cater for all specs of PC but....CFS1 handled such stuff better, but i realise this is pre release so please improve it.....

As to the we need more XYZ of this or that, I no longer bother, as a simple thank you that helps etc never appears, pity really, I have thousands of original manufactures drawings on cd for various aircraft that I have provided to people elsewhere.... their loss for a simple reply

k now you can add the purile dross below http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Taylortony
05-13-2004, 06:29 PM
Seriously, you all post tons and tons of wanna's for a better word, but the game will have been mapped out ages ago and a lot of what is posted here is pure fantasy, the fact the site is up works as a PR marketing ploy, A one that is now up against some stiff opposition like the Midway one using later graphics engines.

I would be seriously suprised if any or very little of what you request ever sees the light of day....... The really annoying thing is they request info, but do not when asked to specify models etc have the courtesy to reply, I for one have given up on these fantasy dreams and will now weigh it up on what appears against the competition, of which there seems some stunning stuff over the horizon,


I would however add in my opinion the way they have modelled / painted the crank in the change from anhedral to dihedral on the gull wing pictures of the Corsair as looking out of the cockpit looks dire, purely a personal opinion and i realise it has to cater for all specs of PC but....CFS1 handled such stuff better, but i realise this is pre release so please improve it.....

As to the we need more XYZ of this or that, I no longer bother, as a simple thank you that helps etc never appears, pity really, I have thousands of original manufactures drawings on cd for various aircraft that I have provided to people elsewhere.... their loss for a simple reply

k now you can add the purile dross below http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

heywooood
05-13-2004, 06:52 PM
this looks bitter - TT

I appreciate the skins and research you have put forth at Il2skins so I take this post at face value.

I imagine this thread will be locked because, frankly - it is purile.

Maybe someone should have contacted you to reply to some offering that was made, but there are other lines of communication.

Too bad the connection was missed I guess.

Based on what I've seen - you should have alot to offer and a simple thanks but no thanks is better than nothing.

I hope you will continue to make skins for this sim.. hate to lose out on those.

olaleier
05-13-2004, 06:58 PM
- Yes, it's an evil marketing ploy to let people know the game is upcoming. Must be commies.

- They don't tell what planes will be in cause the game isn't finished yet.

With almost 4000 posts you're still in the woods about stuff like this?

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heywooood
05-13-2004, 07:02 PM
I dont know olaleier.. I think TT is referring to some documents and reference materials he may have offered or even just given over to the devs.. and not gotten any love. dunno.

Taylortony
05-13-2004, 07:04 PM
No it is not bitter or malicious, i would suggest you read the post about miss me need more references and the post

"Luthier

When you say early B17, how early do you mean, as I have excellent 1/72 scale plans for B, C, D, E(early & late production), F & G models.

Spud"

common courtesy would have dictated an answer to clarify this and that is not a one off....sigh.....

It does not effect my skins or skinning, thank you for those kind word BTW, it is just the total lack of feed back. But as to buying it and doing skins for it well that is a different matter due to some other sims on the Horizon, so it is extremely unlikely at this moment in time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

if it gets locked well..... I just hope Spud gets his answer and a bit more 2 way Retoric prevails.

[This message was edited by Taylortony on Thu May 13 2004 at 06:27 PM.]

VW-IceFire
05-13-2004, 07:38 PM
Let me say first that I know where this is coming from. I feel the same way often times as well. People ask for things that have already been planed out before the project ever went public. And that goes for 99% of games that I've ever followed the development of.

However, there are some worthwhile suggestions here and back in the ORR from time to time (and elsewhere) that makes it into the game with a nice improvement for all. Luthier in particular is very responsive in this forum (with a wicked sense of humor) and he's certainly asked for suggestions and help on certain tricky issues before.

Not all is set in stone.

I'll be hoping for instance for a flyable Helldiver sometime. If Luthier knows that I and others feel this is an important plane to fly at some point, then I'm sure they will be able to accomodate that if support for PF continues past its initial release like FB and IL2 did.

So yes you are right and have some very valid points but I also believe that many comments are worthwhile and by making them we communicate collectively on many issues.

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hobnail
05-13-2004, 09:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>k now you can add the purile dross below http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You seemed to have provided that without recourse to others' efforts.

Maybe if in the credits of PF they add "This game was intentionally designed not to live up to TaylorTony's expectations and no correspondence will be entered into". That'd do it.

LEXX_Luthor
05-13-2004, 09:50 PM
TT Stop Whining and make more skins http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Spudkopf
05-13-2004, 09:50 PM
Since my name was mentioned.....

I would have to say that there was no response at all to my offer, not even a clarification of the types that were required, so I did not bother to do anything in regards to providing them (so it's their lose), as others know I am happy to spend my limited time and resorces to try and help with projects when asked.

Thanks Taylortony for echoing the sentiments that I felt in regards to the lack of reponse and common courtesy, that I did not bother to post myself.

Spud

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necrobaron
05-13-2004, 10:23 PM
Well, I'm a bit suprised Luthier didn't take you up on your offer(s) but I can understand the sentiment expressed in this thread. I have great respect for TT and I know he wouldn't post his disgust if it wasn't warranted. I don't know quite what you mean regarding the Corsair's wing crank,but I would consider the fact that PF is very much a WIP. I also could not even begin to imagine the sheer amount of work and correspondence with people Luthier has to deal with to put a project such as this together. Could it be as simple as some of the people offering help were simply overlooked? Lost among the flood perhaps?

"Not all who wander are lost."

stansdds
05-14-2004, 04:35 AM
I don't think we post in vain. Sure, not all of our suggestions will see any light, but some will. If it was not for the input from us end users, we would probably just be playing arcade style sims.

LW_lcarp
05-14-2004, 05:15 AM
Well i look back on my days in the Army for an answer to situations like this Never Volenteer For Anything.

You want my cooperation then you need to send me a check for my work.

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LEXX_Luthor
05-14-2004, 06:22 AM
Call it a Xen thing, but the true "volunteer" expects neither pay nor recognition for his/her work. They volunteer to make a better world...or sim.

I would love to make HUGE maps for Luthier~1 of my favorite places for everybody to use (China lol) and if I never get paid or mentioned then Good cos I still can use the maps I made along with everybody else. If I can see and use what I make then that's pay enough. For me to make maps of places I am not interested in then they PAY of course. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That's what we need. Volunteer map makers who are interested in making maps of their favorite places they would love to sim. You could cover the whole world like that.

necrobaron
05-15-2004, 11:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Call it a _Xen_ thing, but the _true_ "volunteer" expects neither pay nor recognition for his/her work. They volunteer to make a better world...or sim.

I would love to make HUGE maps for Luthier~1 of my favorite places for everybody to use (China lol) and if I never get paid or mentioned then Good cos I still can use the maps I made along with everybody else. If I can see and use what I make then that's pay enough. For me to make maps of places I am not interested in then they PAY of course. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That's what we need. Volunteer map makers who are interested in making maps of their favorite places they would love to sim. You could cover the whole world like that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point,Lexx. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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DONB3397
05-17-2004, 08:17 AM
It seems to me there are two things here:

1) The important (and generous) contributions of a handful of talented individuals who do their research and offer their time to add value to this special sim. TT is one.

2) The unusual interaction between the developers and their user/buyers.

The developers do, in fact, seem to incorporate certain persistant ideas... eventually. And we know that they contract some of the major contributors from time to time. But the pipeline is long, and the deadlines are hard to hit in the software business. Once the baseline decisions are made, it's probably tough to make changes late in the process.

But, having engaged the users the way they have, they need to add a couple of staffers to make sure the key players get feedback to their ideas and offers. People like TonyT (there are too many to list individually) frankly add as much value to this sim as the paid developers.

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rummyrum
05-17-2004, 08:51 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Gimma break....would'nt be that there is alot going on eh?!

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203Ku_Takasaki
05-17-2004, 11:23 AM
I saw a reference to that Midway sim in the works. From what I can tell, that is going to be like another Battlefield 1942. I would be shocked if flying planes in that game is anything better than basic arcade style. I love flight sims however I refuse to fly when playing BF42 because it is so absurdly arcade.

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VFA-195 Snacky
05-18-2004, 02:26 AM
LOL, he just wants a hug. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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05-18-2004, 04:04 AM
Well, I think the only Sims I can see on the Horizon that could be taken seriously as new Generation, are all being developed by 1C !
Battle of Britain
Battle Field Commander (Europe at War) are 2 examples.

From what snippets I have seen they look so far ahead there is no competition!

I have yet to see anybody successfully compare with 1C actualy over the last 3 years, and the next 3 years is looking about the same.

TT if you have even a snippet, or just a little taste of a future Sim that would even come close to competing with 1C by all means give us a link, to take a look at.

S!

luthier1
05-18-2004, 08:29 AM
What can I say? During the course of the project I've met all sorts of reactions from people, ranging from panic when they don't hear from me within a couple of hours of sending an important email, to people who continue to do their thing and push the project forward even if they don't receive any replies from me for weeks. Unfortunately all of those people are in the same boat in regards to getting responses from me, that is probably very few people ever get replies as fast as I'd like them to.

I certainly do apologize for that, but I hope at least some of the people understand that this is not because of sloppiness or lazyness on my part, but just because I'm absolutely overwhelmed. I get so many PF-related emails every day that I sometimes wouldn't be able to reply to them all even if I wasn't doing anything other than email all day long. That's how things are, and it's not going to get any better, it's only going to get any worse as we get closer to release.

So, common courtesy is a great thing of course, but I'm simply in no position to extend it to everyone. Again, I do apologise, but that's the way things are. There's simply not enough time in the day for me to respond to every thread and reply to every email.


And regarding us not listening to suggestions, are you serious? Nothing's been locked down, there are features and changes being very actively discussed this very moment, and we'll continue to change things all the way into the release and beyond. And of course a lot of these ideas come directly from the forums. As a wise man once said, be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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clint-ruin
05-18-2004, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
And regarding us not listening to suggestions, are you serious? Nothing's been locked down, there are features and changes being very actively discussed this very moment, and we'll continue to change things all the way into the release and beyond. And of course a lot of these ideas come directly from the forums. As a wise man once said, be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the response Luthier :&gt;

I am sure that the same thing as ORR applies - if the ideas make sense and they can be done reasonably in terms of workload/effort then there's a shot at getting it in. Many times "impossible" features as declared by Oleg turned up in the game after some people over at MG worked hard on getting them into the game.

Thanks for listening to the pre-release whining at all, in any case :&gt;

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PlaneEater
05-18-2004, 12:50 PM
Hey, Luthier, have you considered bringing on a dedicated assistant to help you handle that kind of volume?

I know in the two other projects I've worked on (relatively minor stuff), the producer had an assistant producer who was in charge of fielding lower-priority emails and communication, to help lighten to load.

luthier1
05-18-2004, 01:05 PM
PE,

I am in dire need of an assistant of course, I just don't trust anyone to field these kind of questions for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif In any case all the decisions are only made at the highest level in this project so it would be a huge chore for me to keep this person updated to all project nuances, while at the same his contribution would be pretty limited since all suggestions would be answered with "Let me ask Luthier/Oleg if this can be done"

So, yeah, I'm occasionally a bottleneck in some things and forum posts and emails occasionally fall through the cracks, but there's just no realistic way to offload any of this stuff onto anybody else. It would require too much training, and this person sitting next to me throughout the project constantly being made aware of all aspects of development. Just not feasible http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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05-18-2004, 02:31 PM
It was mentioned some time ago in this forum, that the developers would rather have Luthier working on the Simulation, instead of constantly having to answer questions all of the time in this Forum.

Thankyou for any time you get to respond Luthier.

S!

LEXX_Luthor
05-18-2004, 05:51 PM
L~1:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm absolutely overwhelmed. I get so many PF-related emails every day<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>mmm, Emils delay FP. I bet half the Emils have the all the same content or requests. The future FP simmers should post "help" on pubic webboard, unless from people working closely with dev.

You know, 4000 posts and all I ever got from OLEG was single one (1) word "thanks." -- I made Recovery Room thread thankful for new TB~3 tail gunner and new M~34 engines and all the other USA ubi were Kicking and Screaming cos Ta~152H was not pumping out Bonus Brownie Points in sea level dogfight servers lol (this was before European releace of AEP).

Any chance of TB~3 to go with southern China map?

...or....Map of Southern China http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif a BIG place

heywooood
05-18-2004, 06:00 PM
^ The lil' red hobbit kills me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
05-18-2004, 06:18 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Hey YOUGH, tired of "red?" Enjoy some "blue" liquid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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heywooood
05-18-2004, 06:28 PM
pouffy red plushtoy aka 'cloudboy' - http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

aquamarine - topaz - cobalt - azure - turquoise - navy BLUE WATER... ahhhhh. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

LEXX_Luthor
05-18-2004, 06:32 PM
Just wait for New, Bigger, HARDER clouds with cloud collision modding *BAM* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

heywooood
05-18-2004, 07:17 PM
Thunder? we already have it.

hmmm, cloud warriors... with mighty swords and impenetrable shields.. puny humans in their insignificant kites dashing themselves to pieces on their opaque but colossal ramparts.... or other..umm parts..

Cloud cod-pieces will have to be modded also http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif