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EFG_beber
08-08-2007, 05:02 AM
This photos were take at la Ferté-Alais in France.

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0616.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0644.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0683.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0773.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0934.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0967.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1113.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1152.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1161.jpg

EFG_beber
08-08-2007, 05:02 AM
This photos were take at la Ferté-Alais in France.

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0616.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0644.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0683.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0773.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0934.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_0967.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1113.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1152.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1161.jpg

DuxCorvan
08-08-2007, 05:11 AM
Original? You mean replicas.

There are very few original WW1 birds surviving. Most if not all of the German stuff was destroyed, including a lot of D.VIIs, which were being mass produced at the end of the war.

And none of the surviving original WW1 planes is airworthy, IMHO.

Anyway, they would have never been allowed to fly in a public modern show with their unreliable weak engines, their flammable surfaces and their weaky structures. Too dangerous to have the approval of the authorities to even try.

Those modern replicas are mostly made with new materials, and while they respect the external appearance of the original aircraft, they have strong structures and modern, light and reliable engines. Some aren't even of the same size, but downscaled replicas. I'm glad to see they've used rotary engines were appropiate, tho. Older replicas used normal non-rotary star engines.

Beautiful to see, and a joy, but no originals.

VonKlugermon
08-08-2007, 06:24 AM
Beautiful pics, perhaps restored originals/or really accurate replicas? Go to Rhinebeck Aerodrome - there are originals flying there.

Willy

Sturm_Williger
08-08-2007, 06:48 AM
Beautiful !

Superb pics thanks for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Are there any Albatros replicas around ? No plane has ever looked better... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

EFG_beber
08-08-2007, 07:36 AM
http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1210.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1251.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1268_2.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1406.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/aircraft_gallery/galleries/2007/Ferte-Alais/IMG_1447.jpg

They are restored original and accurate replica. They have original part and the motors are originals.

This photos prove it.
http://h.ds.free.fr/photos/2007/cockpits/IMG_0594-copy.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/photos/2007/cockpits/IMG_1484-copy.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/photos/2007/cockpits/IMG_1494-copy.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/photos/2007/cockpits/IMG_1504-copy.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/photos/2007/cockpits/IMG_1509.jpg

http://h.ds.free.fr/photos/2007/cockpits/IMG_1519-copy.jpg

And here are photos from the association who restore them.
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/indexuk.html

http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/Se5/106.jpg
http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/Se5/22.jpg
http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/spadXIII/spadres7.jpg
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/fokkerd7/225.jpg
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/fokkerd7/216.jpg
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/fokkerd7/209.jpg
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/fokkerd7/177.jpg
http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/fokker/fokres23.jpg
http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/moraneai/mores17.jpg
http://storage.mfa.free.fr/gallery/bleriotXI/blere27.jpg

Capt.LoneRanger
08-08-2007, 07:37 AM
Nice pics! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Anybody else looking forward to KotS? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sturm_Williger
08-08-2007, 07:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Anybody else looking forward to KotS? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely dribbling mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Ernst_Rohr
08-08-2007, 08:52 AM
Gorgeous pics!

DKoor
08-08-2007, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Anyway, they would have never been allowed to fly in a public modern show with their unreliable weak engines, their flammable surfaces and their weaky structures. Too dangerous to have the approval of the authorities to even try. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Why?

That smells like a l0t of fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

p-11.cAce
08-08-2007, 09:01 AM
OMG! Can't wait for KOTS http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
Gorgeous pics as always mate!

Troll2k
08-08-2007, 03:20 PM
I see the mandatory mallet in the cockpit for persuading stubborn parts.

Daiichidoku
08-08-2007, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Anybody else looking forward to KotS? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely dribbling mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wont be able to pry me from the spad! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Stew278
08-08-2007, 04:57 PM
Excellent Photos http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Enforcer572005
08-08-2007, 05:35 PM
I photographed an original Thomas Morse Scout that was a bit late for the war but built in 1928-1919. Fully restored with the original engine and even the air cooled Marlin MG. Unfortunately I have those slides stored and don't have time to dig them up and scan them.........yet. It flew quite well at a WW1 museum airshow at Guntersville Ala in 91 and 92 at Gadsen.

Here are a few small scans i took yrs ago, so they are quite small and some even had mold on them (didn't know photoshop back when I scannedt them yrs ago. I don't have too many. first one is the requested Albatross, full size, built to the original plans with monoqoc fuselage (yeah, i know I mispelled that). THis plane also had a similiar but slightly more modern engine (early 20s vintage) and was featured yrs ago in an episode of "Young Indiana Jones" as Von Richtofen's plane, with the attached tail wheel smudged out. I dunno where it is now...the owner of the museum was killed in a modern plane crash some yrs ago.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/Enforcer572005/Scan536.jpg

D-7 replica, very nice, but the lighting kept me from getting many good shots in 92.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/Enforcer572005/Scan435.jpg

Here's a Dr1 with a small radial engine and an Se-5, both full size. Most Se-5 replicas are reduced scale, but not this one.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/Enforcer572005/Scan344.jpg

This place was alot like Rhineback, complete with tons of paintings and displays, about 30 magnificent planes, and even some original Dietz prints. I gotta dig those out and have a bunch ready when the new sim comes out.

And here's an extra just as a reward for reading this post.......it's the chick in my sig below....at Pensecola many yrs ago. I didn't think anyone would mind me posting it.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/Enforcer572005/Scan749.jpg

Sturm_Williger
08-08-2007, 06:09 PM
Thanks Enforcer572005.

That Albatros is sexier than the "chick" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Blutarski2004
08-08-2007, 06:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Original? You mean replicas.

There are very few original WW1 birds surviving. Most if not all of the German stuff was destroyed, including a lot of D.VIIs, which were being mass produced at the end of the war.

And none of the surviving original WW1 planes is airworthy, IMHO.

Anyway, they would have never been allowed to fly in a public modern show with their unreliable weak engines, their flammable surfaces and their weaky structures. Too dangerous to have the approval of the authorities to even try.

Those modern replicas are mostly made with new materials, and while they respect the external appearance of the original aircraft, they have strong structures and modern, light and reliable engines. Some aren't even of the same size, but downscaled replicas. I'm glad to see they've used rotary engines were appropiate, tho. Older replicas used normal non-rotary star engines.

Beautiful to see, and a joy, but no originals. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... If you're eve in NYC, make an effort to get up to Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome (Rhinebeck NY). This is the operation owned and run for many years by Cole Palen. They fly WW1 aircraft every Saturday during the flying season (and have done so for decades).

Go here - http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/collection_airplane.htm

ORA has flown both original and reproduction airframes. The repros are actually very faithful to original design and materials. The vast majority (as in almost all) fly with original period engines, including gobs of real rotaries which spread a glorious haze of castor oil fumes over the audience.

-HH- Beebop
08-08-2007, 07:56 PM
Thanks for the pics Enforcer. I look forward to the time when you can get those others out and scanned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
...That Albatros is sexier than the "chick" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif That's kind of sad in a way. "As sexy as...." OK, but still...

thanks for the "extra" Enforcer. I certainly don't mind.

M_Gunz
08-08-2007, 08:02 PM
GREAT PICS!

GreyFox5
08-08-2007, 11:29 PM
Thanks for the links and pics! Man there are hundreds of hours in those planes. Amazing!

EFG_beber
08-09-2007, 02:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Enforcer572005 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nice pics Enforcer572005. Tks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

grifter2u
09-15-2007, 09:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">EFG_beber </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

those are amazing photographs, thx for posting them !

you previously mentioned you use a canon 350D with the sigma 70-300 II lense, but what distance from you would most of those airplanes have been when you shot the pic ?

each shot is crisp and clear, and fully framed, yet it doesnt look like you manipulated the pic's much after taking them (ie further enlarged them or increased sharpness etc).

mauld
09-16-2007, 02:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Original? You mean replicas.

There are very few original WW1 birds surviving. Most if not all of the German stuff was destroyed, including a lot of D.VIIs, which were being mass produced at the end of the war.

And none of the surviving original WW1 planes is airworthy, IMHO.

Anyway, they would have never been allowed to fly in a public modern show with their unreliable weak engines, their flammable surfaces and their weaky structures. Too dangerous to have the approval of the authorities to even try.

Those modern replicas are mostly made with new materials, and while they respect the external appearance of the original aircraft, they have strong structures and modern, light and reliable engines. Some aren't even of the same size, but downscaled replicas. I'm glad to see they've used rotary engines were appropiate, tho. Older replicas used normal non-rotary star engines.

Beautiful to see, and a joy, but no originals. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Shuttleworth Collection Old Warden Bedfordshie England has some Original WW1 aircraft flying and are maintained to original spec i.e. Linen and Dope.
View some here
Bristol M1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZ8p1yfQxE
Sopwith Pup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31A6wS8u8Ig
Sopwith Triplane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvAiz0HIh2Y
Bristol Fighter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLbyDLMis2c

dauntlessdave
09-17-2007, 09:39 AM
Everyone is talking about Knights of the Sky but why wait!?!?!??! Play Over Flanders Fields now! It takes some massaging to get started and all that, but once you're up and running its the best WW1 sim ever. Frankly, I enjoy it more than IL2.

cpirrmann
09-17-2007, 10:57 AM
Dauntless Dave is right. Don't wait for KOTS, you might be waiting a long time. Jump in right now, if you like WWI. Over Flanders Fields is the ultimate justification for using the 'other' flight sim, and totally justifies it. Like Dauntless, I haven't flown IL2 since I got OFF. Got to OverFlandersFields.com, check out the Sim Outhouse forum and see what we're talking about.

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-17-2007, 03:54 PM
Where does one go to play this OFF online?

Bremspropeller
09-17-2007, 04:28 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/Enforcer572005/Scan749.jpg

Is there any frontal-view avaliable?