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Danelov
08-15-2006, 07:16 AM
Two of the top allied sub-killers in WWII were:

The Hesperus(H57)a destroyer of the Havant class of the Royal Navy serving in the Atlantic, had a impressive roster of five U-Boots destroyed from Dec 1941 to May 1943.

1-U-208(VIIC-Oblt. Alfred Schlieper)was Sunk the 7 Dec, 1941 in the Atlantic west of Gibraltar.

2-U-93(VIIC-Kptlt.Claus Korth)was sunk the 15 Jan, 1942 in North Atlantic.

3-U-357(VIIC-Oblt. Adolf Kellner)was sunk the 26 Dec, 1942 in the North Atlantic north-west of Ireland.

4-U-191(IXC40-Kptlt.Helmut Fiehn)was sunk the 23 April, 1943 south-east of Cape Farewell, Greenland.

5-U-186(IXC40-Kptlt.Siegfried Hesemann)was sunk the 12 May, 1943 north of the Azores.

In the Pacific the record come to the England(DE635),a US Navy Bluckey TE class escort destroyer, with six Japanese submarines destroyed all in May 1944(I-16,RO-106,RO-104,RO-116,RO-108 and RO-105).Six enemy subs destroyed in a month , a incredible record!!!

Regards

Danelov
08-15-2006, 07:16 AM
Two of the top allied sub-killers in WWII were:

The Hesperus(H57)a destroyer of the Havant class of the Royal Navy serving in the Atlantic, had a impressive roster of five U-Boots destroyed from Dec 1941 to May 1943.

1-U-208(VIIC-Oblt. Alfred Schlieper)was Sunk the 7 Dec, 1941 in the Atlantic west of Gibraltar.

2-U-93(VIIC-Kptlt.Claus Korth)was sunk the 15 Jan, 1942 in North Atlantic.

3-U-357(VIIC-Oblt. Adolf Kellner)was sunk the 26 Dec, 1942 in the North Atlantic north-west of Ireland.

4-U-191(IXC40-Kptlt.Helmut Fiehn)was sunk the 23 April, 1943 south-east of Cape Farewell, Greenland.

5-U-186(IXC40-Kptlt.Siegfried Hesemann)was sunk the 12 May, 1943 north of the Azores.

In the Pacific the record come to the England(DE635),a US Navy Bluckey TE class escort destroyer, with six Japanese submarines destroyed all in May 1944(I-16,RO-106,RO-104,RO-116,RO-108 and RO-105).Six enemy subs destroyed in a month , a incredible record!!!

Regards

baggygreen
08-15-2006, 07:39 AM
wow, interesting - especially about that pommy ship! what was your source, i feel like some reading is coming on

Blood_Splat
08-15-2006, 08:21 AM
http://www.courierpostonline.com/brainstorm/0804/images/uboat.jpg

Celeon999
08-15-2006, 10:56 AM
Interesting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Danelov
08-15-2006, 12:20 PM
About the sources of information

-"The Destroyer Escort England",Anatomy of the Ship series by Al Ross(Conway Press)
-Submarines of the Imperial Japanese Navy 1904-1945 by Norman Polmar and Dorr B.Carpenter, Conway Press
-Destroyers of WWII by M.J.Whitley,Arms and Armour Press.
-US Destroyers by Friedman,Arms and Armour Press.
-Several different numbers or Magazine Warship by Conway Press.
-J├┬Ąger-Gejagte,Deutsche U-Boote 1939-1945
-The U-Boat offensive 1914-1945 by V.E.Tarrant,Arms and Armour Press
Etc,etc,etc

Specially interesant is "U-Boat Killer" ,write by Capt Donald MacIntyre, personal commander of the Hesperus in the sunk of three of the U-Boats(U-357,U-191 and U-186)and the victor of Kretschmer U-99 with the old destroyer Walker.Already, he had take in charge the binoculars Zeiss of this last, and the were, after the instruments to help to the destruction of others U-Boots when MacIntyre take in carge a Escort Group in his Escort Frigate Captain class "Bickerton".MacIntyre self utilising three destroyers(Walker,Hesperus and Bickerton)to sunk in WWII a total of six U-Boats(U-99,U-357,U-191,U-186,U-765 and U-269).He loss his last ship, the Bickerton hit by one Lut torpedo launched by the U-354( Kptlt.Karl-Heinz Herbschleb)near the Norway coast in Aug 1944.

The Zeiss binoculars were retourned after WWII by MacIntyre to his original propietary, when Krestchmer come to England for the edition of the book "The Golden Horseshoe",by Terence Robertson(The wartime experiences of U-99 and his captivity in England and Canada).Of course Kretschmer was very conmoved to find this part of his old U-99.

Regards

Sgt_Hatcher
08-15-2006, 05:55 PM
My vote is for British Captain Johnny Walker. He was the man that took anti-submarine warfare from the defensive to the offensive. He invented and then commanded HK groups and is credited with about 20 kills for his group(s). Check the following links for more info. The first link is a detailed (six pages) description of his career exploits. The second is a summary...

http://www.historynet.com/air_sea/naval_battles/3036916.html?page=1&c=y

http://uboat.net/allies/personnel/walker.htm

Realjambo
08-15-2006, 06:29 PM
U-Boat Killer by Capt Donald MacIntyre is, I would suggest, a must read by any SH3 enthusiast. A great read, very well told and some good pics. It really helps you to undertand 'the other side' of the convoy war.

Find it here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0304352357/202-32352...9&s=gateway&v=glance (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0304352357/202-3235225-3145401?v=glance&n=266239&s=gateway&v=glance)

Danelov
08-16-2006, 12:35 AM
I agree with Sgt_Hatcher, Captain Walker was a fine stratege,lead group, the creator of the famous glide attack and the lead in the U-Boot contraofensive .A U-Boot near of the Hunter Killer of Walker can count the minutes to expended before his destruction.Already, after Walker death,was Hesperus the destroyer assigned to his burrial at sea.

Goose_Green
08-16-2006, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
U-Boat Killer by Capt Donald MacIntyre is, I would suggest, a must read by any SH3 enthusiast. A great read, very well told and some good pics. It really helps you to undertand 'the other side' of the convoy war.

Find it here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0304352357/202-32352...9&s=gateway&v=glance (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0304352357/202-3235225-3145401?v=glance&n=266239&s=gateway&v=glance) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ordered - It's about time I started reading the other persepctive. My father is getting slightly worried about me, I managed to get a 1st english edition of Mein Kampf last week, I think he is starting to have concerns about my loyalties and beliefs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Realjambo
08-16-2006, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> My father is getting slightly worried about me, I managed to get a 1st english edition of Mein Kampf last week, I think he is starting to have concerns about my loyalties and beliefs Wink </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm still waiting for "Saddam - Why Kuwait Needed Invading" Goose (remember from a previous book thread?) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VikingGrandad
08-17-2006, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
U-Boat Killer by Capt Donald MacIntyre is, I would suggest, a must read by any SH3 enthusiast. A great read, very well told and some good pics. It really helps you to undertand 'the other side' of the convoy war.

Find it here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0304352357/202-32352...9&s=gateway&v=glance (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0304352357/202-3235225-3145401?v=glance&n=266239&s=gateway&v=glance) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the tip RJ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It's on my Amazon wish list (in which I now have 83 WW2/WW1 books waiting to be ordered!)

Up to now I've only read U-boat and RAF bomber crew books, but I've been making the effort to diversify and buy some books from other theatres of WW2. Once I've finished reading Jack Currie's 'Lancaster Target' (the story of a Lanc pilot), I've already got 'The Next Moon: The Remarkable True Story of a British Agent Behind the Lines in Wartime France' and Stephen E. Ambrose's 'Pegasus Bridge' to choose from. Oh, and Werner's 'Iron Coffins'...

hueywolf123
08-17-2006, 04:55 PM
I can't remember his name, but there was a DE commander (UK), who used to ram surrendered boats and would order others in his group not to rescue the crews. Sorry to post this, but there should be a balance http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Danelov
08-17-2006, 05:59 PM
Well,the ramming was a "natural" move for all destroyers or escort ship commanders in WWII(and also in WWI).But after a order was issue to not recommended this maneuver. The destroyer HMS Harvester had rammed and sank U-444 but too fast he had damaged his propellers. The ship stop to repair and became a sitting duck for U-432 wich torpeded her.
Ramming mean the destruction of the U-Boot but also damaged in the attacking ship,usually with Asdic or Sonar destroyed, bow deformed, flooding in anchor compartiment and fuel bunkers and many times, months after in the repair yard.Surrender boats ,that surprise me but is possible,that was a terrible war.