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Zneg1
01-26-2005, 10:44 AM
Ok I have been trying and practicing to bring down 4 'ACE' Pe-8 formation...first with the P-51...then Ki-84...Then BF109 G-2 (with MK108)..no dice...All i could do is damage one plane and not bring them all down...almost every plane I tried I get shotdown or heavily compromised...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Nope I've not tried the Me282 or the Go plane...not my style...

Zneg1
01-26-2005, 10:44 AM
Ok I have been trying and practicing to bring down 4 'ACE' Pe-8 formation...first with the P-51...then Ki-84...Then BF109 G-2 (with MK108)..no dice...All i could do is damage one plane and not bring them all down...almost every plane I tried I get shotdown or heavily compromised...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Nope I've not tried the Me282 or the Go plane...not my style...

Taylortony
01-26-2005, 10:58 AM
Aim for the wing root or hit it head on like the B17 in the cockpit area. The 108 should bring it down..

Zneg1
01-26-2005, 11:00 AM
You know why i am asking? I can bring down the B-25's and the B-17s without problems with most planes but the Pe-8s are something else...

Daiichidoku
01-26-2005, 11:02 AM
Try the Fiat G50!

seriously tho, try the P 38 or P 63

110 with Mk 108s should do the trick, too....or the 190A9 with Mk 108s

ParaB
01-26-2005, 11:17 AM
Stating the obvious: FW-190 A8/A9 models, head-on attacks.

Capt._Tenneal
01-26-2005, 11:21 AM
Some of those rear turrets are 20 mm cannons. Nasty sting on those Pe-8's.

plumps_
01-26-2005, 11:53 AM
A FW-190 A8 or A9 with MK108s. Aim at the wings which are quite fragile, especially the ends.

J_Flyer
01-26-2005, 12:18 PM
just give 'em the biggest bombs they can have, set them to second lowest altitude, shoot ones wing off and fly like the clappers!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Result is hilarious. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

TheCrux
01-26-2005, 02:16 PM
Another vote for the head-on attack.

Unless your plane has multiple cannon you'll get chewed to pieces before you can poke enough holes in a PE-8 to bring it down...and that's just a single one. Attacking formations from 4 to 8 O'clock is suicide.

Head-on from above.

WTE_Galway
01-26-2005, 02:32 PM
Only plane I have consistently been able to waste 4 ACE PE8's (or ace b17's for that matter)in is the fw190-A8 with the "in wing" mk108's. In theory the mk103 pods should be better than the mk108's but in game the mk108 is the better weapon.

My normal attack is to approach from head on dive to pick up speed and pull up so i am firing into the underside of one of the bombers as they come past, I then loop above them and attack inverted before passing behind and below the formation, breaking away and doing a more conventional attack from above and behind while ducking and weaving when necessary. The initial attack tends to break up the formation and if you are lucky, damage at least one perhaps two of the bombers. Once you pick off one or two the stragglers the remainder are a lot easy to approach without crazy sniper shots from the gunners. With the mk108's you can even do long range sniping from 400-500 metres back yourself once you are down to two or less bombers though its still safer to make slashing passes from well above and below.


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plumps_
01-26-2005, 02:38 PM
You can't always attack head-on; and it's not safe either as the Pe-8 has a nasty nose gunner. I have the best results in repeated attacks when I dive down onto the bombers from directly above. Here's a tiny track (http://home.arcor.de/rayluck/sturmovik/Plumps_FW190A8-PE8-snapshot.ntrk) that shows what I mean -- and what happens when you hit the outer section of the wing.

PBNA-Boosher
01-26-2005, 06:43 PM
P.11c is the answer to everything.

Gibbage1
01-26-2005, 07:29 PM
Go-229, BE SURE!!!

Badsight.
01-26-2005, 09:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zneg1:
Nope I've not tried the Me282 or the Go plane...not my style... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
your loss

many other FB/PF players also do not like the WW2 Jets included in the game

they are very very fun to fly

Badsight.
01-26-2005, 09:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
In theory the mk103 pods should be better than the mk108's but in game the mk108 is the better weapon. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
no way dude

theres only one gun better for A2A than the Mk103 . . ..

& its name dont start with the letters "Mk"

Jumoschwanz
01-26-2005, 10:47 PM
A worthy cause Zneg1.

Here is how I brought down three ace Pe-8s and strafed the fourth after it landed with a 1940 109e4b.

The Pe8 is from 1940, so when it was new I figure this was all the Luftwaffe had to shoot with right?

I set four ace Pe-8s up in the QMB against my single e4b, settings were full difficulty with the exception of the speedbar which i left on as that was apparently how my QMB was set the last time I used it?

There is only one way to pull this off in an e4 as far as I know and that is to attack the only chink in the Pe8s armour that I know of...

Attack head on yes, but not from level or above. I approached from head on and low. For some reason the Pe8 front gunner will not shoot then. On the initial pass I lucked out and flamed one of the lead bombers engines and it went down.
I found that the instant I was finished firing on a Pe8 in this way I had to roll 122 degrees to the left and pull back toward the ground in a sweep that would bring me off the the side of the formation away from thier side guns. I would then pull ahead and set up the next pass.
I noticed the Pe8s sometimes for no reason do some strange rolling acrobatics. Whatever.

I managed to flame a second with this technique and it went down, the third did not flame but crashed smoking from loss of controls?

The fourth I kept at a few times with just my crappy machinge guns as I ran out of cannons on the third bomber. It landed and I was making strafing passes on it, when it was on the runway and I flew into the ground! wooohooo! what a dumba$$.

Yes, I did save the track if you want me to e-mail it to you. I will try this again and see if I can get all four. I doubt if I will be able to, the e4 is not a great plane for this and it runs out of ammo fast, your shots have to be right on the engines and they will flame though. Thanks for the challenge, I had fun, S!

Jumoschwanz

civildog
01-26-2005, 10:50 PM
The best bomber-killer I've flown is the FW A-8....hang the gun pods on it, but keep the burst short with a convergence of 500m. And keep moving fast.

Zneg1
01-26-2005, 11:09 PM
Thanks guys for the replies. I certainly would try the Antons and the Doras again with the Mk108 and the BF109s and P.11c. I am surprised that this was very hard with the P-51 even with the 4 cannons.

The reason I avoided the jets is not because I hate to fly them, because I know that the Me-262s and the Go-229 certainly would be able to decimate the Pe-8s easily with their speed and cannons on a single pass.

Jumoschwanz you got a Private Message from me...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was caught unware of thos Pe-8 situation since I expected the 4 ACE B-17s and B-25s to be much harder!

ImpStarDuece
01-26-2005, 11:41 PM
Try the P-47 with extra ammo and a low-ish convergence and aim for the inner engines, wing root and cockpit areas.

The .50 cals when used properly make mincemeat
out of bombers. Usually i'll do a head on, high angle pass about 10 to 15 degrees off the line of flight. After that i continue the dive briefly, bottom it out and curl around until i'm flying parallel to the bomber formation. Then I'll aim to get ahead and about 750-1000m above the bombers. After that I make runs in at the wing root and inner engine nacel, usually from the 3 or 9 oclock position occasionally going after the cockpit as well.

Make your run (in the Jug at least) at very high speed (500kph and above minimum) and NEVER get in close with a Pe-8. The foward guns are a little ineffective so try and give the rear gunners minimal time to aim at you. I usually start high and then duck low or start high and shark up underneath in a shallow climb attacking the belly.

Alternatively (but a little harder) you can make vertical runs on the Pe-8. Get about 1500m above and about 100m in front of the fromation, invert and fly straight down. I find a slow roll helps to throw off the gunners. From above the fuel tanks in the wings and the engines are BIG targets. You do have to remember to consciously aim for one section of the airplane. Dont just go "thats my target i'll just shootit as much as i can" Aimed, controlled bursts from a machine gun at known weak points are way more effective than random fire from a MK-108

Heavy_Weather
01-27-2005, 07:08 AM
vertical fighting = cockpit death

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MGBurrows
01-27-2005, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zneg1:
Ok I have been trying and practicing to bring down 4 'ACE' Pe-8 formation...first with the P-51...then Ki-84...Then BF109 G-2 (with MK108)..no dice...All i could do is damage one plane and not bring them all down...almost every plane I tried I get shotdown or heavily compromised...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Nope I've not tried the Me282 or the Go plane...not my style... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So far the only aircraft I have been able to down a Pe-8 with is the Me-262. 4 Mk-108's are what it takes to do enough damage fast enough to allow it to be downed before defensive fire kills me.

tjaika1910
01-28-2005, 12:50 PM
I tried after reading this post. Havent seen the Pe8 aircraft in mission or online, and I found it to be a nice aquintance. One of the posters mentioned the wing tip as a weak spot. It was, I took down 4 Pe doing so. I think any aircraft with cannons will do. Shoot the wingtip and thats it.

For fun I tried the Go thing. Incredibly accurate gun-platform. Didnt need to aim for wingtip, right on fuselage would do it. Could shoot down the plane from dead 6 out of reach for the reargunners (at least they didnt shoot...)

SlickStick
01-28-2005, 09:22 PM
My favorite ride to down Pe-8s is the Hurri Mk IIc. As several have stated, aim for the outer wing tip near the outer engine and you'll be snapping wings off of Pe-8s like toothpicks.

Recently, with one ammo load in the Mk IIc, I took out 6 online Pe-8s in a sortie. One 1-2 sec burst in the right spot and POOF!, no more wing tip. Repeat 5 more times and fly home with 2,400 points. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The main thing is to attack them from above where the gunners can't touch you. A six o'clock attack is pointless as the Pe-8 gunners will usually mow you down 4 out of 5 tries. Plus, you want to hit that wing tip from the top across the nice flat surface. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jaws2002
01-29-2005, 02:40 PM
Have a look at this track. With a little training you can pop P-8's like soap baloons.
Fw190A8/8xP8 (http://rapidshare.de/files-en/471092/A8_on_P8.ZIP.html)