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Blood_Splat
07-15-2007, 06:42 PM
http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html

Blood_Splat
07-15-2007, 06:42 PM
http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html

Waldo.Pepper
07-15-2007, 07:10 PM
Cool information. I wonder if it is 'right' this time. Or is it as wrong as the previous understanding.

"we can expect changes on almost every level of energy."

This could explain all of *******'s observations.

SeaFireLIV
07-15-2007, 07:29 PM
I discovered an update to this!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/milkyway.head1copy.jpg

Copperhead310th
07-15-2007, 07:46 PM
WTF?
lol
Space...the final fromteer.

BoCfuss
07-15-2007, 07:58 PM
"It has been postulated that this is the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter and emit higher energies. Indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc."

Say it ain't so, I paid way too much for a gutless hybrid? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

tigertalon
07-15-2007, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BoCfuss:
"It has been postulated that this is the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter and emit higher energies. Indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc."

Say it ain't so, I paid way too much for a gutless hybrid? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, article looses all its credibility at this point.

heywooood
07-15-2007, 08:40 PM
hmmm - so where we might possibly be located in space, even though we are unsure of our position relative to the other celestial bodies or what that even means in any real scientific sense, is far more likely the cause of global warming on earth than living in the exaust plume of the 20th century?

riiight - now you're just messin' with sasquatch

our location within this particular physical universe is unimportant compared to the situation we are in, not the cause of it.

...its all in your head.

BoCfuss
07-15-2007, 09:12 PM
I'd love to hear how we are causing the temperature to raise on every planet in our solar system.

I guess it all comes down to what politician/scientist we are going to follow/believe.

heywooood
07-15-2007, 09:20 PM
exactly - its all in your head

VW-IceFire
07-15-2007, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BoCfuss:
I'd love to hear how we are causing the temperature to raise on every planet in our solar system.

I guess it all comes down to what politician/scientist we are going to follow/believe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The site is a bit sketchy to begin with so I wouldn't take everything said there at face value. I have only read about Mars showing a slight warming trend...evidently that data has been evaluated and statistically it doesn't correlate with Earths warming trend and coupled that with the report earlier this week that the slight rise in solar activity having a almost no effect (and runs contrary to temperature results from 1980s through to present day versus solar output) on planetary average temperature and you have a few questionable arguments. Still...lesson be learned...take nothing at face value but don't discount possibilities out of hand either. Also remember that "scientists" isn't generally just one person or some sort of hierarchy...lots of scientists and non-scientists who claim to be scientists out there. Navigating that is a bit tricky.

If everyone wants a really odd/interesting read from that site...have a look at the one about Doomsday 2012.

Akronnick
07-15-2007, 10:02 PM
That site is completey, totally, and utterly false....

I first heard about this issue while listening to one of my favorite podcasts, the Skeptics Guide to the Universe (www.skepticsguide.org (http://www.theskepticsguide.org/)). They mention this in episode #102

Further investigation reveals the following sources, which disprove the original article pretty convicingly

http://astsun.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/ (http://astsun.astro.virginia.edu/%7Emfs4n/sgr/)

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy

WillEyedOney
07-15-2007, 10:37 PM
I'm a pretty keen Amateur Astronomer and it didn't take long to realise that what I was reading was complete bunk.

x6BL_Brando
07-16-2007, 02:01 AM
"...We of the overarching Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy have finally come down...."

Don't panic - I'll roll another one!

B http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Gitano1979
07-16-2007, 03:00 AM
The Sun's orbit is, IIRC, in the plane of the Milky Way, so it shouldn't be born of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy.

It's like comets, even when they break up, the debris maintain their orbit out of the ecliptic plane...

Akronnick
07-16-2007, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gitano1979:
The Sun's orbit is, IIRC, in the plane of the Milky Way, so it shouldn't be born of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy.

It's like comets, even when they break up, the debris maintain their orbit out of the ecliptic plane... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only that, but the amount of heavy elements in the Sun more closely resembles other stars in the Milky Way rather than SDG.

And about the idea that the collision between the Milky Way and SDG causing global warming is as silly as Young Earth Creationism. Galaxy collisions take millions of years to unfold, how could it be causing a phenomenon which has only been going on for at most a few centuries?

K_Freddie
07-16-2007, 05:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
Yeah, article looses all its credibility at this point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Show a bit of imagination now, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif otherwise we'll all be flying IL2 planes according to the charts and numbers... Zzzzzz.

Remember all those crackpot papers can have an bit of truth in them. Coz it doesn't suite your brain-span doesn't mean it's heresy - 1 billion flies CAN be wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

(EG:- Leonardo Da Vinci http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Gitano1979
07-16-2007, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Akronnick:
Not only that, but the amount of heavy elements in the Sun more closely resembles other stars in the Milky Way rather than SDG. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

that's another striking proof...

M_Gunz
07-16-2007, 07:33 AM
From the article "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present
position in the Milky Way.". Funny how our sun isn't in such relative motion. "We" must
have got here in the first bunch and picked a good spot! LOL!

BTW Arronick, thanks for those links. Really interesting is better than made up BS.

M_Gunz
07-16-2007, 08:02 AM
It's no real surprise though. The California Galaxy has been robbing the Massachusetts Galaxy
of Loose Thinkers for over 100 years now. This article proves that there is still at least
one left!

BSS_Goat
07-16-2007, 10:59 AM
Raaaid..... is that you??

Platypus_1.JaVA
07-16-2007, 12:10 PM
So we are actually all aliens on our own planet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This gives alot more credibility to people who say they where taken away by creatures in an UFO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

joeap
07-16-2007, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
So we are actually all aliens on our own planet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This gives alot more credibility to people who say they where taken away by creatures in an UFO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read the other articles guys, this is WRONG and BAD ASTRONOMY.

Blottogg
07-16-2007, 02:47 PM
Akronnick thanks for the links. Reading the original article, I went from "cool" to "okaaayyy" to "WTF?" pretty quick. The logic train seemed to follow the "God is love, love is blind, Stevie Wonder is blind, therefore..." track. The Bad Astronomy author did a good job of separating the facts from the pseudo-scientific conclusions. Nice link to the Fred Thompson appearance on Paul Harvey too, spouting a lot of the same nonsense. Too bad he seems to be towing the line of conservative Republican scientific ignorance, I liked him in the Watergate trials, and "The Hunt for Red October".

M_Gunz
07-16-2007, 04:11 PM
I've got a vid clip of IIRC Buzz Aldrin punching out an HB that called him a coward.

Lurch1962
07-16-2007, 04:40 PM
I didn't have to read that "article" to know right off it was bunk. I'm also an amateur astronomer (with several published articles in an astronomy magazine), and my area of interest is Galactic structure, and to a certain extent Galactic dynamics.

The Solar orbit lies entirely within the Galaxy's disk. The orbit is very nearly circular, with radial departures from circularity of about 7%. The Sun oscillates in the vertical in a ~65 Myr period, going no farther from the mid plane than 25-30 pc (a very small distance).

The Sagittarius Dwarf, on the other hand, is on an orbit which is nearly perpendicular to the Galaxy's disk. The recent 2MASS survey has revealed a quite long stream of stars which have been pulled from the Sgr Dwarf, in the form of a tidal tail. This tail lies pretty much along the host galaxy's orbit, or more properly, is confined to the host's orbital plane.

There's no way we could have been torn from the Sgr Dwarf and put into an orbit within the Milky Way that is so VERY different (think conservation of angular momentum).

--Lurch--