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chunkydora
06-19-2008, 03:21 AM
I'm trying to play the pacific fighters Japan defends the homeland from evil B-29s campaign in pacific fighters. I wanna be a fortress killer. Hay maybe that would make a good song. Get the spice girls to do back up lyrics... Anyway, there are basically the ki 84 and 100. What is the difference between them? The 84 seems like it would be better at high altitudes because it's more streamlined, but then why make the 100? Anyone know?

Also, any tips on actually doing the fortress killing? It seems like the gunners always aim for my cockpit. Should I dive in from above? Hard to control the dang planes at those high altitudes.

Say "Sushi" if you just freakin' love Japanese planes!

Then say "anime" of you love using setting up those planes in massive suicide attacks with the mission builder.

Or is it just me?

I feel so alone.
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chunkydora
06-19-2008, 03:21 AM
I'm trying to play the pacific fighters Japan defends the homeland from evil B-29s campaign in pacific fighters. I wanna be a fortress killer. Hay maybe that would make a good song. Get the spice girls to do back up lyrics... Anyway, there are basically the ki 84 and 100. What is the difference between them? The 84 seems like it would be better at high altitudes because it's more streamlined, but then why make the 100? Anyone know?

Also, any tips on actually doing the fortress killing? It seems like the gunners always aim for my cockpit. Should I dive in from above? Hard to control the dang planes at those high altitudes.

Say "Sushi" if you just freakin' love Japanese planes!

Then say "anime" of you love using setting up those planes in massive suicide attacks with the mission builder.

Or is it just me?

I feel so alone.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

WOLFMondo
06-19-2008, 03:36 AM
The Ki84 is much faster and than the 100 but generally carries less ammuntion but some Ki84 models have very big guns equipped. In a ki100 it can actually be quite hard to keep up let alone overtake and set yourself up for a head on attack on a B29 but the Ki84 has no problem doing that. The N1K1J and J2M are both superior to the Ki100 BTW and I personally rate the N1K1's as better overall than the Ki84. Some will disagree though.

Attacking a B29 from any direction is a challenge but from the front or high beam attack will present you with a large target and make you hard to hit.

ploughman
06-19-2008, 03:46 AM
There was a link to a training film a while ago, of tactics for Meteor F3s in dealing with Tu-4s in which USAF B-29s kindly stood in for the borsch bombers. Can't find the link myself but it was interesting and useful.

TinyTim
06-19-2008, 05:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chunkydora:
I'm trying to play the pacific fighters Japan defends the homeland from evil B-29s campaign in pacific fighters. I wanna be a fortress killer. Hay maybe that would make a good song. Get the spice girls to do back up lyrics... Anyway, there are basically the ki 84 and 100. What is the difference between them? The 84 seems like it would be better at high altitudes because it's more streamlined, but then why make the 100? Anyone know? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They built Ki-100 because they basically had many Ki-61 fuselages without engines, "evil" B-29s destroyed the factory for inline Ha-140 in early 1945. So, they installed this new radial engine to existing fuselages. Ki-100 is just a Ki-61 with a different engine.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chunkydora:
Also, any tips on actually doing the fortress killing? It seems like the gunners always aim for my cockpit. Should I dive in from above? Hard to control the dang planes at those high altitudes.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you want to go for a long range sniping of their wings, then Ki-100 might be better choice due to armament: firstly, it has substantionally more ammo (250 rpg, Ki-84_1a has 150 rpg for cannons), secondly, they are installed in the nose so they don't need to be "converged". Ki-84-1a has cannons in wings and machineguns in fuselage. It also seems to me that Ki-100 can take more hits from US .50 cals, but that's just a feeling, I never tested it.

Ki-84 on the other hand is much better performer at high altitudes, which enables you to climb above the fortress and/or overtake it and perform a headon attack.

Best anti-B29 japanese plane IMO without question is J2M5 (not M3). 4 cannons, large supply of ammo, quite durable, good maneouverability, rocket climb (one of the best climbers in the sim, on a par with 25lb spit), impressive altitude performance (at least on a par with P-47), high terminal diving speed.
But then again it's a Navy plane, and you want to fly Army...

As an attacking tecnique - I seem to get best results attacking any 4 engined bomber with a frontal attack from slightly lower altitude, during a shallow climb. Gunners are not very dangerous head on, so you can approach them at slow speed, having enough time to shoot.

R_Target
06-19-2008, 06:35 AM
Use J2M5 and set up an overhead attack. Get above and ahead of the stream, roll inverted, and pull through into a dive while aiming ahead of the bombers. If you do it right, the lead or second bomber will drift toward your gunsight. Closure rate and deflection are both high, but the bombers are more or less defenseless. After taking the shot, dive through the formation and half-roll as you pull out, heading away from the head of the bomber stream. Get some separation, climb, and repeat.

DKoor
06-19-2008, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chunkydora:
I'm trying to play the pacific fighters Japan defends the homeland from evil B-29s campaign in pacific fighters. I wanna be a fortress killer. Hay maybe that would make a good song. Get the spice girls to do back up lyrics... Anyway, there are basically the ki 84 and 100. What is the difference between them? The 84 seems like it would be better at high altitudes because it's more streamlined, but then why make the 100? Anyone know? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ki-100 is my absolute fav among Japanese fighters. There is something that I really like about that fighter.
However, apart from being reliable machine, it doesn't hold any real advantage over Ki-84. That means absolutely no advantage at all in game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . But if you find that 100 cannon shells more are better for bomber hunting, then I agree with you!

Ki-84-Ia - 2x12,7mm = 350rpg; 2x20mm = 150rpg
Ki-100-IKo - 2x12,7mm = 250rpg; 2x20mm = 250rpg

Just be aware... Ki-84 can fight/escape bomber escorts on its own, Ki-100 unfortunately can not (in game). You will always be ran down by American fighters, as speed gap is just too high.
Also note that B-29 is actually faster than Ki-100 at alt, so make sure that you have initial alt advantage so that you can catch them. Ki-84 doesn't have such probs, as it is much faster than Ki-100.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, any tips on actually doing the fortress killing? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Watch closely the area between wing tip and outer engine. Now aim more closely to the outer engine and just concentrate your fire there. You wont believe it yourself, but B-29 is actually very vulnerable in that area! And your only real chance to down super-monster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and live to tell the story may be if you attack it from either;
-head on - logically primary target is pilots cabin, secondary engines at either port of starboard side
-classic eagle strike from above and fire concentrated @ outer wing area as I described above

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It seems like the gunners always aim for my cockpit. Should I dive in from above? Hard to control the dang planes at those high altitudes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes to all your enquiries http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Say "Sushi" if you just freakin' love Japanese planes! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sushi. But I also like American ones too, especially P-38 & 51.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Then say "anime" of you love using setting up those planes in massive suicide attacks with the mission builder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Or is it just me?

I feel so alone.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's not just you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif.

Wildnoob
06-19-2008, 07:55 AM
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1812595429445699346&q=&hl=pt-BR

pay attention, these tactics are very effective if used correctly.

chunkydora
06-19-2008, 11:31 AM
Thanks, guys! Can a j2M5 outrun a stang or tub? What does everyone think of what tiny Tim said that J2M5 is best anti fortress plane? BTW DKoor, the American plane I like is...

The p-40. Oh, so cool! I kill you with my 30 cals!

Col.BBQ
06-19-2008, 03:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chunkydora:
Thanks, guys! Can a j2M5 outrun a stang or tub? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The J2M5 has a speed advantage over those two at low altitude but at med to high alt, the J2M5 only has a small advantage at a certain alt. (I forget)

chunkydora
06-19-2008, 03:21 PM
**** YEAH! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I downed a fortress!

O MY GOD I FEEL GOOD.

I set up a mission with the J2M5 at high altitude, btw thanks for that tip about the vulnerable wing area DKoor, it worked. But damn it the j2m5 isn't available in the campaign. The ki 61 and 100 can't even catch the b-29, and just having 1 or 2 passes is not for me.

zardozid
06-19-2008, 05:04 PM
You got a lot of good advice here... but I might add:

Set your convergence out around 300 or 400 meters, and learn to recognize the size of the B-29 at convergence (start shooting 100 meters before convergence). Dive thru the formation and exit a head and to the side of the formation (45 deg off the B-29 heading) once your 400 meters away level out and continue your 45deg heading until 1000 meters out then turn with the direction of the B-29's and climb 700 meters before attacking again.

When intercepting bombers in RL you take out the gunners first (if you can do this in game then please do...I have never had that kind of luck), but I advise you to take out the engines (it will slow them...and they smoke and burn).

The KI-61/100 are great fighters if you are good at securing advantage before combat (like getting above the enemy or between them and the sun). Don't be afraid to disengage your assault (always know when its time to leave) you will not be able to catch them if they run so use the time to get behind and above them (fly way from them and climb, climb, climb).

I love the J2M5 and the KI-84 but the KI-84 can be a bit twitchy when shooting and the J2M5 has a 3 stage supercharger... I always dampen my joystick settings when flying the KI-84.