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SkyChimp
03-29-2005, 10:13 AM
Just like the P-51, only twice as good!

http://www.strategic-air-command.com/aircraft/fighter/images/f-82_twin_mustang.jpg

And four time better than the Bf-109Z. Z? As in Zero saw service?

Pppphhhhbbbbbtttt!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

BaldieJr
03-29-2005, 10:15 AM
The only thing better than an F-82 Mustang is a long slow BJ.

Chuck_Older
03-29-2005, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The only thing better than an F-82 Mustang is a long slow BaldieJunior. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jeez, I never thought you was slow

The190Flyer
03-29-2005, 10:24 AM
No, no twin mustang, that was the Korean War! It was used more extensively there.

BaldieJr
03-29-2005, 10:24 AM
I'm still thinking of a response.

ploughman
03-29-2005, 10:29 AM
He got you there BJ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

SkyChimp
03-29-2005, 10:30 AM
Messerschmitt never got their copy of the F-82 working.

SkyChimp
03-29-2005, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The190Flyer:
No, no twin mustang, that was the Korean War! It was used more extensively there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I were a Wonderwaffe pilot, I'd fear it, too.

Chuck_Older
03-29-2005, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I'm still thinking of a response. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You used to be better at this

CAPT_COTTON
03-29-2005, 10:54 AM
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The first air battle fought in korea was between f82 and a mig and f82 won http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
Very early hours of war! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

instead of BoB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif why not good korean war game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif MIG ALLEY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif i still have it was last of the dogfigthing type war and in f86 and f82 and migs and some russin prop planes and p51 and f4u and on on on . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

VW-IceFire
03-29-2005, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CAPT_COTTON:
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The first air battle fought in korea was between f82 and a mig and f82 won http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
Very early hours of war! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

instead of BoB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif why not good korean war game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif MIG ALLEY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif i still have it was last of the dogfigthing type war and in f86 and f82 and migs and some russin prop planes and p51 and f4u and on on on . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed!

Von_Zero
03-29-2005, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CAPT_COTTON:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
The first air battle fought in korea was between f82 and a mig and f82 won http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
Very early hours of war! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

instead of BoB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif why not good korean war game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif MIG ALLEY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif i still have it was last of the dogfigthing type war and in f86 and f82 and migs and some russin prop planes and p51 and f4u and on on on . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
actually it was between a F-82 and a Yak9P, so no nedd to be fuzzy about this, it ain't much of a match http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Troll2k
03-29-2005, 11:14 AM
Two pilots?What if one wants to go left and one wants to go right?

Hristos
03-29-2005, 11:22 AM
I see it has two pilots. Who decides where and when to turn ? Are they outmuscling each other in maneuvers ?

Hmm, would be fun indeed to model an AI copilot flying his own fight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Monson74
03-29-2005, 11:48 AM
Who gets the kill?

Hristos
03-29-2005, 12:29 PM
In the spirit of Allied scoring system - both http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Aaron_GT
03-29-2005, 12:39 PM
We'd be better off with something that saw significant action in WW2, e.g. P61 or A26 (to name two US twins we are missing).

BaldieJr
03-29-2005, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristos:
In the spirit of Allied scoring system - both http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats exactly why the 109z had only one cockpit: from a kill-claim standpoint, it was not needed. All the german pilots were already overclaiming.

If the 190z had had two cockpits, and had saw combat, the pilots would have claimed to have shot down the worlds population within a month. There would be, statisticly, no one for Germany to rule.

FI-Aflak
03-29-2005, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
We'd be better off with something that saw significant action in WW2, e.g. P61 or A26 (to name two US twins we are missing). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

P-61!!!!! ARAAARRRRAAAAHHH!!!!! MUST HAVE IT!!!!

but and F-82 would be fun. Anything, I'll fly it.

adadaead
03-29-2005, 01:14 PM
That why 190z is better beacuse of one pilot not two. Which was a lot more efficient and technologcly advanced. No offense intended.

Chuck_Older
03-29-2005, 01:35 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif SeriousChuck for a moment

The F-82 was a design influenced by the Pacific Ocean.

For very long range escort duty, the advantages of two pilots is obvious. Both did not fly the aircraft at the same time. One flew while the other rested. It had a listed range of 2240 miles, and could reach a touch over 460 mph at 21000 feet. Oddly, production planes lacked counter-rotating props, prototypes had them

The plane's development was started in 1944 to meet a USAAF requirement for a very long range escort aircraft for PTO duty- the Army didn't have floating airbases like the USN did. The planes had seats that could be adjusted, presumably for rake (recline,) and the rudder pedals could be de-coupled. Although the plane could be flown from either pilot's position, only the left cockpit had full instrumentation

Only 10 were built as escorts before V-J Day. A further two were made into nighfighters, and that was all for original production.

In 1946, the plane was brought back into the USAAF inventory and it actually was the airplane that replaced the P-61 nightfighter.

Bremspropeller
03-29-2005, 01:40 PM
If there's a Korea-Sim with flyable Sea Furies in the future...count me in for the FAA ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

T_O_A_D
03-29-2005, 01:45 PM
ROFLMAO

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Baldie is no good at and way to fast.

I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Aaron_GT
03-29-2005, 02:41 PM
The Bf109z was designed before the P/F82, so how on earth the 109Z is a copy of the P/F82 is beyond me...

SkyChimp
03-29-2005, 06:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
The Bf109z was designed before the P/F82, so how on earth the 109Z is a copy of the P/F82 is beyond me... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The "copy" remark was a tease.

Enforcer572005
03-29-2005, 09:26 PM
what I'm wondering is how they will simulate the roll effect from the pilots view...you are gonna be rolling outside the central axis of the plane, which is bound to be pretty strange.

I think that would be the toughest thing to recreate in this plane. Keep in mind that the high altitude performance might suffer a bit...the production model had to use allison engines because the license to produce the merlin ran out after the war. Still, those 2 f-82s made quick work of the two YAks...the co-pilot of one even snapped a photo of one as it shot pass them. Gen McAuthor was really pissed because Yaks had destroyed his C-54 on the ground at Seoul (spelling?).

Has there been any discussion of a Korea addon/independant package like pacific fighters? It could make use of alot of existing planes, ships, and vehicles. Oleg would have access to a bunch of Soviet pilots who flew over Mig alley, since that info has been declassified....would make some interesting cmpn subjects. how about flying F9F Panthers, Banshees, and Skyraiders off carriers, or the afore mentioned seafuries and seafire 47s?

They would need 3 versions of F-86, new skins for the F-80, the F-84G, B-26B and C (invader, not marauder), The F9f and Skyraider for carrier ops, and if they felt like it, a -5 corsair. About the only tanks they would need to add would be the M-26 and 46 (identical appearance) and the little M-24.

I think everything else is here except the maps, or is Korea in the Pacific map? I have Mig alley, but don't have the brain power to remember how to do that many sims...it was pretty good, but I like this sim's approach better, and Mig alley didnt have much of a missn builder.

P-51s and Corsairs agianst Yaks....would that be hoot or what? And I wonder if there is much documentation about the use of american planes against UN forces....I've seen reports of P-39s/P-63s showing up, but no real confirmation of that. I'm wondering if Russain sources have anything on that....

Frequent_Flyer
03-29-2005, 09:26 PM
I think most Luftwaffe pilots thought they were engaging two P-51's when they were downed. In fact I paged thru acopy of "The Blond Knight" and he tells of dog fight were he saw eight P-51 in his mirror, so he sent his wingman home and took them all on. I promptly shut the book and moved it to the 'fiction' section of the used book store.Then recalling a passage were he claimed to outrun a P-51 in his 109 in level flight and thought it really belonged in 'science fiction'!!!

tigertalon
03-30-2005, 03:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Troll2k:
Two pilots?What if one wants to go left and one wants to go right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, yea, they usually put one 110 and one 250 pound weighting pilots inside... Of course the heavier one "outranked" the light one...

Seriously, left pilot was the commander of aircraft. His duty was to take off, land and fight. Right pilot was there just for a long boring cruising. So, left pilot could rest while cruising, right one could rest while dogfighting, take off and landing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And this twin had some serious firepower. One of the loadout options was the central gunpod, which contained 8 .50, so together with 6, installed in a wing, this summed up to unbelieveable 14 .50 forward firing guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Aaron_GT
03-30-2005, 03:56 AM
At the USN equivalence of 1 20mm cannon is worth 3 .50s, it's still only the equivalent of 5 20mm cannon. Needing to bolt on an extra 8 .50s in a pod seems a bit desperate to be honest.

The P51 was a superb plane. The P/F82 is a bit of a strange one.

MajorBloodnok
03-30-2005, 04:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The only thing better than an F-82 Mustang is a long slow RBJ. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>RayBanJockey lives!

SkyChimp
03-30-2005, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
what I'm wondering is how they will simulate the roll effect from the pilots view...you are gonna be rolling outside the central axis of the plane, which is bound to be pretty strange.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a good point. I don't think that's modelled on the Bf-109Z. Seems like it would make it hard to keep a plane that's up close in the sights.

LStarosta
03-30-2005, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The only thing better than an F-82 Mustang is a long slow BaldieJunior. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jeez, I never thought you was slow <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or long...

horseback
03-30-2005, 03:07 PM
The P-82 was designed as an extreme long range escort, then as a night/all weather fighter. For the long range role, a co-pilot was a practical consideration. In the night/all weather role, a radar operator replaced the co-pilot, and remained subordinate to him.

AFAIK, the flight controls in the second seat for night/all weather fighters were rudimentary. The second seater never got more than 1/4 of the kill credit, and would have been laughed out of the 'O' Club if he made any attempt to claim more.

In combat, only the aircraft commander fights the ship; every one else on board is either a passenger/ballast or an extra set of eyes, period.

cheers

horseback