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slo_1_2_3
04-29-2006, 11:40 PM
As some of you know I have been "whining"
an awful lot about this pe-2 thing nd about the next 2 addons that will likely be download also well see I'm sixteen and I obviously live with parents and they say no and well its their card so no is no ok? so I just can't get it whichis why I'm against it , if it was somehow availible to me then fine I could always use anthor plane or two even though I did shoot down about 8 pe-2's a while ago in aout 20 seconds,(fragile little plane I think) And well look at my struggle to get the gold pack to join you guys online then I got screwed by pe-2.
Couldn't it be compatible I mean we all have the pe-2 just some have the pit and some don't it would be like the servers you can fly b-17's on except the lucky few would have a cockpit but thats just what I thought I gues it may be more complicated but I just wanted to state my feelings about the topic and others are welcomed to use this thread to state theres.

slo_1_2_3
04-29-2006, 11:40 PM
As some of you know I have been "whining"
an awful lot about this pe-2 thing nd about the next 2 addons that will likely be download also well see I'm sixteen and I obviously live with parents and they say no and well its their card so no is no ok? so I just can't get it whichis why I'm against it , if it was somehow availible to me then fine I could always use anthor plane or two even though I did shoot down about 8 pe-2's a while ago in aout 20 seconds,(fragile little plane I think) And well look at my struggle to get the gold pack to join you guys online then I got screwed by pe-2.
Couldn't it be compatible I mean we all have the pe-2 just some have the pit and some don't it would be like the servers you can fly b-17's on except the lucky few would have a cockpit but thats just what I thought I gues it may be more complicated but I just wanted to state my feelings about the topic and others are welcomed to use this thread to state theres.

Monty_Thrud
04-30-2006, 12:01 AM
Well slo i think you'll be enjoying 404 server supremacy for awhile yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


on the parents credit card thing, do you have a paper round or weekend job?, couldn't this contribute to the add-on?

Feathered_IV
04-30-2006, 12:06 AM
Couldn't you do a deal with your parents for extra pocket money? Mow the lawn, do the dishes or tell mum her hair looks really nice today?

Once you've got the cash you could take it down to the bank or post office and pay into Ubi store that way. Credit card is not the only option. Treat it as a game. A challenge of your wit and resourcefulness. Maybe you could take time out from posting here (no offence) and draft an email to ubi store, explaining your lack of credit card and asking them to assist. I'm sure they will do everything they can to help you give them money http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HotelBushranger
04-30-2006, 12:06 AM
I'm with ya slo mate,I got no card and I doubt the folks would lend me theirs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

slipBall
04-30-2006, 02:37 AM
Yep Slo, I think a part time job is your answer. I started part time work at age 14, was out of the house by 17. When you have some money, you can mail a money order for the add on's.(I think)

p.s. you could also try selling your rudder system's on-line http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Esel1964
04-30-2006, 03:49 AM
Slo-I(being 42)don't have the cr. card prob. you have,but,I still have no intention of paying for something I can't hold in my hand.

I have no clue what's in the minds of 1C/UBI/Maddox.but,they MUST be aware of the stink this whole thing has created,and if they care about future business,will release something in disc form.

I've had to do a reformat of XP in the past,and I anticipate one in the future;thus,until I get a disc that will allow me to reload ALL of the game I've paid for,I'm perfectly content to do without the 'download add-ons'.The game is still fun,and I still haven't done all missions,even after 3 years.

As far as I'm concerned,if hard copies are never released-then I can do without;if I'm going to drop hard earned money-I'd better get a physical object to do with what I want.And I don't mean copy,I mean reload if necessary.

My advice(which I'm sure will be attacked like hyenas on a wounded impala) is don't hassle it,cool your heels,and be patient-see what happens.
Personally,I'd never pay $ that I'd toiled and scraped for,for a damned download.

Call me a hard-as*,I really don't care-but,the whole (basically) $20.00 for a download,that according to many on the forum is nothing but trouble-and no way to reload it on another comp.(possibly years)later,is not only illogical,but borders insanity.Maybe I'm thinking like some sort of hillbilly,but,for my money,I want an object-not something etherial.

Platypus_1.JaVA
04-30-2006, 04:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo_1_2_3:

Couldn't it be compatible I mean we all have the pe-2 just some have the pit and some don't it would be like the servers you can fly b-17's on except the lucky few would have a cockpit but thats just what I thought I gues it may be more complicated but I just wanted to state my feelings about the topic and others are welcomed to use this thread to state theres. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And they eveb haven't done ALL of the Pe-2 crew stations. Can you imagine that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Nubarus
04-30-2006, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
And they eveb haven't done ALL of the Pe-2 crew stations. Can you imagine that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I can imagine that because it's explained in the readme why they are not all modelled. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

FI-Skipper
04-30-2006, 06:20 AM
This addon sounds pretty poor quality really.Couldn't they have released all 3 addons together so there isn't all this hassle with downloading this and downloading that. And 10 for one plane?...pretty poor compared to other releases...

Skipper

Nubarus
04-30-2006, 06:34 AM
Several Pe-2's and two Pe-3's is one plane?

Okay...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
04-30-2006, 06:46 AM
slo_1_2_3,

I'll buy the addon for you. I have blown 20bux on worse thing in the past. Why not send it to a young guy with a passion for this game which you most definatly have. Just go here, www.war-clouds.com/forums (http://www.war-clouds.com/forums) and sign up. Send me a PM there and we will work out the details. My username there is sparx.

VFA-25_Cobain
04-30-2006, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
I'm with ya slo mate,I got no card and I doubt the folks would lend me theirs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

slipBall
04-30-2006, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
slo_1_2_3,

I'll buy the addon for you. I have blown 20bux on worse thing in the past. Why not send it to a young guy with a passion for this game which you most definatly have. Just go here, www.war-clouds.com/forums (http://www.war-clouds.com/forums) and sign up. Send me a PM there and we will work out the details. My username there is sparx. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
04-30-2006, 06:54 AM
Guys, just and FYI.


<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Master Card GIFT Cards</span>

You can pick them up at just about ANY bank. Hell, I think even grocery stores sell them here in ohio. I am sure they are even availible in Europe and other countries. Goto the ban, flop down some cash, walk out with a Mastercard with a spending balance on it. Problem SOLVED.

FI-Skipper
04-30-2006, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nubarus:
Several Pe-2's and two Pe-3's is one plane?

Okay...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok my mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

But still.....alot for a couple of planes with a couple of versions...

jasonbirder
04-30-2006, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> As far as I'm concerned,if hard copies are never released-then I can do without;if I'm going to drop hard earned money-I'd better get a physical object to do with what I want.And I don't mean copy,I mean reload if necessary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think you are paying for when you buy a hard copy of a game? The CD itself, a plastic box...a printed sheet with a pretty picture on it...(all of which cost pence/cents/centimes/pfennigs etc etc or the code that is on the CD? The CD is only a method of distribution - it used to be that computer games came distributed on Audio Cassettes then floppy disks...now CDs though even they are being supersceded by DVDs and as Broadband becomes universal and access to higher Bandwith becomes more common (here in the UK i'm sure 8Mb will be standard before too long...) then Download will become the universal means of distribution...Its called progress...

Nubarus
04-30-2006, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FI-Skipper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nubarus:
Several Pe-2's and two Pe-3's is one plane?

Okay...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok my mistake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

But still.....alot for a couple of planes with a couple of versions... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are also a bunch of new ground objects, missions and campaigns added.

Besides, we already had soooooooooo much for free anyway.
Especially me and me squad mates since this is the first time we actually bought anything IL2 related since all our previous il2 versions where given to us by UbiSoft due to sponsoring.

No601_prangster
04-30-2006, 07:56 AM
As I've spent many thousands on hardware over the last few years to enjoy this flight sim hobby I feel that 10 for a software add-on is a bargin.

As others have said get used to it because download is the future.

RCAF_Irish_403
04-30-2006, 08:15 AM
SLo: Relax, everything works out. (PS: Say thanks to Sparx) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

I myself don't have the add-on yet for multiple reasons...i'm more or less waiting to see if we can get a hard copy of all 3 add-ons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif plus, at the moment, i can't justify spending money on a hobby.....so i'll be offline for awhile but No Big Deal, cause i want to master Mission Building and then try some skinning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif plus i have a HD full of user made campaigns that i haven't touched yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Dew-Claw
04-30-2006, 11:07 AM
Everyone thank Sparx...he has done alot for this community and now goes way out of his way to help a total stranger.
They don't get much better than that folks.

JG52Uther
04-30-2006, 11:24 AM
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slo_1_2_3
04-30-2006, 04:44 PM
You guy rock http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Its realy nice to be heard. And sparx you especially cool man thanx for the offer I do that later when I have more time (if my internet is still running its stoming may get knocked out by electric outage or tree)

danjama
04-30-2006, 05:03 PM
Slo, PM's!

danjama
04-30-2006, 05:05 PM
Wow, just saw Sparx offer, pretty damn amazing, cool guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bremspropeller
04-30-2006, 05:06 PM
Me too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

domenlovrec
04-30-2006, 05:21 PM
Well, some of us will still fly 4.04m. I have money, i don't have credit card, but i could have this patch tommorow on my computer, cause let's face it. Most of players will get addon. I also don't care for that spyware ****. They are and will be part of computer.

So what is stopping me from downloading addon? Well, I allready paid for FB, ACE, and then PF. I decided long time ago, not to spend money like this. But what i realy hate is pay to play thing.

So i have question for you slo. Who will buy you next two addons? There are only two options, no addon or all addons.

Bandit.426Cdn
04-30-2006, 06:00 PM
Sparx:

Simply outstanding, you rock dude.

Slo_1_2_3:

Sparx probably doesn't expect it, but an idea for repayment down the road, i'd suggest a $20.00 donation in kind to Sparx's server when you can afford it.. Sparx's generosity to 'get you in the game' is an offer that doesn't come up often, if at all, in the greater gaming community..

VFS-22_SPaRX
04-30-2006, 08:10 PM
S~ guys. While i appreciate all the nice comments I would like to request them to stop http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . If I can I do. So please let me remain humble in my offer to slo and let it rest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Now that I think about it, I should have just PMed him. But you know laziness prevailed because UBI's PM system is a pain in the you know what http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif hhehe. S~ all and I hope you are all enjoying the Addon.

slo_1_2_3
04-30-2006, 08:19 PM
yea the pm is kinda a pain especially since I have to log in constantly even when I'm reading MY pm's I have to sign in again before I can reply to any of them... now ain't that dumb.

slo_1_2_3
04-30-2006, 10:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So i have question for you slo. Who will buy you next two addons? There are only two options, no addon or all addons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Blast foiled again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Xiolablu3
05-01-2006, 12:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by domenlovrec:
So what is stopping me from downloading addon? Well, I allready paid for FB, ACE, and then PF. I decided long time ago, not to spend money like this. But what i realy hate is pay to play thing.

So i have question for you slo. Who will buy you next two addons? There are only two options, no addon or all addons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Pay to Play? I am not sure what you are on about, you can still set up a server for the earlier versions if you want, and not pay any more.

Most people here WANT more updates with more planes, tweaks to the FM, all which is work for Olegs team. They deserved to be paid back for all the free patches/planes/effects we get time after time by buying a very cheap $20 addon once a year!

Mega cheapskate to say you cant afford that for all the hours of fun we get from the game.

Slo, get this addon, there is no reason why you cant just get this one and not the others. I am not sure what this guy is even talking about.

WTE_Galway
05-01-2006, 12:40 AM
the comments to get a job are silly .. his parents probably will not let him use the card because they are careful about using credit online

as far as downloaded software goes .. i do not have a problem if it works on an offline machine but in this case it apparently doesnt

i have already wasted money on a vector upgrade for TrackIr that never said in the description that it doesnt work unless the machine is online to activate

i personally am going to investigate teh russian CD option

tagTaken2
05-01-2006, 02:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
as far as downloaded software goes .. i do not have a problem if it works on an offline machine but in this case it apparently doesnt
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT?
How does this work?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
i have already wasted money on a vector upgrade for TrackIr that never said in the description that it doesnt work unless the machine is online to activate
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had that problem with the Tir, but it can be activated offline...
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/06-support/support-...-expansion-help.html (http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/06-support/support-vector-expansion-help.html)

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-01-2006, 06:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
slo_1_2_3,

I'll buy the addon for you. I have blown 20bux on worse thing in the past. Why not send it to a young guy with a passion for this game which you most definatly have. Just go here, www.war-clouds.com/forums (http://www.war-clouds.com/forums) and sign up. Send me a PM there and we will work out the details. My username there is sparx. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well done sir your a credit to the community

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-01-2006, 06:36 AM
Have one on me sparx - great gesture.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/glass.gif

slo_1_2_3
05-03-2006, 06:51 PM
hey sparx I registered on war cloud last night and it said it would email me and activation # but still havent gotten anything. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Esel1964
05-04-2006, 01:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
Have one on me sparx - great gesture.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/glass.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LF-As a Texan who's fave brew is Newcastle Brown,followed by Sam Smith's Nutty Brown,and the old original George Killian's Red,what does Spitfire Premium taste like? The website's certainly intriguing!

It may not even be available here,but,if it is,I'm going to track it down even if just for the bottle.

WTE_Galway
05-04-2006, 01:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tagTaken2:
[I had that problem with the Tir, but it can be activated offline...
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/06-support/support-...-expansion-help.html (http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/06-support/support-vector-expansion-help.html) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks for that

i contacted trackir support but they never actually pointed me to this page

WWMaxGunz
05-04-2006, 02:23 AM
Esel, see if they still make Ringnes Light. Light is color only, I know it from 1977-78.

Hard part is finding a distributor who has not let the brew get warm and then chill later,
it may make no difference with the cheap cow p!$$ they sell so much of but it ruins the
good stuff.

Best store, the only store I know of sure to get it right is AAFEES, Army-AirForce-Exchange
Class 6 store that you have to have a base and an ID card or buddy with one to shop at.

However. Have you ever tasted a beer that you can truely call crisp? That stuff is it,
makes the rest seem a bit heavy and cloying. And the aftertaste you breathe in is alcohol,
like the smell from grain only very slight. A real experience, the total opposite of a
good dark brew except for the alcohol. My experience with it was with a small room full
of other troops and we all felt the same. Next time we discovered mini-kegs of Dinkel-Acker
and forgot about everything, except the hangover.

dadada1
05-04-2006, 03:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jasonbirder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> As far as I'm concerned,if hard copies are never released-then I can do without;if I'm going to drop hard earned money-I'd better get a physical object to do with what I want.And I don't mean copy,I mean reload if necessary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think you are paying for when you buy a hard copy of a game? The CD itself, a plastic box...a printed sheet with a pretty picture on it...(all of which cost pence/cents/centimes/pfennigs etc etc or the code that is on the CD? The CD is only a method of distribution - it used to be that computer games came distributed on Audio Cassettes then floppy disks...now CDs though even they are being supersceded by DVDs and as Broadband becomes universal and access to higher Bandwith becomes more common (here in the UK i'm sure 8Mb will be standard before too long...) then Download will become the universal means of distribution...Its called progress... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you are missing the point, he's not objecting to a download as a means of distribution. What happens when you're PC gets a virus corrupting all you're files, dowloads included, or you upgrade to another PC/operating system in the future. For my convenience and peace of mind I would prefer to have a hard copy of some kind. I beleive a download is a way of reducing overheads and maximising profits, which there is nothing wrong with, but when you start calling it "progress". I can't help but wince and think of all the other things that have been done in the name of progress. Downloading music as an MP3 could be seen as progress, but technically it's inferior, has less bandwidth and more compression than a CD. Okay I'm comparing apples with oranges but I hope you catch my drift with regard to "progress".

BillPosters
05-04-2006, 04:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dadada1:
I think you are missing the point, he's not objecting to a download as a means of distribution. What happens when you're PC gets a virus corrupting all you're files, dowloads included, or you upgrade to another PC/operating system in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As long as you have a CD burner this isn't a problem. It is quite possible to burn a copy of the PE-2 installer downloaded by BB to a blank disc to use as a back up.

slo_1_2_3
05-04-2006, 10:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dadada1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jasonbirder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> As far as I'm concerned,if hard copies are never released-then I can do without;if I'm going to drop hard earned money-I'd better get a physical object to do with what I want.And I don't mean copy,I mean reload if necessary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think you are paying for when you buy a hard copy of a game? The CD itself, a plastic box...a printed sheet with a pretty picture on it...(all of which cost pence/cents/centimes/pfennigs etc etc or the code that is on the CD? The CD is only a method of distribution - it used to be that computer games came distributed on Audio Cassettes then floppy disks...now CDs though even they are being supersceded by DVDs and as Broadband becomes universal and access to higher Bandwith becomes more common (here in the UK i'm sure 8Mb will be standard before too long...) then Download will become the universal means of distribution...Its called progress... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you are missing the point, he's not objecting to a download as a means of distribution. What happens when you're PC gets a virus corrupting all you're files, dowloads included, or you upgrade to another PC/operating system in the future. For my convenience and peace of mind I would prefer to have a hard copy of some kind. I beleive a download is a way of reducing overheads and maximising profits, which there is nothing wrong with, but when you start calling it "progress". I can't help but wince and think of all the other things that have been done in the name of progress. Downloading music as an MP3 could be seen as progress, but technically it's inferior, has less bandwidth and more compression than a CD. Okay I'm comparing apples with oranges but I hope you catch my drift with regard to "progress". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I still think it would probably sell more if some random guy walked into walmart and saw the dvd and thought oooohh gota have it and then wanted more the next week and came back to get pe-2 more people would see it than on the internet because I still haven't actually seen pe-2

Skycat_2
05-04-2006, 12:33 PM
Trying to distribute the Pe-2 expansion through Wal-Mart, etc. has its disadvantages also. The longstanding FB vs. expansions boondoggle has made me realize that gold and platimum packs are much easier to comprehend for the average consumer, especially if an older title with a linear chain of addons. If you see Pe-2 on the shelf and you only have "FB Gold Pack" or Pacific Fighters, for example, you might not understand that you need other components of the series to make it all work. That is the beauty of the Complete DVD right now; it could be placed with the Pe-2 retail product. Half the time, though, software stores don't have a clue what version of the IL-2 series they have on the shelf and they end up charging bizarre prices because of that. I don't think U.S. retailers would really get excited about Pe-2 anyhow because 1) it is an expansion, and expansions can only be sold to a fraction of the base sim's owners; and 2) the Pe-2 is a Soviet plane ... and a bomber at that. In terms of sexiness (outside of the IL-2 community of course) Pe-2 has about the same appeal as Rosanne Barr would have on the cover of PLAYBOY. I simply can't imagine the average Joe Gamer in America picking up a copy of Pe-2 and thinking, "Hmmm, finally I can fly the Peshka! Oh, its an expansion for a series that already has three parts, some of which are no longer available, and a compilation DVD of the whole series isn't available to me except through an online importer? No problem! I love Soviet bombers!"

So, as much as I hate to admit it, UbiSoft may be wise in their approach to only market this as a download right now.

Personally, I think one or more of the following should occur in regards to Pe-2:

1) The price for the Pe-2 download should be lowered. Sorry, if UbiSoft is being spared the cost and effort of marketing, packaging and distribution than they sure as hell can lower the price and make Pe-2 more attractive to us. We all know that if this was out on CD-ROM right now the price would drop in six months anyhow as vendors need to regularly clear shelf space and I'd probably be able to walk out of an Electronics Boutique or GameStop with a copy in my hand for $9.99 or $5.99 USD a year from now. As this has happened in the past with other parts of the series, it tells me that UbiSoft either wholesales at a small fraction of the retail price, or IL-2 releases become a market 'dog' about one year after release, and vendors can barely give away their unsold copies. If it only costed me, say, $8 to download Pe-2 right now I wouldn't worry so much if I had to repay to download it again in the case of emergency in the future, or if Pe-2 is destined to ever come out on a DVD collection in the future.

2) UbiSoft should make a limited number of CD-ROM versions available for those of us who prefer a tangible product for our desk drawer. They can distribute through online sales only if they prefer, I don't care, but it needs to be available to the United States, perhaps in cooperation with Go Gamer. An agreement with EB Games/GameStop/Electronics Boutique would be cool even if customers have to special order through these vendors.

3) The three addons should all be offered on one disc after the 46' addon is released. I suspect this is the plan anyhow. It would make sense to me if the U.S. is to get the Complete DVD and the addons at the same time, either as complementary products or as one single DVD.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-04-2006, 06:55 PM
@ Esel1964,

It's an honest English beer - a 'real ale' as we call it over here. As you've no doubt seen from the firm's website, they give a donation to the RAF Benevolent Fund in return for using the Spitfire's name on their beer - I think that's a nice gesture. The advertising campaigns they run struck a humourous chord with many Englishmen, tapping in to the genuine fondness and pride that the name Spitfire evokes - the German Ambassador wasn't too taken with it (he quite rightly pointed that the war has been over for a long time and maybe we should all move on and become good Europeans), but as a Texan, imagine if the Mexicans made a fuss about a beer called 'Alamo'. Certainly worth tracking down if you're a beer buff, but we have many other real ales over here to consider, most towns have at least one Real Ale Festival a year - check out CAMRA, great organisation if you're interested in British beer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Esel1964
05-04-2006, 09:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
@ Esel1964,

It's an honest English beer - a 'real ale' as we call it over here. As you've no doubt seen from the firm's website, they give a donation to the RAF Benevolent Fund in return for using the Spitfire's name on their beer - I think that's a nice gesture. The advertising campaigns they run struck a humourous chord with many Englishmen, tapping in to the genuine fondness and pride that the name Spitfire evokes - the German Ambassador wasn't too taken with it (he quite rightly pointed that the war has been over for a long time and maybe we should all move on and become good Europeans), but as a Texan, imagine if the Mexicans made a fuss about a beer called 'Alamo'. Certainly worth tracking down if you're a beer buff, but we have many other real ales over here to consider, most towns have at least one Real Ale Festival a year - check out CAMRA, great organisation if you're interested in British beer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm a beer buff alright,I've got a collection of over 600 bottles/cans from all over the world,and I only keep cans I sampled.Due to packaging changes,many are multiples of a particular brand,but I've got at least 200 different brands.I can't remember how they all taste,but I know what I liked and what I didn't;most English ales I've had are 'good stuff'.I must admit,I'm not a stout fan though.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifOn a funny note...there is a beer called Alamo-on a show called "King of the Hill" over here.

I get your point about if "Alamo" was made in Mexico,though.We'd just brew an entire line of brews called:Goliad,Sam Houston,and don't forget-San Jacinto. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Seriously though,I'd love to tour the UK(including rural areas) doing my share of pub crawling,all the regional brews must be amazing.

Esel1964
05-04-2006, 09:49 PM
WWMaxGunz-I haven't seen the Ringnes in my area, but I know what you mean about a good crisp beer. Though it can be hoppy,Warsteiner is pretty crisp and I enjoy that one.The Mrs. says Chimay Red is 'crisp',I think it a bit rich to be 'crisp'.

And 'roger' on the Dinkel-Acker hangover-a little too heavy for a big night of drinking; perfect accompaniment for a saurbraten and rotkohl,topped off by a nice Hefe-Weissen-for balance. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif