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Jagdgeschwader2
06-25-2006, 04:18 AM
The tank is said to be in excellent condition and is not rusted! It was captured by the Germans and still carries the markings. Sorry if this is old news. I stumbled on it while I looking for ideas on my 1/16 Tiger I tank build. I need to take diving lessons with all this stuff being pulled out of lakes these days.

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/

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Jagdgeschwader2
06-25-2006, 04:18 AM
The tank is said to be in excellent condition and is not rusted! It was captured by the Germans and still carries the markings. Sorry if this is old news. I stumbled on it while I looking for ideas on my 1/16 Tiger I tank build. I need to take diving lessons with all this stuff being pulled out of lakes these days.

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s.jpg

Lucius_Esox
06-25-2006, 04:25 AM
No I have not seen that before thx for the post...

I can only imagine how much power the pulling tractor must have had to overcome all that resistance with that weight.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

It looks as if with a bit of a clean it will look almost new!

Jagdgeschwader2
06-25-2006, 04:29 AM
Looks like it dug in really deep at the bank. I would not want to be standing near those steel cables. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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HotelBushranger
06-25-2006, 04:46 AM
Well when the Russians attacked Finland in 39/40, they often sent waves of men and tanks onto the ice. The Finnish coastal guns would pound them, firing with shells that would tear holes big enough to engulf tanks. And I have read eye witness accounts of such things, so I was wondering in what condition these would be in. Just a little food for though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

polak5
06-25-2006, 06:54 AM
very nice, thx for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-25-2006, 07:03 AM
Great find. I was amazed to see the German cross on the front of it!

woofiedog
06-25-2006, 08:23 AM
Thank's for posting this story... Very interesting.

Links to the Battle of Narva/Battle of the Tannenbergstellung 1944:

http://www.answers.com/topic/eastern-front-1943-08-to-1944-12-png
http://www.answers.com/topic/eastern-front
http://www.feldgrau.com/6ssb.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Estonia-MapSov.jpg/639px-Estonia-MapSov.jpg

Zeus-cat
06-25-2006, 08:57 AM
I bet the peat at the bottom of the lake really helped preserve it.

I loved the part where they talk about the bulldozer having 19,000 hours on it and never had a major repair. You think this guy use to write articles for a Soviet newspapaer?

SeaFireLIV
06-25-2006, 09:49 AM
Looking at the pictures of that almost perfectly preserved monster, it brings it home to you how this was once very very real and serious.

Jasko76
06-25-2006, 03:14 PM
Wow! I've owned cars that looked much worse than this tank!

Looks like it's ready for action after all these years in the mud!

luftluuver
06-25-2006, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I bet the peat at the bottom of the lake really helped preserve it.

I loved the part where they talk about the bulldozer having 19,000 hours on it and never had a major repair. You think this guy use to write articles for a Soviet newspapaer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not propaganda, for those bulldozers are well known for their robustness.

It is a late model T-34/76 since it has the cupula as seen on the T-34/85.

DuxCorvan
06-25-2006, 05:01 PM
Bogs are ideal for preservation. Remember the Tollund Man and so many other bog mummies from the Iron Age.

2400 years since he was hanged, and the guy looks like he's sleeping. This man has always deeply moved me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.uh.edu/engines/tollund.jpg

Jagdgeschwader2
06-25-2006, 05:37 PM
Some info on captured T-34's in German service.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/t34.htm


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WWMaxGunz
06-25-2006, 07:48 PM
Not long ago they pulled drums filled with heavy water from where the ferry they were
transported on was sunk. Not corroded and the heavy water tested as true concentration.
The ferry was sunk by resistance (I believe Norway) and there was a man who believed
his sweetheart was lost in the sinking that was reunited with her, part of the wonder
of it all. The boat and everything were in very good condition.

I think that trucks and things that went through the ice north of Leningrad have been
pulled out on and off and still fine except like any vehicle that has been submerged you
have to open up and re-lube everything. Never buy a car that has been in a flood! They
drive them to a lot and right there the rear end takes a beating.

LW_lcarp
06-25-2006, 08:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
I loved the part where they talk about the bulldozer having 19,000 hours on it and never had a major repair. You think this guy use to write articles for a Soviet newspapaer?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And not to mention that it is japenese made. Most dozers will run with that many hours if properly maintained. About the only major (time wise)repair they would need in that time frame is having the pins and bushings in the tracks turned

strewth
06-25-2006, 10:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I loved the part where they talk about the bulldozer having 19,000 hours on it and never had a major repair. You think this guy use to write articles for a Soviet newspapaer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Zeus, did you notice this at the bottom of the page mate?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Komatsu Times
(Quarterly News Magazine for Construction Equipment Users - Volume 3 No 1) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

crazyivan1970
06-25-2006, 10:46 PM
Guys, go to this page:

And right above pictures look at the videos.... I dont want to direct link to them... just look for those 4 blue lines:

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ПоÑ"Ñ"¸ º?º но²Ñ"' - ¿осмоÑ"Ñ€µÑ"ÑŒ video...
˜ ²но²ÑŒ ¿Ñ€о´ол¶?µÑ"ся бо' - ¿осмоÑ"Ñ€µÑ"ÑŒ video ...
Start diesel engine - video ...


Yes, the disel video hehe, un-freaking believable lol

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
The latest news about T-34.
Have successfully started the diesel engine not replacing any spare part.
Have replaced only bearings on skating rolls.
Assembly of the tank will soon come to the end and it will be ready to trial runs.
It is planned in the following season to carry on tourists and to show it as a working exhibit of our museum.

The detailed information about T-34.
Germans have driven this tank in lake when fuel was terminated at deviation in 1944. It laid on depth of 12 meters. Above it there were 6 meters of peat and silt. During two weeks divers of club washed away silt above the tank. Any traces of solar oil or oil on water was not. Has found the tank Igor Sedunov on memoirs of local residents. A technical condition of the tank ideal. Fuel in tanks was not, and oil did not leave the engine.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LStarosta
06-25-2006, 10:49 PM
Dang they beat me to it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Hashmark13
06-26-2006, 01:49 AM
That's so awesome.. bookmarked.

WOLFMondo
06-26-2006, 02:23 AM
It looks in good nick. Wonder how many more there are laying about central and eastern europe, hiden away.

Jagdgeschwader2
06-26-2006, 04:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Guys, go to this page:

And right above pictures look at the videos.... I dont want to direct link to them... just look for those 4 blue lines:

'Ñ"Ñ€²?л¸ ¸з нµбÑ"Ñ"¸Ñ - ¿осмоÑ"Ñ€µÑ"ÑŒ video ...
ПоÑ"Ñ"¸ º?º но²Ñ"' - ¿осмоÑ"Ñ€µÑ"ÑŒ video...
˜ ²но²ÑŒ ¿Ñ€о´ол¶?µÑ"ся бо' - ¿осмоÑ"Ñ€µÑ"ÑŒ video ...
Start diesel engine - video ...


Yes, the disel video hehe, un-freaking believable lol

[QUOTE]
The latest news about T-34.
Have successfully started the diesel engine not replacing any spare part.
Have replaced only bearings on skating rolls.
Assembly of the tank will soon come to the end and it will be ready to trial runs.
It is planned in the following season to carry on tourists and to show it as a working exhibit of our museum.

The detailed information about T-34.
Germans have driven this tank in lake when fuel was terminated at deviation in 1944. It laid on depth of 12 meters. Above it there were 6 meters of peat and silt. During two weeks divers of club washed away silt above the tank. Any traces of solar oil or oil on water was not. Has found the tank Igor Sedunov on memoirs of local residents. A technical condition of the tank ideal. Fuel in tanks was not, and oil did not leave the engine.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>[/QUOTE/]

I totally missed that! Thanks for pointing it out Ivan. I was wondering about that engine all day. I wish I could see it for myself. Incredible.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


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Blutarski2004
06-26-2006, 05:13 AM
I've seen site on several Russian tanks recovered from rivers and lakes. One of my Muscovite friends recently turned me on to a photo-essay website which chronicled the recovery of a KV-1 from a Russian river up near Leningrad. It had apparently fallen off a pontoon bridge in the act of crossing the river. The recovery team found it and was able to simply winch it out of the river on its tracks.

It really is amazing stuff - like emerging from a time machine. I'm glad that there are people with a reverence for history who are willing to give their time freely to recovers such artifacts.

woofiedog
06-26-2006, 05:48 AM
http://www.nortfort.ru/np/img/np-55.jpg

Links to the KV-1 pulled from the Neva River...

http://www.nortfort.ru/np/foto_t1_e.html
http://www.north-front.ru/English%20version/news_eng.htm

http://www.nortfort.ru/np/img/t38-01.jpg

T-38...

http://www.nortfort.ru/np/foto_t381_e.html

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-26-2006, 08:25 AM
This is cool stuff. As awareness and recovery techniques are refined, I suspect we'll be privy to more articles like this...to our benefit.



TB

hotspace
06-26-2006, 08:38 AM
Nice find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Corsair_Fanatic
06-26-2006, 09:40 AM
Very impressive work. I'll be very curious to see what it looks like when they get it cleaned up. I can't believe they got the engine going without replacing ANYTHING. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

AVGWarhawk
06-26-2006, 02:33 PM
They said the engine was not working. It would be far to corroded in the cylinders/heads. Most of the rubber gaskets etc cracked or rotted away. It would require a complete rebuild. At any rate, it is a really cool find and a neat story about the boy seeing he bubbles.

NagaSadow84
06-26-2006, 03:14 PM
A few months ago a guy in another forum posted pics from a farm near Berlin. On said farm was a IS-2 from the Battle of Berlin. The tank stood there since 1945.

crazyivan1970
06-26-2006, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AVGWarhawk:
They said the engine was not working. It would be far to corroded in the cylinders/heads. Most of the rubber gaskets etc cracked or rotted away. It would require a complete rebuild. At any rate, it is a really cool find and a neat story about the boy seeing he bubbles. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


According to latest news they started the engine after cleaning it up. No parts were replaced.

WTE_Galway
06-26-2006, 10:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
It looks in good nick. Wonder how many more there are laying about central and eastern europe, hiden away. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Estimates of total T34 production, all variants, range as high as 84,000 tanks (versus 1900 tigers, 6500 panthers and 13,000 Pzkpfw IV , 16000 Pzkpfw III and lets not forget the 54,000 odd Shermans) .. so possibly quite a few.

LStarosta
06-26-2006, 10:27 PM
No joke, when I lived in Poland, some neighbor's dog dug up what looked like a box of mortar rounds like half a kilometer away from our lake-house.

They called in the bomb squad and everything.

This stuff happens quite often, and many times unsuspecting children are maimed if not killed by abandoned explosives.

luftluuver
06-26-2006, 10:30 PM
According to Zaloga there was:

T-34/76 &gt; 35,119
T-34/85 &gt; 29,400

LStarosta, in France and Belgium, even WW1 munitions are found. Not sure of the date, but post WW2, a tunnel mine was set off by lightning.

Siwarrior
06-27-2006, 12:25 AM
just wondering guys, im no expert on this

but wouldn't pulling it out of the lake just be a tad dangerous?, with all the tank rounds and machine gun rounds in it, wouln't they be corroded and unstable? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

SabreF-86
06-27-2006, 02:36 AM
As for this being a late model T-34, no its not. This is a 34/76, very early model. Relatively short barreled gun, angular mantle. I'd have to dig out the books for more detailed info, but the 34/85 has a bigger turret, cast mantle and a much longer barrel.

As for it starting up after only a cleaning and lube job, I can tell you what my dad said about the russian equipment he saw. Their rifles and submachine guns could be put into the mud, run over with a truck, picked up and fired. The tanks he saw were of a crude nature for fit and finish, but the design was such that a farm boy could maintain them with 2 hrs of teaching. New engines would grind off about a pound of shavings into the sump, fresh oil and filter and they were battle ready. In the case of this particular vehicle, the conditions it was sitting under were just about perfect. Not to acidic, nor too alkalyn. Deeply cold, and hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the ammo was still effective.

Sabre

luftluuver
06-27-2006, 03:59 AM
Sabre, the /76 is usually left off the designation. It is not a very early model T-34(/76) as it would have the big hatch. Mid production T-34(/76)s had 2 flush turret hatches. A T-34/85 type cupola was added to late model T-34(/76)'s.

Jagdgeschwader2
06-27-2006, 04:08 AM
It could also be a German modification. They added their own cupolas and equipment to captured tanks.

From Achtung Panzer-T-34:

Waffen-SS units also did not hesitate to use captured T-34/76 tanks and 2nd SS Panzer Division "Das Reich" and 3rd SS Panzer Division "Totenkopf" pressed significant number into service. T-34/76 tanks used by "Das Reich" are of particular interest. When in March of 1943, SS Panzer Corps recaptured Kharkov, some 50 various models of T-34/76 tank were captured. All of those were being repaired in a local tractor (tank) factory that was overrun and designated as SS Panzerwerk (SS Tank Workshop). Shortly after they were repaired along with being modified to German standards, repainted and marked with German markings. Modifications included installation of commander's cupola (from damaged Panzerkampfwagen III and IV tanks), Schuerzen (armor skirts) and other equipment such as Notek light, storage boxes, tools, radio equipment and antenna. 25 of them entered service with newly created 3rd SS Panzer Battalion of 2nd SS Panzer Regiment of 2nd SS Panzer Division "Das Reich".


Read more here and see the pictures:
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/t34.htm

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Choctaw111
06-27-2006, 05:21 AM
It is really neat to see things like this. It really does make you wonder how many tanks, planes and other things are out there just waiting to be found. It is really something when you start to think about it and in how many people's "backyards" these things could be in. You never really know where they'll turn up.

NagaSadow84
06-27-2006, 06:28 AM
No, it's a normal T-34/76 Model 1943. The German cupolas looked different. This particular T-34 belonged to either 20. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (estnische Nr.1) or Beute-Panzer-Kompanie 285 of 300. Infanterie-Division z.b.V..

This one has a German cupola:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/NagaSadow/6PzDiv-PzRgt11-742-Ostfront-1.jpg