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F19_Ob
02-06-2006, 05:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hello again m8's.
As some of U may know, I gave up my experthood some time ago for the enjoyment of flying all wonderfully modelled planes in this sim with my excellent F19 squadfellows.
Flying with less focus in good company is the best thing yet for me with this sim.
Currently I'm re-visiting the Polikarpov planes I-153 and I-16 (Chaika and Rata), smiling while flying.

Expert was it? OK.
The most important thing (I think)to understand is speed.
Speed is energy and it wins engagements or allows you to bugger off when odds are against you.

Lesson 1:
Study your most likely enmies specs and write the following down.
Most important is to know speed at sealevel and the planes accelleration because thats where most fights will happen, but it's ofcourse good to know the speed at high altitude because yor plane may be faster high although slow low.

I recommend 'Hardballs aircraftviewer', a small handy and free program wich lets u compare specs of the planes, side by side, and get the strenghts highlighted.
Hardball posted the link to it on this forum some time ago. (excellent program I think)

U can use it even when online by just minimizing and open the aircraftviewer to look an enemy up and compare specs.
I use it all the time.

Most important though is to test the speed of the planes yourself and on the same map in the sim and make notes because the specs differ a bit depending on wich map.
By directly testing U also get a feel for the planes accelleration, wich is a very important factor to know about.
In Hardballs arcraftviewer U also directly can compare the horsepower specs.

Note that here may be small errors in the aircraftviewr and textbooks in general and it's always best to test directly in the sim because it's what's happening in the sim that is our reality.

If U know about energy first U are much better off.
Happy hunting......


Regards. ob

F19_Ob
02-06-2006, 05:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hello again m8's.
As some of U may know, I gave up my experthood some time ago for the enjoyment of flying all wonderfully modelled planes in this sim with my excellent F19 squadfellows.
Flying with less focus in good company is the best thing yet for me with this sim.
Currently I'm re-visiting the Polikarpov planes I-153 and I-16 (Chaika and Rata), smiling while flying.

Expert was it? OK.
The most important thing (I think)to understand is speed.
Speed is energy and it wins engagements or allows you to bugger off when odds are against you.

Lesson 1:
Study your most likely enmies specs and write the following down.
Most important is to know speed at sealevel and the planes accelleration because thats where most fights will happen, but it's ofcourse good to know the speed at high altitude because yor plane may be faster high although slow low.

I recommend 'Hardballs aircraftviewer', a small handy and free program wich lets u compare specs of the planes, side by side, and get the strenghts highlighted.
Hardball posted the link to it on this forum some time ago. (excellent program I think)

U can use it even when online by just minimizing and open the aircraftviewer to look an enemy up and compare specs.
I use it all the time.

Most important though is to test the speed of the planes yourself and on the same map in the sim and make notes because the specs differ a bit depending on wich map.
By directly testing U also get a feel for the planes accelleration, wich is a very important factor to know about.
In Hardballs arcraftviewer U also directly can compare the horsepower specs.

Note that here may be small errors in the aircraftviewr and textbooks in general and it's always best to test directly in the sim because it's what's happening in the sim that is our reality.

If U know about energy first U are much better off.
Happy hunting......


Regards. ob

Capt.LoneRanger
02-06-2006, 06:18 AM
Not bad, but... uhm... doesn't that belong to the "Tips for newcomers"-sticky? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

F19_Ob
02-06-2006, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Not bad, but... uhm... doesn't that belong to the "Tips for newcomers"-sticky? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually no m8.
I for one still can't keep all specs in my head, and although I may have some notes at hand.

Even the experts out there may benefit from a few moments contemplation on their level of knowledge.
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Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 06:52 AM
I use the force, Obi. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Ob
02-06-2006, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I use the force, Obi. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he.....Me too Pirschie.....
Fortuna smiles at me, and then suddenly I get a cannonshell above me goggles. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 07:15 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I´ve never seen 4 tunas smile. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LeOs.K_Walstein
02-06-2006, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Not bad, but... uhm... doesn't that belong to the "Tips for newcomers"-sticky? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even the experts out there may benefit from a few moments contemplation on their level of knowledge.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I`m not an expert, but I agree with you, fellow!

LeOs.K_Walstein
02-06-2006, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I use the force, Obi. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use it more! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
02-06-2006, 07:36 AM
The ace who says there is nothing interesting in this thread is ignorant, but not an ace.

SithSpeeder
02-06-2006, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">free program wich lets u compare specs of the planes, side by side, and get the strenghts highlighted.
Hardball posted the link to it on this forum some time ago. (excellent program I think) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Others have told me that it is woefully out of date, as Oleg no longer supports updating that information to Hardball (I can't remember the specific convolutions for why, but that is less important). I believe that it was last updated around 2.x, but I'm not sure (hence it doesn't match the current specs of 4.02).

Unless you know something I don't (which I'm sure is the case).

* _54th_Speeder *

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 07:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeOs.K_Walstein:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I use the force, Obi. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use it more! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I remember the force from your He111 guns against my 109 engine while I was escorting you in Hotshot´s server. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

F19_Ob
02-06-2006, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SithSpeeder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">free program wich lets u compare specs of the planes, side by side, and get the strenghts highlighted.
Hardball posted the link to it on this forum some time ago. (excellent program I think) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Others have told me that it is woefully out of date, as Oleg no longer supports updating that information to Hardball (I can't remember the specific convolutions for why, but that is less important). I believe that it was last updated around 2.x, but I'm not sure (hence it doesn't match the current specs of 4.02).

Unless you know something I don't (which I'm sure is the case).

* _54th_Speeder * </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It may be a bit out of date, like most books aswell. That's why I also strongly recommended to use the sim for checking the actual speeds and such in the sim. It is afterall the world wich is real regardless of what books say.

The main gain for me with the aircraftviewer that I use is the function wich enables a comparison list side by side with the strengths highlighted wich makes it very easy to compare specs to get an average.

-------------------------

If oleg has stopped supporting such a fantastic effort and addition to this sim he must have good reasons indeed.
Lets se if he 'lends' the idea for viewing and comparing for BoB.

TheGozr
02-06-2006, 12:08 PM
Know by heart your ennemies plane because you fly your ennemies planes many times.
lets your weakness be your force. Remember you fly the plane and don't lets the plane fly you.

nealn
02-06-2006, 12:38 PM
Excellent points. F19_Ob.
Have used Hardball's aircraft viewer in offline campaigns but had not thought about online use.

Good pointsabout speed as well. It is life in this game.

Neal

vanjast
02-06-2006, 01:16 PM
Bollocks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Know your plane inside out. The other plane does not matter when you have 'IMAGINATION' and a bit of luck (I only said a bit), you beat it every time.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

danjama
02-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Sticky this. Oh wait im not a mad, can we get a mod in here?

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 03:13 PM
Sorry Gozr, I have to agree with Vanjast. Concentrate on the advantages, disadvantages, and limits of your own ride.

I do see your point though, but I try to keep it as real as possible. I doubt the RAF and LW had a pilot exchange program.

I want to get used to two Allied aircraft simply for the use of training in a squadron. Not so real but there isn´t exactly a fineline between a sim and reality. I guess it depends on how much grey you can personally stand.

I hated being in a squadron that flew 109 vs 109 for practice, although that would be a little closer to reality. So, when I fly again, it will be Spits and La´s for training and 109 and 190 for fighting.

I'll still be concentrating on the G2 and A4 though.

Fritz

TheGozr
02-06-2006, 03:57 PM
Well Pirsjaeger we have the chance in this sim to have an exchange program. But this topic subject is how to be good online and the way that your are taking will be harder to optain that edge.
It is a must and obvious that you should know your plane inside out but that is not all.

wanna learn ot be a good online pilot spend time in "IOCL" server or "Normandie Niemen"

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 04:10 PM
I like full real Eastern theaters. I find everything else to be boring.

But you mentioned getting to know the enemy plane. Do you mean fly it and get to know it?

If so, I honestly don't think that will help much. LW and Allied pilots seem to fly differently, not only different planes. I´m more interested in the enemy pilot than the planes, since it is the pilot that makes the plane.

Take a pilot like JG/54SerpentBlade from HK for example. I don´t know if he still flies but two years ago, he was deadly in anything he flew and he flew both sides, although the 109 was his favorite.

For training 1 vs 1 dfighting, he´d let you choose his plane and you also choose your own. I found it typically easy to beat Spits and P-51's in online servers while I had the 109G2. But, I could never beat Serpentblade.

One thing, of many, that I learnt from him, was that whatever the enemy plane was, the enemy pilot had the potential to be more dangerous than his plane. When I meet the enemy 1vs1 online, I don´t go straight in for the kill. Too many cowboys die that way. I´ll maneuver a certain way to see what his reaction is. Based on his reactions I can pretty quickly sum up his skills.

You´ve been here long enough so I think you´ve been flying long enough to know what I mean. You probably do the same thing. Not so easy to explain though.

Fritz

F19_Olli72
02-06-2006, 04:12 PM
Pirschj¤ger, i suppose you know that Günther Rall (amongst others) flew many captured planes (Spitfire, Mustang etc). So not maybe pilot exchange program, but definatly a plane exchange program http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 04:22 PM
Sure but that´s 1 out of 36,000? I know what you are saying and I understand what Gozr is saying, but, and we must remember this is a subjective thing, I feel your flying time would be best spent in your favorite a/c. I think it´s more important to know and know how to use the limits of your own a/c.

But then again, this is a sim and not reality. So, each will have their own way.

It´s good that we don´t agree. There are fresh pilots reading this thread and it´s good for them to hear all ideas.

Fritz

F19_Olli72
02-06-2006, 04:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Sure but that´s 1 out of 36,000? I know what you are saying and I understand what Gozr is saying, but, and we must remember this is a subjective thing, I feel your flying time would be best spent in your favorite a/c. I think it´s more important to know and know how to use the limits of your own a/c.

But then again, this is a sim and not reality. So, each will have their own way.

It´s good that we don´t agree. There are fresh pilots reading this thread and it´s good for them to hear all ideas.

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, its a question of preference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The "fly one/few and become really good" or the "fly many and be a jack-of-all-trades" method. Both has its advantages and disadvantages.

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 04:44 PM
I´ve noticed that blue flyers usually stick to a small variety while the red flyers often fly a wider variety of a/c, but I think that´s more to do with availability in the sim.

Fritz

F19_Olli72
02-06-2006, 05:15 PM
But im a purple flyer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MLudner
02-06-2006, 05:36 PM
The force is never with me on-line. I got smoked by a blind-lucky drunk this weekend. I was flying CAP over the forward Blue base hunting vulchers in a 109G10. I'm rolled a little right checking for ninjas under my tail and when I look back to the front there is a red Spit fleeing two blue pursuers just off my right front and before I can even so much as say "Boo" he nailed me. I had to limp back to my base trailing smoke then belly-in next to it because the engine died before I could get in position to attempt an approach. (However, a new engine and set of props, a few patches for the holes and a new paint job and that 109 would fly again just fine)

FORTVNA is an feckless, fickle, treacherous, capricious, malignant *****.

TheGozr
02-06-2006, 05:57 PM
"Normandie niemen" all the way! Axis vs NN forces. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif part of the "IOCL" International Online Competition League .
Place it in your fav .

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-06-2006, 06:10 PM
If 'knowing your plane inside and out' means being able to fly without contemplating every control input then I agree, but knowing your plane inside and out only helps if you know some of (or at least a modest understanding of) your opponents strengths/weaknesses as well.

For instance, with both aircraft on equal 'E' terms, how would you know to spiral-dive, gain airspeed and do a high-speed scissor to shake that Spit on your tail without knowing some of its strengths/weaknesses?

I have a few favorite rides (Red AND Blue) and like my chances when flying them regardless of my opponent's ride, but I WANT to fly them all. By doing so, I am better equipped to beat them in my favorite mount.

ps. Olli, if your sig is a modified screenshot, I'd like you to consider making one for me. I have a favorite skin, but I'll take whatever you make. Your screenies are THE BEST.


TB

Pirschjaeger
02-07-2006, 04:33 AM
When I have an enemy on my tail I won´t have any accurate idea of how to shake him. I simply have to try it and it will depend on so many variables. There is no simple formula and chances are you will not shake him on the first attempt, but what he does on your first attempt will help you to find the solution for you next attempt.

That stupid interview with Bud Anderson comes to mind. I idiot interviewing Bud asked which was the best maneuver. Bud gave a much friendlier answer than I would have. There are too many variables to have solutions before hand.

I am a strong believer in "It´s the pilot, not the plane". So now you know where I´m coming from. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
02-07-2006, 04:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
"Normandie niemen" all the way! Axis vs NN forces. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif part of the "IOCL" International Online Competition League .
Place it in your fav . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I have a rig again, I´ll give it a try. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WOLFMondo
02-07-2006, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I´ve noticed that blue flyers usually stick to a small variety while the red flyers often fly a wider variety of a/c, but I think that´s more to do with availability in the sim.

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lots of guys that only fly Luftwaffle seem to only fly just one type. Its pretty rare to see a dedicated blue flier switch from 190 to 109 regularly, lots of guys just seem to fly one type only and never switch. I'm like that when I fly Luftwaffle, I only fly the 190's, can't stand the 109's.

F19_Olli72
02-07-2006, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
ps. Olli, if your sig is a modified screenshot, I'd like you to consider making one for me. I have a favorite skin, but I'll take whatever you make. Your screenies are THE BEST.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks TB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Yes it is a screenie, sent PM.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-07-2006, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Thanks TB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Yes it is a screenie, sent PM. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


WOOT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-07-2006, 07:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I´ve noticed that blue flyers usually stick to a small variety while the red flyers often fly a wider variety of a/c, but I think that´s more to do with availability in the sim.

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lots of guys that only fly Luftwaffle seem to only fly just one type. Its pretty rare to see a dedicated blue flier switch from 190 to 109 regularly, lots of guys just seem to fly one type only and never switch. I'm like that when I fly Luftwaffle, I only fly the 190's, can't stand the 109's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 109 and the 190´s are so completely different. I choose to fly both because I know many LW pilots flew both, or at least those who survived long enough. For me, it´s about historical accuracy. Both planes have their unique qualities. The 190´s guns, and the 109´s handling.

Fritz