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doug.d
08-12-2007, 04:07 PM
I was inspired by RJ's great thread to go take some pics and will add as I'm able. Might add the storeys behind the pics if they're interesting.

Starting with the Spitfire F VIII

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/SpitfireFVIII.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Spitfire2.jpg

doug.d
08-12-2007, 04:07 PM
I was inspired by RJ's great thread to go take some pics and will add as I'm able. Might add the storeys behind the pics if they're interesting.

Starting with the Spitfire F VIII

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/SpitfireFVIII.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Spitfire2.jpg

U301
08-12-2007, 05:11 PM
I have been to the one in Johannesburg!
They have a one man U-Boat (complete with glass bubble,Lol) that was used in the last years of the War.
And a two seat Messerschmitt that I think is unique.
An excellent Museum well worth a visit!
KUrtz.

Realjambo
08-13-2007, 01:53 AM
Good start Doug! I look forward to seeing the rest of your photo's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

doug.d
08-13-2007, 03:34 PM
To finish off with the Spitfire:
The story and specs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Spitfire3.jpg

The Merlin engine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Merlinengine.jpg

They have a Mosquito but no space to put it, so they've hung it under the roof of the hanger. They've also rebuilt the hanger with solid brick walls so to get it out will require breaking the hanger or the plane. At least there's now a stairway to a viewing platform but no chance of getting distance for a decent picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Mosquito.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Mosquito2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Mosquito3.jpg

The last of te allied WWII planes is the Hurricane MkIIc

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/HurricaneMkIIc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Hurricane2.jpg

The specs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Hurricane3.jpg

I know, I know, I can hear the frustration. "When is Doug going to get to the Luftwaffe?!!!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Maybe tomorrow night, running out of time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif For now, I'll chuck in some oddments.

To train the pilots for the above planes, a Link Trainer used from 1935 to 1953.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/LinkTrainer1935to1953.jpg

Some WWI planes:

Scout Experimental 5a better known as the much respected SE5a

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/ScoutExperimental5a.jpg

A DeH-9

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/DeH-9.jpg

Lastly, a Hawker Hartbees

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/HawkerHartbees.jpg

Enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
08-13-2007, 05:44 PM
Im notcing that Hawker has a distinct shape.

VikingGrandad
08-13-2007, 05:50 PM
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Great photos Doug - especially the Spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I look forward to seeing the Luftwaffe exhibits...

doug.d
08-14-2007, 03:30 PM
Watch out, here come the Luftwaffe! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1st up a Bf109F/2 Tropical

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bf109F2Tropical.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bf109F23.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bf109F24.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bf109F22.jpg

And the story:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bf109F25.jpg

Another Bf109, this time a Bf109E3 which ran out of fuel over England and had a not-so-soft landing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/CrashedBf109E3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Crashed2Bf109E3.jpg

Its story:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bf109E3.jpg

Here's the only surviving Me262B-1a-U1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Me262B-1a-U1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Me262B4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Me262B2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Me262B3.jpg

Its story:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Me262B5.jpg

Heck knows where they got this from. A BMW 109-003 turbojet engine from a Heinkel He162A-2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/HeinkelHe162A-2engine.jpg

But, my personal favorite, a Focke Wulf Fw190A-6/R6

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/FockeWulf1Fw190A-6-R6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/FockeWulf2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/FockeWulf4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/FockeWulf5.jpg

Note the 30mm Mk108 cannon in underwing gunpod

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/FockeWulf3.jpg

That's it for the Luftwaffe. Last pic for tonight is the dreaded '88' anti-aircraft gun/tank killer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/88.jpg

U301
08-14-2007, 04:26 PM
Fantastic shots Doug!
That was the Messerschmitt 262 that I told you about!
Do you have any shots of the one man U-boat?
KUrtz.

doug.d
08-14-2007, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by U301:
Fantastic shots Doug!
That was the Messerschmitt 262 that I told you about!
Do you have any shots of the one man U-boat?
KUrtz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, maybe tomorrow. G'night.

VikingGrandad
08-15-2007, 04:19 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif More great photos! I especially like the third one of the Me109 and the first one of the Me262. The FW190 and 88 gun look awesome too.

Celeon999
08-15-2007, 04:20 AM
Excellent pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

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doug.d
08-15-2007, 03:56 PM
Ok, more appropriate to this forum, it's navy time.

The German Molch (Salamander) 1-man mini-sub with its 2 torpedoes in place.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Molch2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Molch3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Molch-Salamandersub.jpg

I used to climb inside many years ago, but now they have a perspex cover over the conn. It's supposed to be see-through but it's so mucky the camera couldn't pick up much inside. You can still make out the toilet seat the poor guy has to sit on though, probably so that he could drive and **** himself at the same time when approaching a target. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Molchcab.jpg

The story:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Molch4.jpg

The British Mark IX D torpedo. It's so long I couldn't get a decent side-on pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/BritishTorpedoMarkIXD21inch.jpg

It's story

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/BritishTorpedoMarkIXD21inchspec.jpg

Now we'll take a closer look at the guns that kick our butts when our U-boats are caught on the surface.

A single 4-inch Mark IV naval gun

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Navalgun4inch.jpg

A twin 4-inch QF Mark XVI turret from a Loch class Frigate

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Navalguntwin4inchLochfrigate.jpg

A Hotchkiss 6 pounder Mark I naval gun used throughout both world wars and typically fitted to Whalers, trawlers and harbour defense boats. Its high angle capability made it usable for surface to air as well as surface to surface.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/NavalgunHotchkiss6pounder.jpg

A 40mm Bofors AA gun on naval mounting

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/NavalgunBofors40mm.jpg

Oerlikon 20mm AA on naval mounting

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/navalgun20mm.jpg

So that's it for tonight then.

Thanks to the guys commenting, nice to get feedback. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif To everyone else, you no like? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Celeon999
08-16-2007, 12:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> To everyone else, you no like? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


There is not much going on here in the forum lately. Lots of people have moved to the SH IV forum.

Maybe one of our dilligent mods can make this thread a ...ehhmmm... double .....both forums.......see it here and there....ehhhm...thingy..thread ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

So that everyone can see the pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VikingGrandad
08-16-2007, 02:57 AM
Celeon's right - this forum ain't as busy as it used to be! However, we still get a few new Kaleuns joining us every month, which is good to see.

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I've added a shortcut to this thread in the SH4 GD forum.

ubernissen
08-16-2007, 03:24 AM
That's really nice pictures.
Been in Johannesburg twice, on business. So no time for fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Bucketlung
08-16-2007, 07:13 AM
It looks like a very well done and well maintained museum. Thanks for the effort of posting the pictures.

Do you by any chance have more pictures of the Merlin engine?

That girl in blue behind the Bf109, is she the same girl as in the 7th picture in Carotio's pictures at the Verdun museum?

Grymmjakk
08-16-2007, 07:59 AM
Nice Pics Doug ,There is nothing I like more than wandering around military museums and being able to see/touch history first hand http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
08-16-2007, 10:14 AM
What about Armor?

doug.d
08-16-2007, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do you by any chance have more pictures of the Merlin engine? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, here's a "cut-away" Merlin

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/merlincut.jpg

doug.d
08-16-2007, 03:18 PM
For the IL2 boys.

Things you shoot at.

A half-track

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Tankhalftrack.jpg

T34 tank

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/TankT34.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/TankT342.jpg

.....and things that shoot back at you.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/AAA2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/AAA1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/AAA3.jpg

Something for the Medal of Honour or Call of Duty types - small arms

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Smallarms3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Smallarms2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Smallarms1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Smallarms4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Smallarms5.jpg

Anti-tank rifles

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Smallarms6.jpg

I think WWII just came to an end... again.

Here's a few random post WWII pics:

A Soviet T55 Main Battle tank with a Sherman in the background

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/TankT55.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/TankT552.jpg

Some of the SAAF's old planes

An Impala. Originally an Italian Aermacchi manufactured under licence in SA. Currently being replaced by British Hawk trainers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Impala-Aermacchi.jpg

A buccaneer

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Buccaneer.jpg

A firm favourite of mine which as a kid made me resolve to one day fly a fast jet fighter. Something I finally did a few years ago, when I chartered a Hawker Hunter.

The Mirage IIICZ. There's still at least one flying at air displays and its dirty old engine is LOUD and has a distinct snap and crackle sound that makes my hair stand up, beautiful!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/MirageIIICZ.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Mirage2.jpg

A nose view specially for VikingGrandad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Mirage3.jpg

That's about it. Soz WilhelmSchulz, yes there was more armour e.g. an SANDF Centurion Main Battle tank and various lesser known WWII tanks and armoured cars but I didn't snap them.

They had a great selection of modern armoured cars donated by the SANDF and the museum prides itself on keeping exhibits in working order. So, our version of the Gestapo came and confiscated them and all live ammo, in case the were stolen by criminals intent on creating mass destruction.

I hope you've all enjoyed my trip to the museum, I know I enjoyed posting the thread.

comanderFritz
08-16-2007, 06:22 PM
damn i love seeing all the small arms even if they are deacts and demilles. to bad i will not won many more. thanks ATF and mechine gun parts import ban. cant even make a semi auto any more much less a dummy.

Celeon999
08-17-2007, 12:32 PM
Can someone explain to me how all those things made their way to South Africa ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Someone in that museum seems to have good connections http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

lane2512
08-17-2007, 12:35 PM
Wow.....great shots....nice museum!
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doug.d
08-19-2007, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Can someone explain to me how all those things made their way to South Africa ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Someone in that museum seems to have good connections http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
South Africa became a Republic in 1961. Prior to that it was a Commonwealth member which fought for the allies in WWII. There was pretty much a free flow of weaponry to SA, including captured weapons.

Messervy
08-19-2007, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Can someone explain to me how all those things made their way to South Africa ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Someone in that museum seems to have good connections http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was it Smuths who replied:
"Whom do we fight, the British or the Germans", when asked if the SA army is ready to fight in WWll.

Given that attitude I don't find it particulary strange that the Museum has quite a taste for German weaponry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif