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AaronFelder
11-23-2008, 07:02 PM
By Supreme Master,i mean one who can kill lots without dying lots (At least a 2-3 K/D ratio would be nice)

AaronFelder
11-23-2008, 07:02 PM
By Supreme Master,i mean one who can kill lots without dying lots (At least a 2-3 K/D ratio would be nice)

TX-EcoDragon
11-23-2008, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AaronFelder:
By Grand Wizard,i mean one who can kill lots without dying lots (At least a 2-3 K/D ratio would be nice) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Err. . .whoever came up with that title should throw it out IMHO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Wizard

As for your question, it just takes practice. . . at least at first. . .once you have the skillset and the understanding, then it just takes discipline to not get yourself killed. There are certainly weak pilots with decent kill to death ratios, and there are plenty of strong pilots with average kill/death ratios the big difference is engagement discipline. If you fly smart, you don't have to be the best stick on the block. If you rely on your "superior skill" to get you out of a fight that you shouldn't have entered in the way that you did, you might have fun but you will probably get nailed by the guy with the advantage. . .even if he's the weaker pilot in the stick and rudder department.

AaronFelder
11-23-2008, 07:26 PM
Sry fixed it

K_Freddie
11-23-2008, 11:13 PM
KKK --- http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif We have a few of those looneys down here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Sad bunch.

Ah yes! Supremo Pilot, Numero Uno.
From RL, the top guys used different methods..
- Hartman used Hit-and-Run
- Marmaduke Pattle would mix it up against superior numbers - he died.
- Gunther Rall was shot down ~8 times (AFAIK) and survived.
- Others say they're were extremely lucky (I tend to agree).

For you.. you must practise crashing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Put your plane into extreme positions and crash it.
We can afford this luxury in a sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.
When you crashed enough you start to pick up the early warning signs of a pending crash, thus avoiding it. This will put you onto the 'road' of being able to do these outrageous moves and survive, and this is important in combat.

Next is to learn the tactics.
- Safety in numbers.
- Don't be a 'bull in a china shop', think about what you're doing, and think fast.
- Practise.. you get there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jayhall0315
11-24-2008, 01:44 AM
All these guys have given you good advice. Being a Supreme Master as you call it, is what I might call a supreme application of energy management and prudent a_s_s saving techniques. If you are interested in learning from some guys who can already do this very well, I suggest you try reading this document:

http://files.filefront.com/The+Masters+List+Oct+Nov08pd...02626;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/The+Masters+List+Oct+Nov08pdf/;12302626;/fileinfo.html)

You will definitely find some gentlemen that can help you on your journey to Supreme Master http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif...oh, and you will not get there without many deaths and a strong ego.

Jay

Pigeon_
11-24-2008, 02:02 AM
The easy answer is: only fight when you have a big advantage over the enemy. How exactly to do this is described in the link to the guide in my signature. It's a long, but good read and very much worth your time.

DuxCorvan
11-24-2008, 02:16 AM
There's only one Supreme Master, and I don't share my power. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Come on, "Supreme Master" and so... that's soooo juvenile. But I guess you are a young lad.

There are no "supreme masters" nor prima donna attitudes in the world of sim gaming -unless you want to be derided. But there are good virtual pilots there.

Just learn the real tactics -keep energy advantage, know the pros and cons of your ride and the enemy's, practice your marksmanship, save ammo and fuel, fire at close range, don't be suicidal, take good looks around, take them to the type of fight that suits you better, don't expose yourself without need, be gentle on your ride, collaborate with your pals (protect them and get protected)- and everything will be OK... most of the times, for luck also counts.

Ah, and since we make this for the fun, the thrills and friendship, NEVER take it so seriously as to start jerking around as a "Supreme Master". You'll only get pats in the back, and condescending smiles. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

X32Wright
11-24-2008, 02:52 AM
if you really want to be the best well all I can ask you is to have

1) PATIENCE-This means taking time to assess the situation around you and waiting for the right 'firing solution' to use ur guns.

2) BE RISK TAKER- This means trying things out and see if they work or not and if they don't work learn from it. Doesn't matter if you die a million deaths as long as you learn from it.

3) HAVE NO FEAR= This means never being afraid of getting shot down at all as well as have the focus to engage anything that flies and trheanes you without fear speciallf if they are on your six.

WOLFMondo
11-24-2008, 04:05 AM
Find a good fighter pilot and be there wing man. You'll learn allot that way.

fabianfred
11-24-2008, 04:13 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifthis isn't Dungeons and Dragons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

general_kalle
11-24-2008, 04:19 AM
find a wand and a silly hat and get the medallion of the red dragon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

M_Gunz
11-24-2008, 04:36 AM
If you want to get as good as you seem to then start by getting:

A) good training -- not just learn as you go or get shown some things that work
B) a wingmate -- possibly join a serious squad
C) a serious case of humble

No matter how good you get, when what you do isn't working then try something else.
IE you'll never have one bag of tricks that covers every situation.

Be sure that when you are doing really well you will still meet better.
Those are the ones you learn most from, usually the hard way.

Forget the title, it will only get you trouble and less cooperation.
Wipe out your score every so often unless you like being swamped.

Eventually you will get old. High on the Heap is a temporary position.

JtD
11-24-2008, 04:50 AM
I too think patience and discipline are most important. But I'd add that knowing the tools are equally important. If you fight, you have to fight to your strenghts, not to yours opponents strengths.

Personally, I tend to pick the fastest ride available and if I have the advantage, I engage, if I don't have the advantage, I run. Simple as that, works quite well. Personal survival record is about 70 scoring missions in a row with a save rtb on a dogfight server.

DuxCorvan
11-24-2008, 06:12 AM
http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/comicfighterplane1.png

Bremspropeller
11-24-2008, 06:19 AM
Dux has gone one Paella too far http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

SeaFireLIV
11-24-2008, 07:11 AM
yawn.

This isn`t a console game. It`s based on reality. There are no WW2 fighter pilot `supreme masters`.

If you want to get close to being good you`ll need to practise, learn aircraft flying techniques (like energy fighting) and take it seriously. All rather boring, yes?

There are no quick-fix `make me a Supreme master` or EVERYONE would be doing it. think about it.

Especially online.

Get with it please or play a console game with cheats.

Chris0382
11-24-2008, 07:28 AM
Ill tell you what though. I have read that Chuk Yeager had very good eyesight. He also had good resolution of his eyes were he could make out objects very far away and had an uncanny ability to scan the horizon and pick out dots that were the enemy. My biggest weakness in this game is not being able to spot my enemy from far.

I say locating the enemy from far away and knowing were the threat lies will make one a supreme fighter pilot in WW2. Also being able to prioritize (that which is most dangerous) targets is essential.

K_Freddie
11-24-2008, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
http://files.filefront.com/The+Masters+List+Oct+Nov08pd...02626;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/The+Masters+List+Oct+Nov08pdf/;12302626;/fileinfo.html) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oooooo... I wannnabeee... can I.. can I ?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif
Ahhh thanks... but no thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
You'll know when I'm around... you'll suddenly notice distinctive shape appear out of nowhere, behind you.. keep your eyes open http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

CRSutton
11-24-2008, 09:02 AM
Invade your neighbor's lands. Kill all of his menfolk, enslave his women, eat his children, then sow his soil with salt. Continue to do this-always expanding in ambition and scope. Have 12 sons, then murder all of your male heirs and marry the girls off to minor foreign potentates who will submit to your demands. Send your fist wife to a convent, hang the second for sedtion, then draw and quarter the third just to insult her emasculated family. Build a super army, pay them well and then unleash them on weaker powers as an example to the rest of the world. Destroy and torture those that do not submit to your will. Surround yourself with lackeys, bootlicks and murderous henchmen that will do you bidding and support your reign of terror. Then, invite (force) the Pope to come to your capital and bless you while you place the crown upon you own head and proclaim yourslelf "supreme master". Finally build a great palace in.........

Oh wait, a minuite. I get it! You meant "how do I become a good pilot"? Sorry, have'nt got a clue. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Swivet
11-24-2008, 09:25 AM
Practice!......end of thread..............Next! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

idonno
11-24-2008, 09:47 AM
"The truly superior fighter pilot is one who uses his superior intellect to avoid having to use his superior skills."

If you're looking for Operational Realism, the JSAWG (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/48310655/m/9771043336) wants you.

I.D.

X32Wright
11-24-2008, 10:06 AM
know the 'Dicta Boelcke' by heart!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYMZlrLVosA

Jaws2002
11-24-2008, 11:27 AM
Theres's no such a thing as "supreme Master " in this game. there are and were a lot of very good and talented players during the long history of this game. First there are many servers with many different settings and different rules. If the whole game would be played in the same server, with the same rules and settings, you could start looking at a shorter list. But with IL-2 being played online in such a wide variety of flavors you'll always have a lot of good players in certain conditions. You take "the best" one on one pilot and throw him in a heavy team oriented full switch environment and he won't last too long. you take some of the best team players and throw them in an easy settings one on one and they may not be that good in that environment.

Also being good at this game is a "perishable skill". you have to fly every day to keep your skills and reflexes. Since this game is so old now there's always a guy that will have more time and better conditions to practice, or have more enthusiasm for this old game.

So I'd say practice and try to be as good as you can, but if you always try to compare yourself with others, this game can become unnecessary frustrating, unpleasant and stressful. You'll spend a lot of time with a lot of egomaniac cocky pri c k s. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

You'll miss the beauty and fun of this game.

It can be more fun surviving a late war sortie in a beat up Stuka then shooting down ten enemy planes.

Divine-Wind
11-24-2008, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
It can be more fun surviving a late war sortie in a beat up Stuka then shooting down ten enemy planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And if you do happen to shoot down someone in a broken Stuka, well, it's just that much more awesome. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Buzzsaw-
11-24-2008, 02:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris0382:
My biggest weakness in this game is not being able to spot my enemy from far.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That usually is a combination of either a less than optimal computer, or resolution settings which are too fine.

Depending on the resolution you select, the dots which represent enemy aircraft at long range will be less or more apparent.

Obviously if you are running 800 X 600, the minimum size of a pixel is going to be larger than if you are running 1600 X 1200.

Obviously there is a tradeoff here, between eye candy and combat effectiveness, but sometimes going to a lower resolution can improve your chances of spotting that aircraft 10k away.

Larger dots are easier to see.

In addition, those with the latest state of the art computers, maxed out on all the settings, get an image with more gradiations in colouring and shadowing. This makes it easier for the player to spot a low aircraft silhouetted against similarly coloured ground terrain.

Optimally, we all have the latest and greatest, for those who don't, its a compromise. I would suggest experimenting with a number of different settings, and see what works for you, both aesthetically and functionally.

WTE_Galway
11-24-2008, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/comicfighterplane1.png </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Dux .. the harmonization of the guns on that blue guy is atrocious ... its amazing he can hit anything

WP_Lobo
11-24-2008, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
Depending on the resolution you select, the dots which represent enemy aircraft at long range will be less or more apparent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
+1

I run my 1920x1200 monitor at 1280x800, and spot things far earlier than I used to.

SeaFireLIV
11-24-2008, 04:35 PM
I actually spend more time protecting my squad m8s (and non squadm8s) than trying to be the `Ace`. Often they get the kills and few realise it was because someone was always protecting their 6.

That`s what you need to understand. It`s not all about killing.

Treetop64
11-24-2008, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CRSutton:
Invade your neighbor's lands. Kill all of his menfolk, enslave his women, eat his children, then sow his soil with salt. Continue to do this-always expanding in ambition and scope. Have 12 sons, then murder all of your male heirs and marry the girls off to minor foreign potentates who will submit to your demands. Send your fist wife to a convent, hang the second for sedtion, then draw and quarter the third just to insult her emasculated family. Build a super army, pay them well and then unleash them on weaker powers as an example to the rest of the world. Destroy and torture those that do not submit to your will. Surround yourself with lackeys, bootlicks and murderous henchmen that will do you bidding and support your reign of terror. Then, invite (force) the Pope to come to your capital and bless you while you place the crown upon you own head and proclaim yourslelf "supreme master". Finally build a great palace in......... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Words to live by, my friend. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

WTE_Galway
11-24-2008, 09:01 PM
if you want some serious advice ...

join a squad and turn up for regular training without fail

M_Gunz
11-24-2008, 09:06 PM
It's one way to not get killed so often especially when the servers you visit are not 100% lone wulf populated.
It's probably a big mystery to some of those who only fly alone just how and why they keep getting whacked.

rnzoli
11-25-2008, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/comicfighterplane1.png </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Dux .. the harmonization of the guns on that blue guy is atrocious ... its amazing he can hit anything </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It doesn't matter because he has got a bad case of target fixation anyway, and he is going to crash in the next second. Especially if he has poor elevator authority.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Crazy_Goanna
11-25-2008, 09:39 PM
Use the FORCE , Grasshopper