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stalkervision
09-01-2009, 01:17 PM
F/T .. Fuel tanks?

I can't find out if they did! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Does anyone know? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
09-01-2009, 01:17 PM
F/T .. Fuel tanks?

I can't find out if they did! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Does anyone know? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mr_Zooly
09-01-2009, 01:21 PM
Fortunately by the start of the Battle of Britain in 1939 the RAF was in possession of over 497 improved Mk.I's, these were now fitted with a Rotol or deHavilland constant-speed metal propeller, ejector exhaust stacks, armour for the pilot, self sealing fuel tanks, electric starters and stressed duraluminium-skined wings.
It would seem so.

stalkervision
09-01-2009, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
Fortunately by the start of the Battle of Britain in 1939 the RAF was in possession of over 497 improved Mk.I's, these were now fitted with a Rotol or deHavilland constant-speed metal propeller, ejector exhaust stacks, armour for the pilot, self sealing fuel tanks, electric starters and stressed duraluminium-skined wings.
It would seem so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Prove it please.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Got any documentation? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I can't find any.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Just about the ss/tanks.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


why you ask? It's important.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

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arthursmedley
09-01-2009, 01:35 PM
The Hurricanes main wing tanks were self- sealing but the 28 gallon reserve tank fitted between cockpit and engine was not. Hence the guinea pig club http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
09-01-2009, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arthursmedley:
The Hurricanes main wing tanks were self- sealing but the 28 gallon reserve tank fitted between cockpit and engine was not. Hence the guinea pig club http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I wish I had used my 20 mm cannon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Bet they wouldn't be "self sealing" for long.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

btw the Spits lower fuel tanks isn't self sealing either. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Kurfurst__
09-01-2009, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
Fortunately by the start of the Battle of Britain in 1939 the RAF was in possession of over 497 improved Mk.I's, these were now fitted with a Rotol or deHavilland constant-speed metal propeller, ejector exhaust stacks, armour for the pilot, self sealing fuel tanks, electric starters and stressed duraluminium-skined wings.
It would seem so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why the heck was there a crash programme starting in June 1940 to refit Spits and Hurris with CSPs, and fitting over 1000 of them by mid-August? And why do they report only a couple of Hurri Sqns as of 10 May 1940 to have been fitted with cocpit armor, most still waiting to be fitted with armor, and none of the Spit Sqns reported to be fitted yet? BoB in 1939... looks like m8 you've been fooled by the dark voids of the internet! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
09-01-2009, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
Fortunately by the start of the Battle of Britain in 1939 the RAF was in possession of over 497 improved Mk.I's, these were now fitted with a Rotol or deHavilland constant-speed metal propeller, ejector exhaust stacks, armour for the pilot, self sealing fuel tanks, electric starters and stressed duraluminium-skined wings.
It would seem so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why the heck was there a crash programme starting in June 1940 to refit Spits and Hurris with CSPs, and fitting over 1000 of them by mid-August? And why do they report only a couple of Hurri Sqns as of 10 May 1940 to have been fitted with cocpit armor, most still waiting to be fitted with armor, and none of the Spit Sqns reported to be fitted yet? BoB in 1939... looks like m8 you've been fooled by the dark voids of the internet! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

got any info on the Hurricanes SS/tanks Kurf? I can't find it for that period? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Kurfurst__
09-01-2009, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:

got any info on the Hurricanes SS/tanks Kurf? I can't find it for that period? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not much off the top of my head, but perhaps I can find something... what I know is that on the Spits one of the (top or the bottom) fuel tanks was self sealing, the other was, however, not due to space issues.

stalkervision
09-01-2009, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:

got any info on the Hurricanes SS/tanks Kurf? I can't find it for that period? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not much off the top of my head, but perhaps I can find something... what I know is that on the Spits one of the (top or the bottom) fuel tanks was self sealing, the other was, however, not due to space issues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Kurf. I haven't found anything yet.

Waldo.Pepper
09-01-2009, 04:20 PM
The centre tank was eventually improved into a self sealing tank as well as the other tanks. But not at the start of the BofB.

When attacking Luftwaffe bombers, it was discovered that the Hurricane's fuel tanks were vulnerable to defensive machine gun fire. The greatest hazard was with the unprotected gravity-feed fuel tank in front of the cockpit which could rupture when hit, allowing a jet of flame to penetrate the cockpit through the instrument panel, causing serious burn injuries
to the pilot.

...

This issue was of such concern to Air Vice Marshal Hugh Dowding that he had Hawker retrofit the fuselage tanks of Hurricanes with a fire-resistant material called "Linatex" as a matter of priority. The wing tanks had already been fitted with a covering of this sealant, but the fuselage tank was considered to be too small a target. Hurricanes were soon being modified at the rate of 75 per month. In one month of combat, 10 July 1940 to 11 August, defensive fire from bombers hit 25 Hurricanes and 25 Spitfires; as a result 11 Hurricanes were shot down compared with two Spitfires.

The Most Dangerous Enemy: a History of the Battle of Britain, pp 196-198, 266-267

I myself benefited from the Guinea Pig club. When I five years of age in 1967 I had plastic surgery on my left knee. Without this I would not have been able to bend my knee.

gizmo60
09-01-2009, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arthursmedley:
The Hurricanes main wing tanks were self- sealing but the 28 gallon reserve tank fitted between cockpit and engine was not. Hence the guinea pig club http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Sorry but I don't understand the humour here.

stalkervision
09-01-2009, 04:53 PM
very interesting waldow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
09-01-2009, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gizmo60:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arthursmedley:
The Hurricanes main wing tanks were self- sealing but the 28 gallon reserve tank fitted between cockpit and engine was not. Hence the guinea pig club http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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Sorry but I don't understand the humour here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


sorry for not being more serious. Yes it was bad of course.

Xiolablu3
09-02-2009, 06:28 AM
I dont understand why not, surely a covering of thick fire resistant rubber style material (is the such a material in 1940?) would help a lot with fuel leaks.

stalkervision
09-02-2009, 06:49 AM
I just am not sure when this was all implemented. Lot's of rushed improvements to the Hurricane and Spitfire were being done at the time to make the aircraft more combat worthy in the face of war. I just wonder how much was accomplished before and during BOB.

stalkervision
09-02-2009, 06:52 AM
I have found out that it wasn't recommended to use the fuel tanks pressurization system in the Hurrican at over 20,000 unless absolutely needed because of the risk of the tanks self sealing feature not working right.

WOLFMondo
09-02-2009, 08:11 AM
Source?