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pauldun171
05-29-2005, 05:38 PM
P-38 vs Ki-61 Dedicated server on hyperlobby.

Full Real with Minimap and speedbar on Okinawa map.

He-111 and A-20 tossed in for ground pounding / anti shipping.

If I can figure out the whole scripting thing I'll do rotating match-ups featuring P-38.

pauldun171
05-29-2005, 05:38 PM
P-38 vs Ki-61 Dedicated server on hyperlobby.

Full Real with Minimap and speedbar on Okinawa map.

He-111 and A-20 tossed in for ground pounding / anti shipping.

If I can figure out the whole scripting thing I'll do rotating match-ups featuring P-38.

VW-IceFire
05-29-2005, 06:18 PM
That could be dangerous...the poor Ki-61 is woefully slow compared to the P-38. But nonetheless, potentially interesting.

Plane lineups could be:
USAAF
P-38J
P-39D-2
P-40E
P-40N
B-25
A-20

IJAAF
Ki-43a/b/c
Ki-61-Ko
Ki-61-Otsu
G4M (not a IJAAF bomber but it would fit)

It may also make sense to include the A6M3 and the D3A as options to the Japanese side.

Feathered_IV
05-29-2005, 07:59 PM
Sounds great. Reserve a Hein for me!

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fordfan25
05-29-2005, 09:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pauldun171:
P-38 vs Ki-61 Dedicated server on hyperlobby.

Full Real with Minimap and speedbar on Okinawa map.

He-111 and A-20 tossed in for ground pounding / anti shipping.

If I can figure out the whole scripting thing I'll do rotating match-ups featuring P-38. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

super awsome. speed vs turn. sounds like a realistic match up 4 once http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
05-29-2005, 09:08 PM
is that going to be the name of the server by the way. also whens it up?

pauldun171
05-29-2005, 10:02 PM
It's been up all day on Hyperlobby. Unfortunately has'nt had any takers.
Zero activity....

fordfan25
05-29-2005, 10:06 PM
i just looked but could not find it anywear??? is the name p-38 vs ki-61?

pauldun171
05-29-2005, 10:06 PM
I'd like to keep the Allied side strictly P-38 (with either B-25, Beaufighter, A-20 as air to ground)

As for opponents, I'm planning to do more variation if the server get's used.

fordfan25
05-29-2005, 10:09 PM
i cant find the dang thing or thats wear id be lol

p-38 does ground better than almost any thing else anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

pauldun171
05-29-2005, 10:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
i just looked but could not find it anywear??? is the name p-38 vs ki-61? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just restarted it. Check now...invite friends

fordfan25
05-29-2005, 11:54 PM
servers a blast man. keep it up 24/7. Ill start pimping it for you every chance i get

ElAurens
05-30-2005, 12:16 AM
Thanks, it has the makings of something good.

Take some time and flesh out the details a bit. (More ground objects...less intense flak)

And add the Ki100 when it comes on the scene.

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JG53Frankyboy
05-30-2005, 12:32 AM
yes, Ki-100 vs P-38L late , poor japanese http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
05-30-2005, 09:30 AM
You should try flying Japanese once in a while. You might learn a thing or two. Little things like E management, shot placement, humility...

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Buzzsaw-
05-30-2005, 09:49 AM
Salute

Unfortunately, the Ki-61 is one of the more undermodelled aircraft in the sim, most particularly in its turnrate.

JG53Frankyboy
05-30-2005, 09:49 AM
i fly japanese a lot.
im building the pacific campaign for VOW2 mostly alone.
i flew the Ki100 vs human controled P-38L late in the last beta.

i think i know what im talking about

LEBillfish
05-30-2005, 03:57 PM
Ki-61 vs P38 is probably the most appropriate matchup yet....Very late 43 PNG of the 5th airforce groups like the 80th HeadHunters vs. the 68th & 78th HikoSentai of the 14th air brigade.

Ki-61 Ko for me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

fordfan25
05-30-2005, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
Salute

Unfortunately, the Ki-61 is one of the more undermodelled aircraft in the sim, most particularly in its turnrate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

if it turned any fast it would eat its own butt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
05-30-2005, 06:33 PM
Ki61 vs. P38 is indeed a historically correct matchup, and a very difficult one for the Kawasaki pilot. The Ki61 can dive with the P38 and out turn it, but the Lightening can extend or climb away at will. If caught unaware the P38 can be dealt with, if you make your first shots count. If not you have to hope that the P38 pilot makes some tactical error, or that you can score some hits in a critical spot and damage it enough to gain advantage. Kills made by the Ki61 are very gratifying because thay are so well earned.

I don't feel the Ki61 is undermodeled in terms of it's turnrate, but it's speed is suspiciously low. It should have a definite advantage on the P40, which it does not have in our little game.

pauldun171
05-30-2005, 08:56 PM
Added ground targets...
Killed "automatically check for updates" on various programs that caused spikes.

So far been fun..
Properly flown P-38's are annoying to fight against. They just pull away at will, head ons are a no-no. Ki-61's have to and I mean HAVE to have altitude before entering the fight and then they can dominate. Since the P-38's can't dive away from the Ki-61 the best bet for the P-38's against Ki-s with advantage is run for the clouds and get the Ki to follow. Then it's a matter of run and climb.


I was thinking of added some Zero's or Ki-43's but they are just so outclassed.

JG53Frankyboy
05-30-2005, 09:03 PM
adding other fighters are ruin such a plane specified server.
you could have 3 time frames:
1. P-38J - Ki-61Ko&Otsu
2. P-38L - Ki-61Hei
3. P-38L late - Ki-100-Ko

and than A-20s and G4M1s for torpedo attack

fordfan25
05-30-2005, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pauldun171:
Added ground targets...
Killed "automatically check for updates" on various programs that caused spikes.

So far been fun..
Properly flown P-38's are annoying to fight against. They just pull away at will, head ons are a no-no. Ki-61's have to and I mean HAVE to have altitude before entering the fight and then they can dominate. Since the P-38's can't dive away from the Ki-61 the best bet for the P-38's against Ki-s with advantage is run for the clouds and get the Ki to follow. Then it's a matter of run and climb.


I was thinking of added some Zero's or Ki-43's but they are just so outclassed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yea nice job sneaking up on me tonight man. i had no idea you were back there lol. i was limping home with flak filling my back side and thought i had lost you so i throttled down to kool my plane and WAM. naturly the first thing to go was my aliron controles lol. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
05-31-2005, 05:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
you could have 3 time frames:
1. P-38J - Ki-61Ko&Otsu
2. P-38L - Ki-61Hei
3. P-38L late - Ki-100-Ko

and than A-20s and G4M1s for torpedo attack </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe the timeframes for the KIs as listed in the game are incorrect, but, aside from that most marks of Ki61 served concurrently with the newer models as time went on. And I believe that the Otsu should be the newest model. And the KI61s served untill the end of the war, as there were never enough Ki100s to go around. I'm sure Billfish can confirm this one way or the other.

JG53Frankyboy
05-31-2005, 07:49 AM
well, Ko (means A)and Otsu (means B) very roughly of the same period.

Prototype of Hien flew December 41.
the model was accepted by the Army for frontline use late 43 ( in august the 13. plane in total was build - the first one with serial production tooling).
fist deliveries were in february 43 to the 23.Chutai that acted as pilot conversion unit.
April 43 the 64. & 78. Sentai reached the shores of NEwGuinea over Rabaul and saw there first combat action.

the Ki-61-Hei (meins C) , was "only" a weapon modification. it got german MG151/20 in its wings- 800 guns were delivers in total, 388 Hiens were modified. should reach combat around december 43.

these 3 variants made the half of the Ki-61-I produktion.
the other half is unfortunatly missing in game, the Ki-61-Tei (means D)-production begin in january 1944.
this plane got modifications for better maintenance , had a longer fuselage between engine and wings , had japanese 20mm canons in fuselage and heavy MGs in wings ( like the later Ki-100).
and there were some few Ki-61 with 30mm canons.

a Ki-61-II is only a "wet" dream for the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
it would not have its enginetroubles like in real and would perform very good !
only ~ 99 were completed before an US bombstrike destroyed its engine factory - so the Ki-100 was born , a Ki-61-II fuselage with a reliable radial engine

the first Ki-100 flew at the 1.February 1945.

btw, the namegiving in game of these planevariants is only one variant you can find in books/internet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEBillfish
05-31-2005, 10:16 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/hien-black.gif

Actually the "Hien" or Swallow as it was affectionately named by the public, Tony by those misunderstanding it came as we have it for the most part in only one version that being the Ki-61-I....Ia, Ib, Ic very minor armament changes only, Ko, Otsu, Hei meaning respectively Engine/Mission Change (in this case from the "heavy" Ki-60 fighter and institution of the Ha-40 Japanese engine and how it mounted as it attached to the fusalage/cowling which cradled it vs. connecting rods), an armament/engine/mission change (in this case 12.7 guns in the wings) and further armament changes (addition of German Mauser 151/20 cannons), or a,b,c,d as stated above (sadly there are about all things Hien numerous varied answers so which is correct I can't say).

The Ki-61-Ia was manufactured till September 43 having the 7.7 wing guns. These are what the very first two groups to fly the Hien took from Japan to Rabual, them being the 68th & 78th HikoSentai, 14th Hik├┬┤dan, 7th Hik├┬┤shidan, 4th K├┬┤kűgun (68th & 78th Fighter Regiments/Squadrons, 14th Flying Brigade, 7th Flying Division, 4th Air Army).

However, due to massive losses due to pilots unfamiliar with large water navigation and numerous malfunctions, many were lost in transit to Rabual with arrivals there being late April-May for the 68th, late May-June the 78th.

Replacement aircraft arriving came in the form of some 1a, then manufacturing in September 43 shifted to 1b & 1c production so all further replacements were those the 7.7 guns abandoned.

As to 1c or Hei aircraft, many were actually on site conversions of the 68th & 78th planes. The numbers I'm not sure of yet, however, 1a & 1b Ki-61 were refit in the field with the 151/20 Mauser which entailed reinforcing the wing mounting points for the shock and "probably" larger round magazines. The additional strengthening also allowed for the "addition" of the bomb/fuel mounts. Factory manufactured 1c aircraft also had fire extinguisher systems added.

Bomb/fuel racks "may" have been retrofitted in the field as well.

Changes in weight on all aircraft is simply due to the extra weight of the larger guns and heavier ammo.

The 1d/Tei we do not have. It included a simplification of most internal systems (probably when the venturi you see on the left cowling was added), and a lengthening of the fusalage by 19cm to balance the aircraft as they removed the retractable tailwheel making it fixed and also made the entire tail removable for service and replacement. It also utilized Japanese built 20mm cannons.

The Ki-61-II Kai (or radical structural change) was an entirely different beast in many regards including engine to the Ha-140....and the Ki-100 built upon it.....Meaning, swap out the nose of Ki-100's and we have Kai http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Ki-61 we have didn't exist or were few in late Japan simply due to attrition...There are pictures of fusalages sitting around hidden in forests and in the plants waiting for the engines...When the plant that made them was destroyed it was never rebuilt.

Our Ki-61's here have many errors. There should be NO fixed tailwheels, no bomb racks on early models, no venturi on any, fire extinguishers on Hei, running lights are wrong and too large, numerous panel line errors etc.

Still my fav http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ElAurens
05-31-2005, 11:01 AM
Thanks Billfish.

The bomb racks have been a big question for me from the start, although I'm glad they are there.

The II Kai would be a real monster if put in the game. The Ha 140 engine was rated at 1380 hp for takeoff, 1320 hp at military power at 5500 ft, and 1440 hp at war emergency power at 5700 ft.

The TAIC estimate of top speed was 423 mph with WEP at 28,000 ft.

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AerialTarget
05-31-2005, 02:58 PM
Oho, the Ki-61 is the most undermodelled plane in the game, is it? What about the poor P-38?

pauldun171
05-31-2005, 03:03 PM
The P-38 may or may not be undermodelled, but against bombers, Ki-61's and Zero's it owns.

AerialTarget
05-31-2005, 03:07 PM
That's true. Although I don't know about Ki-61, I just love encountering Zeroes. Little flying targets, they are!

I'm going to remake my old Forgotten Battles mission for the House of Odin in which the Americans have all of their planes except for the P-51 and the P-63. The opposition only have those German and Japanse planes which all aircraft in the American plane selection can compete with. It turned out to be a rather small selection! The Japanese only got the Zeroes, and the Germans got the FW-190s and about half of the Me-109s. The G-6 with boost was the first to go. I think I ended up with G-2, G-6, and K-4. I'll have to do more testing to see if the G-10 and G-14 are superior to the American airplanes or not.

pauldun171
05-31-2005, 06:03 PM
Until I get the scripting thing going, I'll have to manually restart it...

Server restarted