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jamesdietz
05-15-2007, 08:44 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/shot_001.jpg

The new patch is quite wonderful-the combination of all previous patches & the new things addressed in this one have resulted in some really stunning improvements.The aircraft look better ,they appear better in middle distance,the AI guys fly better ( although those 110 guys are probably more agile than their real life models...)gun effects look good and the landscape just gets better.I was really happy with the new water effects...far more convincing than the previous glass sheet look..it even appears to have subtle wave action ( or am I being deceived by small reflections?
I play with both the Track IR3 Vector & Buttkicker & I must say these perform better with BoBII than in IL-2 varients ( much as I love that sim..)
The "leaning effects "are more immersive & the engine sounds are just wonderful.The buttkicker really works well & you can tell the diffeence with the cockpit open & closed-that's a great combination of both & of course a FFB joystick.
Its difficult to believe this is the same sim that originally came out...so much has been improved..I'm still itching for slightly better light effects on aircraft & better exterior modelling on the 110 & maybe gunners too...but for now the sim is just great!
Don't get me wrong I'm a confirmed Il-2 guy,but there are some things that BoB does better...The ideal combination would incorporate the best of both...maybe that's what we'll get in Pleg's SoW BoB?
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/shot_000.jpg

jamesdietz
05-15-2007, 08:44 AM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/shot_001.jpg

The new patch is quite wonderful-the combination of all previous patches & the new things addressed in this one have resulted in some really stunning improvements.The aircraft look better ,they appear better in middle distance,the AI guys fly better ( although those 110 guys are probably more agile than their real life models...)gun effects look good and the landscape just gets better.I was really happy with the new water effects...far more convincing than the previous glass sheet look..it even appears to have subtle wave action ( or am I being deceived by small reflections?
I play with both the Track IR3 Vector & Buttkicker & I must say these perform better with BoBII than in IL-2 varients ( much as I love that sim..)
The "leaning effects "are more immersive & the engine sounds are just wonderful.The buttkicker really works well & you can tell the diffeence with the cockpit open & closed-that's a great combination of both & of course a FFB joystick.
Its difficult to believe this is the same sim that originally came out...so much has been improved..I'm still itching for slightly better light effects on aircraft & better exterior modelling on the 110 & maybe gunners too...but for now the sim is just great!
Don't get me wrong I'm a confirmed Il-2 guy,but there are some things that BoB does better...The ideal combination would incorporate the best of both...maybe that's what we'll get in Pleg's SoW BoB?
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/shot_000.jpg

Superluminal_8
05-15-2007, 08:54 AM
Maybe they should pimp MIG Alley too.

mbfRoy
05-15-2007, 08:55 AM
That water surely looks crappy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BrotherVoodoo
05-15-2007, 09:01 AM
I have had this game for at least a year or more but with the bugs I was never able to play it. With this patch I am truly enjoying the BoB experience. The 6d0f for the TIR is something to behold and the single player experience is really well done IMO. Well worth 20$ I got mine off of ebay for around 10 bucks.

crazyivan1970
05-15-2007, 09:01 AM
http://i10.tinypic.com/6ceufiw.jpg


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

John_Wayne_
05-15-2007, 09:03 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/BobWater.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

JG52Uther
05-15-2007, 09:05 AM
Hmmm pretty sure American carriers did not appear in the BoB Ivan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

(Please remind Oleg of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

mbfRoy
05-15-2007, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Wayne_:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/BobWater.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That must be the sexchsay static water that only reflects clouds even when there aren't. A masterpiece indeed!

John_Wayne_
05-15-2007, 09:16 AM
Shockwave's tinfoil or Oleg's black mollasses. You pays your money and takes your choice.

Nice water in MTW2. Still waiting for a definative gameplay mod there though.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
05-15-2007, 09:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Hmmm pretty sure American carriers did not appear in the BoB Ivan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

(Please remind Oleg of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

trumper
05-15-2007, 11:36 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Please don't forget that the bdg guys and the beta testers are all parttime and do it for the love.They don't have a room full of full time coders using the most up to date equipment.
Credit where credit is due.

leitmotiv
05-15-2007, 02:03 PM
Heh, heh, that mountain lake texture is no advertisement for PF---being a California Boy, that looks about as much like the majestic Pacific as a backyard pool. Plus---sticking an ESSEX with a four-piper is about as incongrous as putting a formation of B-17Gs at 25,000 feet with an escort of I-153s.

BSS_Sniper
05-15-2007, 02:21 PM
I decided to give it a try and I am pleased, except for one thing. Every time I click fly, EVERY plane is on fire, including mine! lol Anyone know whats going on?

leitmotiv
05-15-2007, 02:25 PM
Ye cats! Go here for render aid!

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1...e257574a07a9d07d8b6b (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=926d22717012e257574a07a9d07d8b6b)

BillyTheKid_22
05-15-2007, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Wayne_:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/BobWater.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Great nice!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Huxley_S
05-15-2007, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Please don't forget that the bdg guys and the beta testers are all parttime and do it for the love.They don't have a room full of full time coders using the most up to date equipment.
Credit where credit is due. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BoBII is not freeware, it costs $20 which admittedly is not a lot of money, but then you can pick up a copy of Pacific Fighters at retail for $10 these days.

Because of that, while giving kudos to the developers for their contribution there are many things about BoBII that deserve criticism. The main one that these is that update patches are not adding new features, but simply fixing things that have been broken for quite some time.

Graphically, it still doesn't make the grade IMO. Planes look too 'chubby', lighting effects minimal, land textures are ugly and water is 'blocky'.

By the time patches have been released to improve on these things, SoW:BoB will be out.

leitmotiv
05-15-2007, 03:01 PM
Have you tried it or have you looked at screenshots?

Huxley_S
05-15-2007, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Have you tried it or have you looked at screenshots? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got it but I haven't downloaded the latest patch yet, mainly because it means updating DirectX but also because the screenshots being posted don't seem to have changed the look of the game much.

leitmotiv
05-15-2007, 03:11 PM
Take a dekko at this thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8861056855

BSS_Sniper
05-15-2007, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
I decided to give it a try and I am pleased, except for one thing. Every time I click fly, EVERY plane is on fire, including mine! lol Anyone know whats going on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone help?

Huxley_S
05-15-2007, 05:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Have you tried it or have you looked at screenshots? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Downloaded the patch and... er... perhaps I was a bit hasty. There are lots of graphical improvements and the screenshots that were posted do not do it justice at all.

The aircraft feel much more real than before.

I'm genuinely impressed!

buddye1
05-15-2007, 10:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
I decided to give it a try and I am pleased, except for one thing. Every time I click fly, EVERY plane is on fire, including mine! lol Anyone know whats going on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone help? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I think you can run the self-installer again and select "realistic tracers" and that should clear up the problem. If not please repost and I will track it down for you.

leitmotiv
05-16-2007, 12:15 AM
Glad you gave it a chance, H!

christopher65
05-16-2007, 01:28 AM
Just got it, installed no probs but when go to fly just a 3 or 4 colour crappy looking block world, installed Dirext whatever it was - is that the prob?? Would like to persevere but dont know what to do!! Still a loyal FB man though!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Feathered_IV
05-16-2007, 02:13 AM
Hmmm. What is the patch sequence to get things going? Is it just the 206 and thats all, or are there other intermediate ones to put in first? I tried it last night but couldn't get past the ocean-view mission load screen (loading bar didn't show up either). I went away and came back in an hour but it was still the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Had to restart the computer to get out too. Not sure what I'm doing wrong...

major_setback
05-16-2007, 02:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmmm. What is the patch sequence to get things going? Is it just the 206 and thats all, or are there other intermediate ones to put in first? I tried it last night but couldn't get past the ocean-view mission load screen (loading bar didn't show up either). I went away and came back in an hour but it was still the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Had to restart the computer to get out too. Not sure what I'm doing wrong... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure it says as you install the patch that it includes all updates until now, no need to install anything else. Unless you want the Multi-skin pack which will install after 2.06, and give you extra skins (at the bottom of this page):

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/bob/bob206.htm

Are you sure you installed over WoV and not over the original Rowans BoB?
Also you need the new DirectX update (see the link above).

major_setback
05-16-2007, 02:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Have you tried it or have you looked at screenshots? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Downloaded the patch and... er... perhaps I was a bit hasty. There are lots of graphical improvements and the screenshots that were posted do not do it justice at all.

The aircraft feel much more real than before.

I'm genuinely impressed! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nice to see you were willing to try it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


To others: There's nothing to lose if you already have it lying around.

I must say that I haven't flown in this sim much before, didn't even get past the training excercises. i found it impossible to bind the view controls to my satisfaction. This is still a problem for me, just need to sort it out though.

I recommend trying the 'Historic' missions that are in the same section as the 'training' missions. There are aircraft all over the place, and you get (at least some I've tried) easy air starts.

stalkervision
05-16-2007, 04:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">'Historic' missions </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup Historic missions are the way to go to get a real taste for the game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Worf101
05-16-2007, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmmm. What is the patch sequence to get things going? Is it just the 206 and thats all, or are there other intermediate ones to put in first? I tried it last night but couldn't get past the ocean-view mission load screen (loading bar didn't show up either). I went away and came back in an hour but it was still the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Had to restart the computer to get out too. Not sure what I'm doing wrong... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure it says as you install the patch that it includes all updates until now, no need to install anything else. Unless you want the Multi-skin pack which will install after 2.06, and give you extra skins (at the bottom of this page):

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/bob/bob206.htm

Are you sure you installed over WoV and not over the original Rowans BoB?
Also you need the new DirectX update (see the link above). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you answered my question. I gave up trying to get this thing to run on my rig over a year ago. I'll try it again now and see what happens. I'll load it, patch it and skin it and see if I can finally get off the ground.

Da Worfster...

If it works Lemotiv can finally come out of hiding LOL...

leitmotiv
05-16-2007, 09:24 AM
Herf, herf. Don't fergit latest Direct X and video drivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a last resort try BOBII tech help forum here:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1...206874203794a192aabe (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=8a9c8cae71e5206874203794a192aabe)

GOOD LUCK, WORF!

jamesdietz
05-16-2007, 09:34 AM
WORF-I had the no start problem from game menu ( was stuck looking at that Channel photo forever)until it was suggested to me to temporarily disable my various Spy/Virus-blocker programs when I played ...then it worked like a charm with much much faster start from the game menu...try it -it worked for me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

HuninMunin
05-16-2007, 09:35 AM
You shure wont regret it once it works.
Every landing a hard test - try landing the 109 in bad weather; it's possibly the most difficult thing I ever managed to do in my flight sim life ( besides figuring out how exactly the F-15's radar works in Lomac http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif ).

Worf101
05-16-2007, 09:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Herf, herf. Don't fergit latest Direct X and video drivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a last resort try BOBII tech help forum here:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1...206874203794a192aabe (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=8a9c8cae71e5206874203794a192aabe)

GOOD LUCK, WORF! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
"Herf Herf"? What language is that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Man, this is part of the reason why I love this forum and this game. We have great openminded, friendly people abound here and it's such a friggin' change of pace to some boards I frequent. I do love you folks.!!!

Da Worfster

leitmotiv
05-16-2007, 09:40 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
05-16-2007, 03:27 PM
If only it had multiplayer. I know some dont care but Shockwave could do themselves a huge favor by adding it to their next sim.

B16Enk
05-16-2007, 04:25 PM
Just for giggles (well nearly) I recorded using fraps a snippet of a mission.

I hadn't fully set up my controls etc (TiR needs taming and I am clueless as to what key does what) but this demonstrates the sounds and visuals some what.

Turn the volume up and enjoy the Merlin, and wince at the sound of impacts from that 109 on my 6, and the sound of the Flak...

Encoded with Divx:
http://www.dangerdogz.com/joomla/dmdocuments/bob_wov.avi

Huxley_S
05-16-2007, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">TiR needs taming and I am clueless as to what key does what </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you come up with a TIR taming solution for BoBII please post one. At the moment my head is all over the place.

faustnik
05-16-2007, 04:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmmm. What is the patch sequence to get things going? Is it just the 206 and thats all, or are there other intermediate ones to put in first? I tried it last night but couldn't get past the ocean-view mission load screen (loading bar didn't show up either). I went away and came back in an hour but it was still the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Had to restart the computer to get out too. Not sure what I'm doing wrong... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Intalled from CD, then pathced. It used to at least run. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

baronWastelan
05-16-2007, 05:25 PM
I've been enjoying 2.06 for the past 6 weeks. Mostly all I do is practice take-offs and landings in the Spitfire and Hurricane to enjoy the sounds and the FM. The 109 is too aggravating because there aren't any shock absorbers in the landing gear!

stalkervision
05-16-2007, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by baronWastelan:
I've been enjoying 2.06 for the past 6 weeks. Mostly all I do is practice take-offs and landings in the Spitfire and Hurricane to enjoy the sounds and the FM. The 109 is too aggravating because there aren't any shock absorbers in the landing gear! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you trying with a ff stick? The I know what you mean! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

she's a sweet ride fighting in the vertical agains't spits though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
05-16-2007, 06:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmmm. What is the patch sequence to get things going? Is it just the 206 and thats all, or are there other intermediate ones to put in first? I tried it last night but couldn't get past the ocean-view mission load screen (loading bar didn't show up either). I went away and came back in an hour but it was still the same http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Had to restart the computer to get out too. Not sure what I'm doing wrong... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Intalled from CD, then pathced. It used to at least run. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You poor poor guys. The game is truly outstanding now! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Better talk to the shockwave experts about it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif They are a great help! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

faustnik
05-16-2007, 06:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
You poor poor guys. The game is truly outstanding now! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Better talk to the shockwave experts about it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif They are a great help! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I've found some stuff to try on the tech board. The wierd thing is that it used to work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

leitmotiv
05-16-2007, 06:17 PM
Here is the link to the BOBII Technical Forum:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1...1c3e885eebd7c7384e31 (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=8c86d91908af1c3e885eebd7c7384e31)

Wish I could help, but I was unable to run 2.05, and I solved my own problem purely by muddling through, ditto for 2.06. Not technical, sorry.

HuninMunin
05-17-2007, 02:12 AM
What I love most about this game is that it makes me aware of the strengths and weaknesses of '46 aswell ( besides beeing a whole lot of fun on it's own).
The obvious things might be sound and campaign, but even little details continue to impress the heck outa me when playing BoB II.
The 109 actually feels right - the power, the great controll over every inch of this sleek, deadly machine.
And whats most important in terms of FM:
The airplanes seem right in relation to eachother - a thing you don't always get with '46.
If you take it on with a Spit or a 109 you really notice how close those fighters are - how you automaticaly start to behave like the real pilots did to counter the enemy.
The air to air marksmanship is one of the real strong points of BoB II over '46 IMO - it is damned hard to hit anything when you come from IL-2 the first time.
Shure, I won't give up the Hyperlobby and UKded - but BoB has grown to be a real alternative.

Feathered_IV
05-17-2007, 04:06 AM
Registered at shockwave to access the help forum. It says you need to wait for an admin to manually let you join. Doing background checks maybe? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

leitmotiv
05-17-2007, 05:23 AM
AGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

trumper
05-17-2007, 05:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Registered at shockwave to access the help forum. It says you need to wait for an admin to manually let you join. Doing background checks maybe? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Shockwave have had problems registering at times so i will point this thread out to them to make sure they know about it.
I suspect Buddye or SeeVee will read this thread at somepoint as well.
Hang in there the Sim really is worth having on your H/D,as well as F/B http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 06:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think Shockwave have had problems registering at times so i will point this thread out to them to make sure they know about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, I had to email someone on there to get in. Didn't take but a day though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

OHH-GA-Chaka.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
05-17-2007, 07:42 AM
BOBwov 2.06 is really very good. Since my home move I`ve lost my net and have looked for immersion offline since I can`t do online.

BOBwov really makes the grade here. The AI is also excellent. The oddities in 2.05 and before appear gone.

To be honest this is what BOBwov should`ve been out of the box like 2 years ago. They need to make a new flashy re-release imho.

It gives IL2 a real good run and I reckon beats it offline for immersion, but with Oleg`s BOB due I wonder if it will remain that way?

Ratsack
05-17-2007, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Heh, heh, that mountain lake texture is no advertisement for PF---being a California Boy, that looks about as much like the majestic Pacific as a backyard pool. ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes!! I hate that glassy lake effect. It is utterly inappropriate.

cheers,
Ratsack

leitmotiv
05-17-2007, 08:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
What I love most about this game is that it makes me aware of the strengths and weaknesses of '46 aswell ( besides beeing a whole lot of fun on it's own).
The obvious things might be sound and campaign, but even little details continue to impress the heck outa me when playing BoB II.
The 109 actually feels right - the power, the great controll over every inch of this sleek, deadly machine.
And whats most important in terms of FM:
The airplanes seem right in relation to eachother - a thing you don't always get with '46.
If you take it on with a Spit or a 109 you really notice how close those fighters are - how you automaticaly start to behave like the real pilots did to counter the enemy.
The air to air marksmanship is one of the real strong points of BoB II over '46 IMO - it is damned hard to hit anything when you come from IL-2 the first time.
Shure, I won't give up the Hyperlobby and UKded - but BoB has grown to be a real alternative. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Completely concur.

BSS_Goat
05-17-2007, 09:00 AM
Can you patch up to 2.06 with just this patch?

trumper
05-17-2007, 09:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Can you patch up to 2.06 with just this patch? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes you can patch right over and 2.06 supercedes the other patches.
Don't forget there are addons for the terrain
DOWNLOAD: http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/bob_dev/PaulPics/SummerTerrain.zip
(updated download now 33M)




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faustnik
05-17-2007, 09:57 AM
OK, I got BoBII running last night. It was something in Norton AV, as described on the BoB tech support forum.

It was fun to fly around a little but, I don't see how you guys are comparing it to IL-2???? What I do like, a lot, is the sound and the clouds. I don't have the time to get into the offline campaign, and maybe that is the real strength of the game?

leitmotiv
05-17-2007, 10:18 AM
Do you use the TrackIR, faustnik?

faustnik
05-17-2007, 10:20 AM
Yes, I do for offline stuff. I still rely on the old thumb for online DFs, working on it though.

trumper
05-17-2007, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

It was fun to fly around a little but, I don't see how you guys are comparing it to IL-2???? What I do like, a lot, is the sound and the clouds. I don't have the time to get into the offline campaign, and maybe that is the real strength of the game? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why compare it? they are not for comparison,both are different beasts.Just have them both and enjoy them for their own merits.

faustnik
05-17-2007, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trumper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

It was fun to fly around a little but, I don't see how you guys are comparing it to IL-2???? What I do like, a lot, is the sound and the clouds. I don't have the time to get into the offline campaign, and maybe that is the real strength of the game? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why compare it? they are not for comparison,both are different beasts.Just have them both and enjoy them for their own merits. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah definately! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I just see this thread as advertising Bob2 with a few declaring it as a superior flight sim to IL-2. That's just not true, not by a long shot. Don't buy Bob2 expecting an equal or better flight sim than PF. Bob2 would be worth getting if you are into involved offline campaigns or looking for just another sim to fly. The ability to manage the battle looks excellent and I can imagine a large crowd would love Bob2 just for that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
05-17-2007, 10:49 AM
I asked about TrackIR because I prefer it to IL-2 because of it having 6 DOF. Admittedly aspects of IL-2's FM are superior. I consider it practice for BOB. I prefer the cockpits, and I especially prefer using the 6 DOF Spitfire and Hurricane cockpits which are far superior to IL-2's. Honestly, I have played IL-2 so much over the years it just bores me to tears now and I gratefully crank up FSX and BOBII for variety.

Huxley_S
05-17-2007, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I asked about TrackIR because I prefer it to IL-2 because of it having 6 DOF. Admittedly aspects of IL-2's FM are superior. I consider it practice for BOB. I prefer the cockpits, and I especially prefer using the 6 DOF Spitfire and Hurricane cockpits which are far superior to IL-2's. Honestly, I have played IL-2 so much over the years it just bores me to tears now and I gratefully crank up FSX and BOBII for variety. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's always good to have some variety, and while I agree about the cockpits, I can't get my head around (so to speak) this 6DOF malarky. I'm finding it very difficult to keep my head straight without sitting bolt upright and motionless. In IL2 I have no problems. I'd prefer it if it were just 3DOF and the zooming and leaning were on the hatswitch. Can you do that in BoBII?

faustnik
05-17-2007, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Honestly, I have played IL-2 so much over the years it just bores me to tears now and I gratefully crank up FSX and BOBII for variety. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? I always seem to be able to find something new in PF to interest me. Lately its been flying Pacific servers online and the Cobras and Yaks in SE campaigns. That's the great thing about this sim, you can fly an Fw190 over Normandy one night, a Yak over Moscow the next, and a P-80 over a Korean landscape after that. The FMs have so much character that it's a completely different experience.

On your pit comment, I really like to BoB pits too, they are very good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif PF has such a range in pit quality from lousy to fantastic.

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 11:21 AM
BOB really needs a multiplayer version for all you multiplayer guys huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I find the single player Ai excellent so I don't miss it though.

Played a historical mission "end of the defiant" recently.

managed to get a defiant away from it's squadron and was shooting pieces off of it quite happily. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Forgot for a moment this wasn't Il-2's easily tricked ai.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

A damn Hurricane rolled right in on me and had me for breakfest! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I love il-2 1946 for it's plane selections and various many missions but why can't they just steal BOBWOV's Ai! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

leitmotiv
05-17-2007, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I asked about TrackIR because I prefer it to IL-2 because of it having 6 DOF. Admittedly aspects of IL-2's FM are superior. I consider it practice for BOB. I prefer the cockpits, and I especially prefer using the 6 DOF Spitfire and Hurricane cockpits which are far superior to IL-2's. Honestly, I have played IL-2 so much over the years it just bores me to tears now and I gratefully crank up FSX and BOBII for variety. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's always good to have some variety, and while I agree about the cockpits, I can't get my head around (so to speak) this 6DOF malarky. I'm finding it very difficult to keep my head straight without sitting bolt upright and motionless. In IL2 I have no problems. I'd prefer it if it were just 3DOF and the zooming and leaning were on the hatswitch. Can you do that in BoBII? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huxley, there is some info here. The simplest solution is just to disengage your TR just before you shoot so you have a stable view. CHEATER!!!!!!!!

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6524

faustnik
05-17-2007, 11:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I love il-2 1946 for it's plane selections and various many missions but why can't they just steal BOBWOV's Ai! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? I did the same mission and the AI wasn't so stellar? Got a couple Hurris that tried some wierd vertical turning moves then a couple Defiants that went in a circle.

Not sure what you are talking about?

Do you own stock in BOB2 Stalkervision? You are really trying hard to sell it.

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I love il-2 1946 for it's plane selections and various many missions but why can't they just steal BOBWOV's Ai! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? I did the same mission and the AI wasn't so stellar? Got a couple Hurris that tried some wierd vertical turning moves then a couple Defiants that went in a circle.

Not sure what you are talking about?

Do you own stock in BOB2 Stalkervision? You are really trying hard to sell it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting. never seen that before except in old bob? BTW, I could ask you the same thing...

Actually your right why should I care one tiny bit if you like it or not.

what's the old saying..?

"you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.."

BTW, what is a "wierd vertical turning move"? maybe a loop? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

buddye1
05-17-2007, 12:18 PM
To all of our friends at IL2 forum,

First, we do not think we are better than IL2. I personnally love 1946 which I have just purchased and play as I have time. We do not want anyone to think we are trying to compete with IL2. BOBII is just another choice in flight sim that we think is special. It is hard to put into words as to why it is special to us as people who think and write better than me have tried for years and continue to try. The game can just place you back into the BOB with a little imaginagion by the player. It is more than a game to some. It is a BOB history lesson. This of course may be of no interest to you.

Anyone having problems loading BOBII 2.06 please see my post on the Shockwave Technical Forum.

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1...016538eed6512baaa27c (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&start=0&sid=66c55aab22c1016538eed6512baaa27c)

Anyone having problems registering on Shockwave we will try our best to stay on top of it. We are getting killed by spammers now, sorry for the problem.

You only need the 2.06 patch. No other patch required. If you want the optional Muti Skin patch with the actual A/C marking and your PC video card can handle the load you can try it.

You can turn off the 6DOF if you want (options-&gt;Sim-&gt;Adv). IMHO, everyone does seem to like it after they learn all the in's and out's so I recommend some time.

No comment on the BOBII AI, as that is what I have been working on. I can tell you I have coded 96 maneuvres in BOBII and I think they are all historicly acurate based on pilot skill but only my opinion.

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 12:22 PM
faustnik sometimes I get the feeling your trying awfully hard not to like it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I play both and alternate between the two. They aren't mutually exclusive sims. Broaden your horizons..

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buddye1:
To all of our friends at IL2 forum,

First, we do not think we are better than IL2. I personnally love 1946 which I have just purchased and play as I have time. We do not want anyone to think we are trying to compete with IL2. BOBII is just another choice in flight sim that we think is special. It is hard to put into words as to why it is special to us as people who think and write better than me have tried for years and continue to try. The game can just place you back into the BOB with a little imaginagion by the player. It is more than a game to some. It is a BOB history lesson. This of course may be of no interest to you.

Anyone having problems loading BOBII 2.06 please see my post on the Shockwave Technical Forum.

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1...016538eed6512baaa27c (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&start=0&sid=66c55aab22c1016538eed6512baaa27c)

Anyone having problems registering on Shockwave we will try our best to stay on top of it. We are getting killed by spammers now, sorry for the problem.

You only need the 2.06 patch. No other patch required. If you want the optional Muti Skin patch with the actual A/C marking and your PC video card can handle the load you can try it.

You can turn off the 6DOF if you want (options-&gt;Sim-&gt;Adv). IMHO, everyone does seem to like it after they learn all the in's and out's so I recommend some time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Totally true and well said! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

If I could absolutely only have one to play guess the one which I would choose..

Wrong!

Thankfully I don't have to make that choice..! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

faustnik
05-17-2007, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
faustnik sometimes I get the feeling your trying awfully hard not to like it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I play both and alternate between the two. They aren't mutually exclusive sims. Broaden your horizons.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't say I though BoB2 was bad, where do you get that? I just don't like your attitude, trying to promote another sim here while badmouthing PF. I would never go to the BoB forums and declare "IL-2 does this better, the AI in BoB sucks", that's just in poor taste.

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
faustnik sometimes I get the feeling your trying awfully hard not to like it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I play both and alternate between the two. They aren't mutually exclusive sims. Broaden your horizons.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go on and talk about the "wierd manauvers you saw" all you want. This complaint will be put into the next patch for consideration..

That's a pretty good deal huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I didn't say I though BoB2 was bad, where do you get that? I just don't like your attitude, trying to promote another sim here while badmouthing PF. I would never go to the BoB forums and declare "IL-2 does this better, the AI in BoB sucks", that's just in poor taste. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your totally off fastnik. Why because I said I don't like Bob's ai all that much. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Heck a lot of people here say the very same thing. People come on shockwave and complain all the time about this or that about BOB. You are are totally welcome to come over and voice your complaints anytime you want. Complain to your heart's content.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We won't mind. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hell that is where we get most of our best info to make the game better and btw we won't tell you "I don't like your attitude when you do" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

come on and talk about your "wierd manauvers" and describe them. We won't mind. In fact there is a good possability that your problem will get worked on for the next patch!

pretty good deal huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


BTW you can promote Il-2 all you want over there if you would like but we all own it already and play it quite often.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


You know what I would really like to promote though WOV.."Wings over Vietnam the series"

Great aircraft, wonderful add-on jets for free (f-86 and Mig 15!) and a whole lot of fun! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

go out and buy it if you don't have it already.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

faustnik
05-17-2007, 01:34 PM
No thanks, I did try it, I have tried BOB2 since it first came out and have patched it through the various stages. I don't think it has a place on my HD. I'm sure I will reinstall for 2.07, and later patches, just to try it. It's interesting to take a different sim for a spin. I'm mostly an online player and PF is definately "the sim" for online. Even for offline, I prefer PF.

I am happy that some people are enjoying it though, and I have have shown my support for BOB2s development with my $s. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Maybe someday Shockwave will license the IL-2 engine? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
No thanks, I did try it, I have tried BOB2 since it first came out and have patched it through the various stages. I don't think it has a place on my HD. I'm sure I will reinstall for 2.07, and later patches, just to try it. It's interesting to take a different sim for a spin. I'm mostly an online player and PF is definately "the sim" for online. Even for offline, I prefer PF.

I am happy that some people are enjoying it though, and I have have shown my support for BOB2s development with my $s. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Maybe someday Shockwave will license the IL-2 engine? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for those kind words.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


I am personally waiting for maddox version of the Korean war conflict.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


Until then..


http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?automodule=downloads&req=display&code=ss&full=1&id=4045

Huxley_S
05-17-2007, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am personally waiting for maddox version of the Korean war conflict.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Out of interest, what's the plan with BOBII once SoW:BoB comes out? I can understand it when you say that BOBII doesn't compete with 1946 and that they are different beasts, but you can't really say that about SoW, them being both Battle of Britain sims an' all.

Expectations are that it will be a huge improvement over 1946, and that means it will be a superior product to BOBII as well.

Is there room in the sim market for the two and if so how and why?

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 03:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am personally waiting for maddox version of the Korean war conflict.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Out of interest, what's the plan with BOBII once SoW:BoB comes out? I can understand it when you say that BOBII doesn't compete with 1946 and that they are different beasts, but you can't really say that about SoW, them being both Battle of Britain sims an' all.

Expectations are that it will be a huge improvement over 1946, and that means it will be a superior product to BOBII as well.

Is there room in the sim market for the two and if so how and why? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


All I can see is "we shall see" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have a feeling BOBSOW will be hugely cpu intensive and will leave a nitch market to BOBWOV for people who can't afford or don't want to pony up all the big bucks on a new much better rig to run SOW at max resolutions. Bobwov runs quite well with the rigs we have now and is pretty darn good except for the ground level "eye candy" Even this has been improved quite a bit recently though. Not to SOW standards! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

then one will have to see how each game is set up to handle the bob campaign.

I have a feeling maddox has studied BOBWOV quite a bit in this regard..

Very excellent questions Huxley_S! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


Shockwave is promising some "surprises" in the near future on these fronts.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

BSS_Sniper
05-17-2007, 03:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
If only it had multiplayer. I know some dont care but Shockwave could do themselves a huge favor by adding it to their next sim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless I misread it, I saw that multiplayer is the very next thing on their plate/patch.

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
If only it had multiplayer. I know some dont care but Shockwave could do themselves a huge favor by adding it to their next sim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless I misread it, I saw that multiplayer is the very next thing on their plate/patch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go over to shockwave and check it out or Buddy may drop by and tell you more about it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I kind of wish they would develop it more seeing it is so popular with everyone..

BSS_Sniper
05-17-2007, 03:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Registered at shockwave to access the help forum. It says you need to wait for an admin to manually let you join. Doing background checks maybe? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had to do the samething. When I did get registered though and posted a thread about my problem I had people from the TOP down helping me. The very first suggestion got it fixed. They are AWSOME at support and everyone there seems great. I've yet to find a case of flaming or arguing. It's a great community and sim. I'm glad I got it. I'll still fly IL2, but BOBII is something you guys that don't have it yet should take a look at. It's only $20 and you get SO much.

BSS_Sniper
05-17-2007, 03:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I asked about TrackIR because I prefer it to IL-2 because of it having 6 DOF. Admittedly aspects of IL-2's FM are superior. I consider it practice for BOB. I prefer the cockpits, and I especially prefer using the 6 DOF Spitfire and Hurricane cockpits which are far superior to IL-2's. Honestly, I have played IL-2 so much over the years it just bores me to tears now and I gratefully crank up FSX and BOBII for variety. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's always good to have some variety, and while I agree about the cockpits, I can't get my head around (so to speak) this 6DOF malarky. I'm finding it very difficult to keep my head straight without sitting bolt upright and motionless. In IL2 I have no problems. I'd prefer it if it were just 3DOF and the zooming and leaning were on the hatswitch. Can you do that in BoBII? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had to do some tweeking. The thing that was bothering me was the roll. So I went into the BOBII profile in TIR and just unclicked roll. That did the job for me. Maybe you could give that a try?

BSS_Sniper
05-17-2007, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
If only it had multiplayer. I know some dont care but Shockwave could do themselves a huge favor by adding it to their next sim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless I misread it, I saw that multiplayer is the very next thing on their plate/patch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go over to shockwave and check it out or Buddy may drop by and tell you more about it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I kind of wish they would develop it more seeing it is so popular with everyone.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't find it now. I just happenned to notice it when I was flipping through the shockwave forums. I know I saw something there about it, to the effect of what I said. One thing I can say for sure is that they are seriously looking into it.

Dagnabit
05-17-2007, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Herf, herf. Don't fergit latest Direct X and video drivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a last resort try BOBII tech help forum here:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1...206874203794a192aabe (http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=8a9c8cae71e5206874203794a192aabe)

GOOD LUCK, WORF! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
"Herf Herf"? What language is that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Man, this is part of the reason why I love this forum and this game. We have great openminded, friendly people abound here and it's such a friggin' change of pace to some boards I frequent. I do love you folks.!!!

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo jeepers Worf...I didnt know ya cared bro....Oh man!!!...I think Im gonna ....yep Im gonnaaaaa http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif
Thanks man I needed that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif
Dag http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

leitmotiv
05-17-2007, 06:24 PM
Re. the AI flap a couple posts above: BOBII's AI can stall out in a maladroit maneuver---now we all know Oleg's AI never "screws the pooch." This is a radical step forward in handling the AI. Let's give credit where it is due. I like BOBII. We all play IL-2 46. We are all interested in developments in the hobby. There are interesting things going on in BOBII whether some wish to acknowledge this or not. They have mastered the huge arena, their atmospherics for, say, London, with smog, are incredible, and their AI is cutting edge.

buddye1
05-17-2007, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I love il-2 1946 for it's plane selections and various many missions but why can't they just steal BOBWOV's Ai! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? I did the same mission and the AI wasn't so stellar? Got a couple Hurris that tried some wierd vertical turning moves then a couple Defiants that went in a circle.

Not sure what you are talking about?

Do you own stock in BOB2 Stalkervision? You are really trying hard to sell it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I said I would not comment on the AI but the default AI skill level in the historical mission "end of the defiant" is Veteran/Regular (sort of medium).

If you are really interested in checking out the AI please try the Dog Fight Random Advantage (12 on 12 dog fight) where the default skill level is "ACE" ( the high end). You can also set the skill level for the wingmen and enemy AI to ACE or Hero in any mission you choose.

Bearcat99
05-17-2007, 07:54 PM
Well based on all the hype... and 6DoF for my new TIR4.. I went and bought this thing.. Ill get it and patch it....if it sucks I am coming back here to let you guys who are raving so about it know.. because I bought it on your recommendations.....

Of course it could never take the place of 46.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif but I figured what the heck... it was only $22.90 at GG (http://www.gogamer.com/Battle-of-Britain-2--Wings-of-Victory-Front-Page_stcVVproductId4759263VVcatId444710VVviewprod. htm) plus if I really hate it I can lambaste it from an experiential position of authority.. rather than based on a really unimpressive video....

Stay tuned.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
05-17-2007, 09:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Well based on all the hype... and 6DoF for my new TIR4.. I went and bought this thing.. Ill get it and patch it....if it sucks I am coming back here to let you guys who are raving so about it know.. because I bought it on your recommendations.....

Of course it could never take the place of 46.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif but I figured what the heck... it was only $22.90 at GG (http://www.gogamer.com/Battle-of-Britain-2--Wings-of-Victory-Front-Page_stcVVproductId4759263VVcatId444710VVviewprod. htm) plus if I really hate it I can lambaste it from an experiential position of authority.. rather than based on a really unimpressive video....

Stay tuned.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha! you can't fly anything but stinky Mustangs! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Fortunately Shockwave has an excellent series of stinky Mustangs for you to try out though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://shockwaveproductions.com/wingsofpower/info/forumpicts/wop_p51/P51-D-H.jpg

leitmotiv
05-17-2007, 10:11 PM
Bon appetit, Cat!

SeaFireLIV
05-18-2007, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
....if it sucks I am coming back here to let you guys who are raving so about it know.. because I bought it on your recommendations.....

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

gulp. No pressure then!

Actually, I never thought you`d give it a try. With 2.06 it`s better than ever.

Was involved in a confusing dogfight against 109s over the south coast of England. 109s everywhere, Hurris and Spits everywhere. Constant chatter a lot of which was `Help me!" from the British side.

One thing I remember was seeing a 109 firing at a hapless Hurricane. The Hurricane jerked in panic and entered immediately into a stall. I turned on the 109 and chased him as the fluttering Hurricane floated down toward the sea.

I never saw if he made it as I was now in a life or death struggle with my bogie.

The thing is it felt so realistic.

Be advised, Bearcat, don`t expect a kill for a few missions in Campaign. It`s definitely hardcore dogfighting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

trumper
05-18-2007, 05:32 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Bearcat,i really hope you enjoy it.All i will say is give it time ,lots of time.As the saying goes little and often.
It may take you time to get into the menus and set it up and there are also Mods and addons that really make a difference as well.
I think you visit the shockwave forums so any problems just ask,as stated earlier the responses to help people are 2nd to none. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Don't forget there are sound mods for the Buttkicker device as well.
PLEASE DON'T compare it like for like with f/b,they are different beasts,they both have huge pluses and some negatives.
Give it time and learn to love it slowly,it can be frustrating to start with but it's worth the effort.
There is a campaign side which is a game on it's own without the flying. It is like the tactical board games but you can jump into it and fly yourself and make a difference.
Hope you like it,remember,little and often http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
05-18-2007, 05:56 AM
I would say after bearcat gets the game going he should start with trying some take offs and free flight time in each aircraft to get a feel for each and then pick a favorite. Before doing all this use a easy flying hurricane to set up his joystick the way he likes it. I actually find using a microsoft precison pro at default settings works excellent. If he has a new MFF stick that will work on Bob even better! Totally great stick for bob. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Then tryout some single player one v one combat with the plane of his choosing for a while agains't whatever skill level enemy ai he chooses but it's best to start with a vet and progress up.

Then throw himself into a few historical missions with lots and lots of aircraft to get the real feel about what bob is all about... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Of course you can try all the pilot training programs which are very good indeed and start that way but what fun is that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

any questions about setting up this or that sign up for the shockwave forum and we will all help you out with useless...ahh I mean useful suggestions about what to do.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

also as trumper says there are excellent add-ons for bob that really make it look really nice. Download "modman" first which is our add-on manager program and these add-on are then totally easy to download using this program.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

slipBall
05-18-2007, 07:06 AM
206 seems much improved for my rig....keep them coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BigC208
05-18-2007, 10:03 AM
I bought BOB WOV 3 or 4 months ago and patched it to 2.05. I enjoyed it but thought the learning curve was a bit steeper than Il2. Also the AI did some anoying things like warping as if online and whole groups of aircraft flying pretty much synchronized. Very odd to see 20 or 30 aircraft moving into a bank at exactly the same time. What I did like was the feeling of being there right in the thick of it.

Now with the 2.06 patch all the funky stuff that was, is no more and I have to say that it now is a top notch contender. The FM is IMHO better than IL2 wich feels like rolling on a railroad track after flying the BOB planes for a couple of days.

OK, down low it still is not up the standards of Il2 but at the altitudes where the Battle was mainly fought it truly shines.

A couple of days ago I was in dogfight with a 109 and he did a HO on me and I ducked behind the instrument pannel.....hehe. That was a first for me ever! No looking over your shoulder at AI and pull a few G's and watch the bullets drop behind you. You need to really take evasive action or you are dead meat!

All the folks comparing the 2 sims to death should just take each for what it is. Il2 has a huge scope and covers almost the entire airwar of WWII and will be for a long time on my HD even after BoB SoW shows up this winter.

BoB WoV, with it's 6Dof and it's stunning immersion, must just be experienced. After you get used to the different interface the feeling of having your hands tied behind your back will go away. Get em both and play em both. It's a win win situation.

Blood_Splat
05-18-2007, 10:08 AM
I tried to play BOB but I'm just so use to Olegs FM, it just feels more fluid to me.

JamesBigDogB
05-18-2007, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigC208:
I bought BOB WOV 3 or 4 months ago and patched it to 2.05. I enjoyed it but thought the learning curve was a bit steeper than Il2. Also the AI did some anoying things like warping as if online and whole groups of aircraft flying pretty much synchronized. Very odd to see 20 or 30 aircraft moving into a bank at exactly the same time. What I did like was the feeling of being there right in the thick of it.

Now with the 2.06 patch all the funky stuff that was, is no more and I have to say that it now is a top notch contender. The FM is IMHO better than IL2 wich feels like rolling on a railroad track after flying the BOB planes for a couple of days.

OK, down low it still is not up the standards of Il2 but at the altitudes where the Battle was mainly fought it truly shines.

A couple of days ago I was in dogfight with a 109 and he did a HO on me and I ducked behind the instrument pannel.....hehe. That was a first for me ever! No looking over your shoulder at AI and pull a few G's and watch the bullets drop behind you. You need to really take evasive action or you are dead meat!

All the folks comparing the 2 sims to death should just take each for what it is. Il2 has a huge scope and covers almost the entire airwar of WWII and will be for a long time on my HD even after BoB SoW shows up this winter.

BoB WoV, with it's 6Dof and it's stunning immersion, must just be experienced. After you get used to the different interface the feeling of having your hands tied behind your back will go away. Get em both and play em both. It's a win win situation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif


I am part of the team who have worked on BoB as part of the BDG and I like to read things like that last bit. I have all of the IL2 series and like them. I would say that there should not need to be a choice, they are both very different and excell in different areas. I would say though that for anyone to dismiss either without having tried properly and for long enough to understand the two would be a bit pathetic. I'm glad to see so many of you enjoying both, I certainly do.

buddye1
05-18-2007, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesBigDogB:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigC208:
I bought BOB WOV 3 or 4 months ago and patched it to 2.05. I enjoyed it but thought the learning curve was a bit steeper than Il2. Also the AI did some anoying things like warping as if online and whole groups of aircraft flying pretty much synchronized. Very odd to see 20 or 30 aircraft moving into a bank at exactly the same time. What I did like was the feeling of being there right in the thick of it.

Now with the 2.06 patch all the funky stuff that was, is no more and I have to say that it now is a top notch contender. The FM is IMHO better than IL2 wich feels like rolling on a railroad track after flying the BOB planes for a couple of days.

OK, down low it still is not up the standards of Il2 but at the altitudes where the Battle was mainly fought it truly shines.

A couple of days ago I was in dogfight with a 109 and he did a HO on me and I ducked behind the instrument pannel.....hehe. That was a first for me ever! No looking over your shoulder at AI and pull a few G's and watch the bullets drop behind you. You need to really take evasive action or you are dead meat!

All the folks comparing the 2 sims to death should just take each for what it is. Il2 has a huge scope and covers almost the entire airwar of WWII and will be for a long time on my HD even after BoB SoW shows up this winter.

BoB WoV, with it's 6Dof and it's stunning immersion, must just be experienced. After you get used to the different interface the feeling of having your hands tied behind your back will go away. Get em both and play em both. It's a win win situation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif


I am part of the team who have worked on BoB as part of the BDG and I like to read things like that last bit. I have all of the IL2 series and like them. I would say that there should not need to be a choice, they are both very different and excell in different areas. I would say though that for anyone to dismiss either without having tried properly and for long enough to understand the two would be a bit pathetic. I'm glad to see so many of you enjoying both, I certainly do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a wonderful post. I agree both are super games. Glad to run into another BDG'er.

RAF74_Raptor
05-18-2007, 11:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
What I love most about this game is that it makes me aware of the strengths and weaknesses of '46 aswell ( besides beeing a whole lot of fun on it's own).
The obvious things might be sound and campaign, but even little details continue to impress the heck outa me when playing BoB II. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif
The 109 actually feels right - the power, the great controll over every inch of this sleek, deadly machine.
And whats most important in terms of FM:
The airplanes seem right in relation to eachother - a thing you don't always get with '46.
If you take it on with a Spit or a 109 you really notice how close those fighters are - how you automaticaly start to behave like the real pilots did to counter the enemy.
The air to air marksmanship is one of the real strong points of BoB II over '46 IMO - it is damned hard to hit anything when you come from IL-2 the first time.
Shure, I won't give up the Hyperlobby and UKded - but BoB has grown to be a real alternative. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Completely concur. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Aaron_GT
05-19-2007, 09:02 AM
Well the 2.06 experience is so far a little unsatisfactory for me. I loaded up the instant action lone fighter versus bomber mission. The first time round when I decided to engage the x4 time speed up for the jaunt back to base the ground vanished. Second time up coming into base I dropped the undercarriage, the game stuttered then crashed to desktop.

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 09:49 AM
TRUTH IN ADVERTISING: 2.06 just burned me exactly the way 2.05 did. Suddenly refused to load scenarios. Locked up. Had to force quit four times in a row with four different scenarios. Only solution: reinstall. Getting a bit old. Had been humming along perfectly. I had made no changes prior to the lock ups. Friend of mine, Feathered_IV, is registered with Shockwave and can't even get onto their Tech forum because, apparently, he's still being vetted for some reason---this is a constant complaint of people trying to get tech help for this game.

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Well the 2.06 experience is so far a little unsatisfactory for me. I loaded up the instant action lone fighter versus bomber mission. The first time round when I decided to engage the x4 time speed up for the jaunt back to base the ground vanished. Second time up coming into base I dropped the undercarriage, the game stuttered then crashed to desktop. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Flew your very same profile and it worked flawlessly. Dropped the gear and flaps and even set it on autopilot to see if that worked which it did perfectly..

Honestly I have had very few ctd's if any since the game was improved. With my old slow crappy system and Bob unpatched this was a totally different story. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I have never had to uninstall and reinstall it since then.

ploughman
05-19-2007, 11:23 AM
How old and crappy is your system Stalker? I too have an old and crappy system (p1.5, fx5200, 1G RAM) and a copy of BoB II that I haven't bothered with since 2.05 because I had too much trouble with it.

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
How old and crappy is your system Stalker? I too have an old and crappy system (p1.5, fx5200, 1G RAM) and a copy of BoB II that I haven't bothered with since 2.05 because I had too much trouble with it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a new much improved and faster HP system now praise god Ploughman! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif A curse on Dell products! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

BOB DOES NOT LIKE OLD SLOW CPU SYSTEMS! It will crash on you till your ears bleed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

That's my experiance anyway. My system isn't the absolutely fastest by far but the difference is remarkable! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ploughman
05-19-2007, 11:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Sigh. Looks like it'll have to stay benched untill I get a new rig.

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 11:42 AM
My system was just updated in Dec '05 and smokes with IL-2 46 and everything up to FSX which beat it down and made it whimper like a puppy, dammit, but it still works, just have to settle for diminished quality graphics. It had no trouble processing BOBII 2.05/2.06 but something shore nuff disagreed with my computer in those versions. Never had lockups with 2.04. I'm so disgruntled I am inclined to just wait for Oleg's BOB.

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Sigh. Looks like it'll have to stay benched untill I get a new rig. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well you could try lowering the resolution of the clouds and water to medium which helps quite a bit. Density levels should be set to low. Set the system back a bit and give it a try. The new patch is an improvement over the old version by quite a bit.

Give it a try. It may just work. My Dell was a piece of junk. Your system might just pull it off... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The new BOB 2.6 downloadable manual should help you find the best way to do this btw..

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
My system was just updated in Dec '05 and smokes with IL-2 46 and everything up to FSX which beat it down and made it whimper like a puppy, dammit, but it still works, just have to settle for diminished quality graphics. It had no trouble processing BOBII 2.05/2.06 but something shore nuff disagreed with my computer in those versions. Never had lockups with 2.04. I'm so disgruntled I am inclined to just wait for Oleg's BOB. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe BoB is very funny about what is in and isn't in your system. I believe it is sensitive to system conflicts somehow. 2.4 worked fine for you? Too bad you couldn't have kept it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif You know what they say.."leave well enough alone.."

well you accidently wolk up "well-enough.." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pss..I have a feeling it is "sensitive to different sound cards " In my experiance different sound cards and especially software for them is 99% of ctd troubles. Why I have no idea whatsoever..

Bearcat99
05-19-2007, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Actually, I never thought you`d give it a try. With 2.06 it`s better than ever.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well my initial impression was based on what I saw in videos and I like to base my opinions on as much fact as possible.. that way right or wrong I know I based my opinions on what I had to work with. One of the things I like about this sim (46) is that it even looks like planes flying... (except for so e online tracks I have seen of course..)

I never thought WoV was bad... just not as good as 46.. and I still don't expect it to be.. which doesn't necessarily make it a bad sim considering how good 46 is.

46 will still be my sim of choice for a while for the planeset alone.. but hey... I like to keep an open mind.... I also really think that SoW is going to blow so many people away...

When I consider what IL2 was in 2001... I got it in 2002.. but considering that it was released in 2001.. and considering that the engine was even older... it's longevity and the rabid faithfulness of it's fans says more about it's quality and the possibilities from 1C than I ever could.

But I will still give WoV a shot. Hey I tried @ 6 times to like CFS3... my main problem with CFS3 was that i could never get my FFB2 stick to work in it.. and no one could ever help me. It would just flop over to one corner ans stay like that as soon as I booted up the game. I finally said frack it.. why bother... I have IL2...

I figured what the hey... I'll give WoV a shot.. if for no other reason based on the opinions of folks whose opinons I generally tend to respect... I decided to give FSX a shot too because I could get the deluxe for $39... I wasn't about to drop $69 to MS for any sim based on my previous experience and the scuttlebutt... but for $39... I could give it a go.

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 11:58 AM
I alternate and fly both all the time. Each seems to cover what weaknesses the other one has.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Kind of like picking different favorite foods depending on your wim at the time.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 12:06 PM
I will tell you one thing Bearcat . You will really enjoy BOB's enemy AI...and it will really enjoy you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

buddye1
05-19-2007, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
My system was just updated in Dec '05 and smokes with IL-2 46 and everything up to FSX which beat it down and made it whimper like a puppy, dammit, but it still works, just have to settle for diminished quality graphics. It had no trouble processing BOBII 2.05/2.06 but something shore nuff disagreed with my computer in those versions. Never had lockups with 2.04. I'm so disgruntled I am inclined to just wait for Oleg's BOB. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi leitmotiv, Sorry for the BOBII change, can you please tell me what spy ware and virus software you run?

Do you shut down other programs be fore running BOBII?

You problem is so strange to me working and not working sort of like an intermittent problem rather than a solid failure.

Any change to your PC environment?

Superluminal_8
05-19-2007, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I will tell you one thing Bearcat . You will really enjoy BOB's enemy AI...and it will really enjoy you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I beat the ACE ai one vs one in my JU 87...well,he got some hits and runned away,but he didn´t hit me so I claim the victory in that fight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Superluminal_8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I will tell you one thing Bearcat . You will really enjoy BOB's enemy AI...and it will really enjoy you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I beat the ACE ai one vs one in my JU 87...well,he got some hits and runned away,but he didn´t hit me so I claim the victory in that fight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have earned the "Golden Stuka Award" Superluminal_8 I have to respect anyone that dogfights in a Stuka and wins! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just for you a Youtube video of a Stuka Raid! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX249ZUbIak

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 02:58 PM
Here is what I use, buddye: Spybot for spyware, Norton for antivirus, and a Norton personal firewall. Ah, and here you may be onto something---when I was running just 2.04, I was using Spybot and Avast. I switched to Norton around the time 2.05 came out. Yes, I did chose to have all programs shut down while running BOBII. Nope, no change to PC environment. Everything normal. Maybe Norton is zotzing BOBII?

CD_kp84yb
05-19-2007, 03:10 PM
Hi Leitmotiv

Norton is what we call a resourcehog, i had it for a couple years (norton 2006 was my latest)
But now i have switched over to NOD32 and the good old sygate personal firewall.

Conclusion my systems are running smooth, start up of the systems is a way faster than with norton.

NOD 32 had a offer, buy one license on CD and get two licenses.

cheers

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 03:25 PM
Well, what if I just shut off the Nortons before switching on BOBII? I am getting rather annoyed spending more money on antivirus/firewall gear?

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 03:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Here is what I use, buddye: Spybot for spyware, Norton for antivirus, and a Norton personal firewall. Ah, and here you may be onto something---when I was running just 2.04, I was using Spybot and Avast. I switched to Norton around the time 2.05 came out. Yes, I did chose to have all programs shut down while running BOBII. Nope, no change to PC environment. Everything normal. Maybe Norton is zotzing BOBII? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I run spybot and avast and they work out well. Seems to me as I recall I once used Norton's and had a bit of trouble using BOB with it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

major_setback
05-19-2007, 03:53 PM
I'm using Norton without a problem, but have'nt done much flying scince the new patch.

Surely with WoV being a solely offline game there would be no problem in disconecting from the web, shutting down Internet Explorer (supposed to be a big resource hog), and closing antivirus and firewall?

buddye1
05-19-2007, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, what if I just shut off the Nortons before switching on BOBII? I am getting rather annoyed spending more money on antivirus/firewall gear? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi again leitmotiv, sure wish we had sorted this for you on 2.05 as I have been dealing with Mr Norton for a long time now.

I am having all kinds of trouble with Norton hanging loading files. Most customers can not get it turned off or disabled if they try. I personnally had to uninstall it as it will not take my orders and I can not stand SW that does not obey orders (I am an Ex- SW exec). BTW, we have other customers who have had to do the same.

This is just a guess (no proof) based on my many hours of customer support.

I have no idea why Norton is hanging BOBII checking files but I sure think it is. I also do not know if it is the virus of firewall stuff that is just killing the loading of files.

If any of you smart guys can help me tell people how to shut down Norton it would really help me as BOBII is just an off-line game.

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 04:03 PM
Well, I'll reinstall (since I've already deleted @&&%%&&%%%%###!!!!), and try turning off the Nortons manually before playing BOBII. At least we know the culprit, and know how to deal with this. If this doesn't work, I'll consider a Norton purge. Thanks for the solution! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ploughman
05-19-2007, 04:10 PM
Have you tried that FS_Autostart software Leit? I don't know if it'll help but it shuts my Norton down (or at least I think it does) and it certainly helps my cr8ppy system get on with what's important. As BoBII's off line stuff, You can always isolate your system from the cosmos and then run it.

Chef-Scott
05-19-2007, 04:15 PM
I'm just still waiting to get access to the forums there. Same user ID as here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

stalkervision
05-19-2007, 04:22 PM
As I recall now, Norton's did no end to screwing up BoB.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

buddye1
05-19-2007, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chef-Scott:
I'm just still waiting to get access to the forums there. Same user ID as here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry one of our volenteers is out with a problem. I will get the Reg stuff done as quick as I can. Tough being a small bunch.

buddye1
05-19-2007, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well, I'll reinstall (since I've already deleted @&&%%&&%%%%###!!!!), and try turning off the Nortons manually before playing BOBII. At least we know the culprit, and know how to deal with this. If this doesn't work, I'll consider a Norton purge. Thanks for the solution! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOW, leitmotiv

You are quick on the delete button, I guess I am a bit old and slow to try and help you fast enough. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And I was thinking my customer support was good.

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 05:18 PM
What do you think of The Shield Deluxe or CA Antivirus? They are highly rated (higher than Nort)---will they be less obtrusive to BOBII? This isn't the first time Nort has caused me grief. I had to sack it a few years ago because it caused weirdness in an Apple.

Chef-Scott
05-19-2007, 06:13 PM
Not a problem. I am in no rush. Just curious was all.

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 07:07 PM
All right. Reinstalled, all set up, and whanging away again. Going to get rid of the Norts as soon as I have found maximum solutions to replace them (I have to have high security).

I reiterate: a combat flight sim without 6 DOF seems Pleistocene to me and lacking the essential ingredient for naturalistic head motion necessary for suspension of disbelief---having my head trapped behind the I-16's turnover pylon/headrest grated on me to no end in IL-2. I love the freedom of BOBII.

Bearcat99
05-19-2007, 09:32 PM
Norton Schmorton.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Hit that link ---&gt; The File Hippo (http://www.filehippo.com/)

Look in the most popular DL section and DL AVG Free.. Zone Alarm firewall.. AdAware Anti Spy.. and some other good stuff too. If you dont have Windows the Sun Open Office is pretty good too...

Norton... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
Never again... and dont get me started on McCaffee..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I hear the Kaspersky is opretty good too.. although AVG works like a champ for me so...

Feathered_IV
05-19-2007, 10:43 PM
Well well...

What a suprise this is. At this very moment I am installing a new HD on my PC with the express intention of ridding myself of Norton forever. That hulking behemoth brings the system to its knees every time ccapp.exe decides to kick in and comsume 90% of my cpu cycles. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Locking you out of your own house is not the best form of security. It is so nice to know that my suspicions were correct. I'll give AVG a go this time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Superluminal_8
05-19-2007, 11:25 PM
Since NOD32 I have never looked at another antivirus program.

leitmotiv
05-19-2007, 11:30 PM
Thanks, Bearcat and F_IV, tonight I'm nuking Norton. Now I know N is bad for both PCs and Macs.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Feathered_IV
05-19-2007, 11:54 PM
Aye! Sharna pax an av norton do ther juicy wif auntie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

leitmotiv
05-20-2007, 12:12 AM
Arga Warga! And get the pole!

leitmotiv
05-20-2007, 07:11 AM
I have a dumb question about the Hurricane IB/Spitfire IB (constant speed prop). Are you controlling engine rpm with this control or does the prop incidence control do nothing at all when you use "B" aircraft (as opposed to when you use all the other aircraft when it is actually controlling prop incidence)?

leitmotiv
05-20-2007, 09:36 AM
Terminated Nortons with utmost prejudice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

slipBall
05-20-2007, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Norton Schmorton.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Hit that link ---&gt; The File Hippo (http://www.filehippo.com/)

Look in the most popular DL section and DL AVG Free.. Zone Alarm firewall.. AdAware Anti Spy.. and some other good stuff too. If you dont have Windows the Sun Open Office is pretty good too...

Norton... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
Never again... and dont get me started on McCaffee..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I hear the Kaspersky is opretty good too.. although AVG works like a champ for me so... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif
I am finally Norton free, McCaffee! what a joke that was...AVG rocks

Old_Canuck
05-20-2007, 10:26 AM
I'll join youze guyz on the Norton/McCaffee bashing -- and McCaffee came free from my company but never again. Our cable provider offers a firewall they call "Shaw Secure enabled by F-Secure" and it's very solid and user friendly.

Brownba
05-20-2007, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I have a dumb question about the Hurricane IB/Spitfire IB (constant speed prop). Are you controlling engine rpm with this control or does the prop incidence control do nothing at all when you use "B" aircraft (as opposed to when you use all the other aircraft when it is actually controlling prop incidence)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With engine management turned on, you have very fine control of the engine rpm in the "B" versions. Each click seems to change engine speed by around 50-100rpm (I'm sure the more experienced guys can give exact info). My experience only applies to the Hurricane, I have rarely flown the "sexfire".

Here's a very helpful link that was pointed out to me:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2141&start=0

ddpairborne59
05-20-2007, 10:39 AM
I have used AGV, Ad-Aware, spybot S&D ccleaner for years problem free. Incredible programs for free.
Before I used Nortons AV & Firewall,I got viruses and trojans near the end of my subscription. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif???? Makes you wonder.

Aaron_GT
05-20-2007, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Shaw Secure enabled by F-Secure" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They specialise in tongue-twisters as well as software I see!

buddye1
05-20-2007, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I have a dumb question about the Hurricane IB/Spitfire IB (constant speed prop). Are you controlling engine rpm with this control or does the prop incidence control do nothing at all when you use "B" aircraft (as opposed to when you use all the other aircraft when it is actually controlling prop incidence)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, I am not sure I can get my mind around that sentence as I am just a humble old programmer/engineer now. I am not an expert but I hope this helps. Remember these A/C historic capabilities were for only the few months during the BOB.

In the Instant Action missions you can select aircraft by squadron (with real markings with the Multi Skin patch)and hence aircraft type. For example 65sq and 610sq fly the Spit 1B, select a mission with these sq and you will get the incremental control over the prop pitch. In my simple mind the prop pitch is like shifting gears in a car, low gear high RPM's, high gear low RPM's. Any other Spit sq will deliver a two pitch prop as per the Spit 1A. Hurri sq are the same.

leitmotiv, you are a very quick on the trigger sort of guy.

major_setback
05-20-2007, 11:16 AM
Avast antivirus is also free. I've been using it for years. The only drawback is that a full system scan takes a very long time.
Without prompting it tells me if any suspect file has made it's way onto my comp' when I'm online.

Huxley_S
05-20-2007, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:

I'll give AVG a go this time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AVG anti-virus. Better than Norton and completely free for personal use.

http://free.grisoft.com

capt_frank
05-20-2007, 01:07 PM
McAfee came on my new computer, paid subsciption for one year.

Didn't last long.

Been using AVG for years now, NEVER a problem.

buddye1
05-20-2007, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trumper:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Bearcat,i really hope you enjoy it.All i will say is give it time ,lots of time.As the saying goes little and often.
It may take you time to get into the menus and set it up and there are also Mods and addons that really make a difference as well.
I think you visit the shockwave forums so any problems just ask,as stated earlier the responses to help people are 2nd to none. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Don't forget there are sound mods for the Buttkicker device as well.
PLEASE DON'T compare it like for like with f/b,they are different beasts,they both have huge pluses and some negatives.
Give it time and learn to love it slowly,it can be frustrating to start with but it's worth the effort.
There is a campaign side which is a game on it's own without the flying. It is like the tactical board games but you can jump into it and fly yourself and make a difference.
Hope you like it,remember,little and often http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

trumper, the campaign is a bit harder to learn in BOBII but you can fly any mission you want and all are different. The campaign will ask you if you want to fly. You can fly as the leader or a wingman. It is like an infinite number of missions.

One of the features of the campaign is that you can do a savegame so you can start where you left off.

We are using the campaign savegame to test a new concept that we have been working on that may be interesting to the real life mission history types (sorry I know the on-line group will/may not be interested in this):

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7958

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7953

slipBall
05-20-2007, 02:14 PM
buddye1 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The campaign will ask you if you want to fly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Care to explain this, I'm always a gunner...is there a box that I need to check off?...at what point does the campaign ask if I want to pilot

buddye1
05-20-2007, 04:48 PM
Hi Slipball, not really a box (I think) it is mission driven.

Try the RAF campaign as all the flight are fighters (my choice). You will ask by the campaign program to fly either at takoff or when the enemy is engaged/intercepted (my option as I like to dog fight).

If it is a LUF campaign mission with only bombers (HE111, JU88, or D017) then your only option is a gunner as BOBII does not have an option to pilot a bomber or gunner on the 110 and Ju87 as yet (sorry, BTW I trule love 1946's 110 and Ju87 gunner position and I looking forward to us doing it as well).

In the Luf campaign you can join and fly as a JU87, 110, or 109 pilot (and a gunner on a bomber). Ju87 will be on a bomber mission, the 110 and 109 mostly escort for the bombers.

I am sorry I am not a campaign expert (maybe when I retire from the BDG) but just a coder (mostly AI). We do have many campaign experts and a over 300 page Users Manual with a ton of campaign material. The campaign is a bit deep and takes some time to learn but most seem to enjoy it with experience.

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 01:18 AM
Thanks everybody for all the antivirus/firewall advice. Computer MUCH better relieved of garbage Norton software.

slipBall
05-21-2007, 01:25 AM
Thanks buddye1, I'll try the RAF campaign....I will have to take the time and read through the manual again....maybe my thick skull will retain

Feathered_IV
05-21-2007, 03:57 AM
It's official. Norton AV is a dirty Hun that hates flight sims.

Installed new HD and put everything back on (with AVG this time) and BoB works just fine. A mission loads in thirty seconds now, where before the computer would lock up completely and need to be restarted. All I need now is a bomba and some boffins from Bletchley to puzzle out the cryptic key mapping descriptions...

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 04:27 AM
Yep, I'm right as rain, too, now that I purged. Sending Whitleys, Hampdens, and Wellingtons to Symantec to settle score for blitzing my computer. Be sure to use "0" (or whatever you want) for RAF "breaking the wire" for maximum boost.

major_setback
05-21-2007, 04:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:


All I need now is a bomba and some boffins from Bletchley to puzzle out the cryptic key mapping descriptions... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know. If anyone can give me some tips I would be grateful.
1.How do you set it up so you can padlock and unpadlock as in FB? Can you set it to padlock on the nearest plane infront of you (not the nearest one ex. behind you).
2. How do you set 'snap' pan viewing ie: pan so that the view springs back to the front when you release the hat-switch?
3. can you zoom in your view from in the cockpit, how?

[I am waiting for my registrationon the Shockwave forum to come through, or I would ask there]

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 04:48 AM
I'd lend a hand, major, but I don't use padlock---yet---I understand I'll have to use it for directing squadron attacks. I use the TrackIR, so I don't know about the panning. And, good grief, I know, they are very lax about getting people into the forums.

major_setback
05-21-2007, 05:16 AM
Ok. I'm thinking of getting rid of my Norton antivirus. I don't have a problem with it, but get a feeling that my dual core system should be performing better than it is, and after reading this thread suspect that Norton might be responsible.

I gather that it might not be enough to just remove it in 'add-programs' section of the control panel. What else do I have to do to make sure my system is clean of it?

leitmotiv
05-21-2007, 05:30 AM
I went through everything including the registry, and, believe it or not, the Add/Remove did it all EXCEPT for for the Symantec folder (for updates) in Programs. There are three files in that folder which cannot be deleted, the %%##@!!! You will doubtlessly want to do your own clearing op just to be sure there are no "snipers" holed up somewhere. Cheers, Monty

P.S. I fixed the Hampden screwup on the FSX thread

SeaFireLIV
05-21-2007, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
buddye1 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The campaign will ask you if you want to fly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Care to explain this, I'm always a gunner...is there a box that I need to check off?...at what point does the campaign ask if I want to pilot </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you start the campaign you will see the map and the icons representing the RAF and Jerry. The computer will scramble aircraft to deal with any forming German formations. When it does this it will ask if you wish to allow the scramble and also if you wish to join. You can say no.

If you say no to joining the flight but let them scramble, the sim will ask if you want to join as pilot once the planes actually have contact with the enemy.

If you say yes you`ll be immediately taken to a new screen where get the choice of which plane you want to be in in the flight. I always start as tail end charlie (blue 3 or other) and slowly promote myself the longer I survive. The sim will then pop you into the air and then the madness begins.

If you want to be gunner (in a German bomber say) then you pick the plane and once in flight change to a gunner position.

IL2 is still the better sim for the whole feel of the aircraft, but its sterility is made up for by BOBwov. BOBwov has some amazing dynamic scenes that can happen.

For instance...

1. Having a swarm of 109s sweep at you over, below and to the sides. I mean like 20 or more over you in one go.

2. Being caught by a 109 boom and zoom attack from above and rear (the Jerries seriously like this move).

3. Taking on dozens of Stukas and just spraying the lot in the hope they all abandon the attack.

4. Realistic and and very big explosions with smoke stacks that are very much like real life.

5. The chatter is much more varied and immersive. I especially like the "Cheeky, beggar! It`s a Spitfire!" When our hurricanes bump into them while tangling with 109s.

6. Blah, blah, blah.

I do sometimes miss the clearer graphics of IL2 and the Russian front, but i`ll get back to that after my stint on Wov.

stalkervision
05-21-2007, 06:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I went through everything including the registry, and, believe it or not, the Add/Remove did it all EXCEPT for for the Symantec folder (for updates) in Programs. There are three files in that folder which cannot be deleted, the %%##@!!! You will doubtlessly want to do your own clearing op just to be sure there are no "snipers" holed up somewhere. Cheers, Monty

P.S. I fixed the Hampden screwup on the FSX thread </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Symantec garbage is almost impossible to get rid of totally once it is loaded on a computer. Thanks all you computer manafactures for including it.."free" on all our computers. It's worse then the viruses it's suppose to protect us from! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

major_setback
05-21-2007, 08:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I went through everything including the registry, and, believe it or not, the Add/Remove did it all EXCEPT for for the Symantec folder (for updates) in Programs. There are three files in that folder which cannot be deleted, the %%##@!!! You will doubtlessly want to do your own clearing op just to be sure there are no "snipers" holed up somewhere. Cheers, Monty

P.S. I fixed the Hampden screwup on the FSX thread </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where do I find the Symantec folder? Is it easy to see which files in there are part of the Norman antivirus program?
[Edit, I re-read the post, I see that you can't get rid of those folders files, right?]

(Yes I saw the nice Hampdon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

major_setback
05-21-2007, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
[I am waiting for my registrationon the Shockwave forum to come through, or I would ask there] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I managed to register just now (looks like I'm in anyway).

I registered a while back by completng the registry form, and waited for an e-mail that never came.

Today I sent an e-mail to the adress att he top of the forum, where it says 'send e-mail to register) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif including my user name, password, and e-mail adress that I'd submitted in the original registration (that was never confirmed).

Anyway, it only took a couple of hours before I got an e-mail confirmation that I'm registered.

Feathered_IV
05-21-2007, 09:12 AM
Hmm. I think what I really need is some good stick settings. It all seems a bit of a wobble-fest at the moment. I don't suppose anyone has any? (still not granted forum access). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

buddye1
05-21-2007, 10:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:


All I need now is a bomba and some boffins from Bletchley to puzzle out the cryptic key mapping descriptions... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know. If anyone can give me some tips I would be grateful.
1.How do you set it up so you can padlock and unpadlock as in FB? Can you set it to padlock on the nearest plane infront of you (not the nearest one ex. behind you).
2. How do you set 'snap' pan viewing ie: pan so that the view springs back to the front when you release the hat-switch?
3. can you zoom in your view from in the cockpit, how?

[I am waiting for my registrationon the Shockwave forum to come through, or I would ask there] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is some info from SeaVee. He is our usual forum helper but he is on vacation so you are stuck with me filling in (yes, small taem again).

A quick recap of some of the various padlock and view keys and the "S" key - Padlock Center function.

Key commands are in ITALICS



PADLOCK TOGGLE = ENTER - this toggles on or off the padlock of whatever plane you have padlocked. Once you have a plane padlocked, hit ENTER and the padlock will turn off. Hit ENTER again and the same plane as before will be padlocked. This command does NOT cycle the padlock from one plane to the next.

BREAK PADLOCK = ESC - this breaks the current padlock

PADLOCK DIAMOND - DRAW OR DON'T DRAW = SHIFT+T - this command toggles on or off the drawing of the padlock diamond. It is NOT the command to padlock, rather only whether or not the red diamond is drawn or not over the plane that is padlocked. In other words, you can have a plane padlocked but choose whether or not to have the diamond drawn around it.

LABELS ON/OFF = L - toggles on/off the aircraft labels



ENEMY VIEWS:

NEAREST ENEMY = CTRL+F1 - padlocks the nearest enemy aircraft

NEXT ENEMY = F1 - padlocks the next enemy aircraft

PREVIOUS ENEMY = SHIFT+F1 - padlocks the previous enemy aircraft





FRIENDLY VIEWS:

NEAREST FRIENDLY = CTRL+F2 - padlocks the nearest friendly aircraft

NEXT FRIENDLY = F2 - padlocks the next friendly aircraft

PREVIOUS FRIENDLY = SHIFT+F2 - padlocks the previous friendly aircraft





GROUND TARGETS:

NEAREST GROUND TARGET = CTRL+F3 - padlocks the nearest ground target

NEXT GROUND TARGET = F3 - padlocks the next ground target

PREVIOUS GROUND TARGET = SHIFT+F3 - padlocks the previous ground target



WAYPOINTS:

NEXT WAYPOINT = F4 - padlocks the next waypoint

PREVIOUS WAYPOINT = SHIFT+F4 - padlocks the previous waypoint



COCKPIT VIEW = F7

OUTSIDE VIEW = F6

NO COCKPIT = F8

INSIDE/OUTSIDE TOGGLE VIEW = BACKSPACE



PANNING YOUR VIEWPOINT = Several ways to do this: Joystick hatswitch; Mouse; or NUMPAD KEYS 1-9 as follows:



VIEWPOINTS WITH NUMPAD KEYS - with these the viewpoint moves as indicated and stays there. Press NUMPAD 5 to re-center

RE-CENTER VIEW = NUMPAD 5

LOOK UP = NUMPAD 8

LOOK DOWN = NUMPAD 2

LOOK LEFT/RIGHT = NUMPAD 4 or NUMPAD 5

LOOK UP & LEFT OR UP & RIGHT = NUMPAD 7 or NUMPAD 9

LOOK DOWN & LEFT OR DOWN & RIGHT = NUMPAD 1 or NUMPAD 3



GLANCE LEFT/RIGHT = INSERT or PAGEUP

GLANCE BACK & LEFT or BACK & RIGHT = DELETE or PAGE DOWN



ZOOM IN/OUT FIELD OF VIEW * = CTRL+NUMPAD PLUS or CTRL+NUMPAD MINUS

* NOTE: Adjust your min/max and other FOV settings in the OPTIONS&gt;&gt;&gt;ADV. FIELD OF VIEW menu



EXIT GAME = ALT+X



PADLOCK CENTER OBJECT - THE "S" KEY:

The PADLOCK CENTER OBJECT (also called the "S" key function) is extremely useful and I use it all the time. I have one of my joystick buttons programmed to the letter "S" as I use it so frequently.

IMPORTANT: This function of drawing the box with the "S" key will ONLY work if Draw Padlock Centre Box is selected in the ADVANCED&gt;&gt;&gt;GAME menu.

It is also important to understand that the red box drawn using the "S" key is NOT the same thing as the padlock diamond. As listed at the top of this thread, in order to see the padlock diamond once an object has been padlocked, press SHIFT+T. This only toggles the drawing of the diamond on or off, not the actual padlocking of objects. You can thus have a plane padlocked but the diamond will not be drawn - if you wish. Once a plane is padlocked, the ENTER key toggles on and off the padlock of the very same plane until you padlock a different plane.


HOW THE "S" KEY WORKS:

When you press AND HOLD the "S" key, a red box is drawn in the center of your view. If an enemy plane is within the box and you then release the "S" key, that plane is now padlocked.

Another really cool feature is that the red box can be MOVED around the screen. While pressing AND holding down the "S" key, move the box around the screen by:

- moving the joystick hat switch to pan the view

- move your mouse to pan the view

- use the numpad keys 1 through 9 to move the viewpoint (numpad 5 returns to the centered view)

- if you have Naturalpoint's Track IR, wherever you are looking the box will also be moved

The red box will thus move wherever you are panning your view. So you can "look" the red box anywhere on the screen at an enemy plane you wish to padlock, when the plane is within the box release the "S" key and it will be so.


The SIZE of the red box can also be changed. This is in the ADVANCED&gt;&gt;&gt;FIELD OF VIEW menu using the PC CENTER PITCH AND PC HEADING values.

The default values are 10. Larger is a bigger box, smaller is a smaller box. Don't make the box too big because if there are multiple A/C within the box at the moment you release the "S" key, the one you wanted may not be the one that is padlocked. The larger the box, the more frequent you will have multiple planes within it. Too small and it is too hard to get the box over the plane. You can cycle through different A/C within the box - simply press hold and release the "S" key repeatedly until the plane you want is the one padlocked.



Hope this is of some use. It is just a small start as the game has many options and features.

We also have the "best" 300+ page Users Manual for any game I have seen (no for profit company could afford to do one) for your late night review. The key card is also included. It is included in the 2.06 download (docs folder in the BobII root folder).

buddye1
05-21-2007, 10:49 AM
I think we will have all our Shockwave forum regisrations up to date today as the volunteer has returned from his issue.

If we could just get rid of the spammers....

stalkervision
05-21-2007, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I went through everything including the registry, and, believe it or not, the Add/Remove did it all EXCEPT for for the Symantec folder (for updates) in Programs. There are three files in that folder which cannot be deleted, the %%##@!!! You will doubtlessly want to do your own clearing op just to be sure there are no "snipers" holed up somewhere. Cheers, Monty

P.S. I fixed the Hampden screwup on the FSX thread </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where do I find the Symantec folder? Is it easy to see which files in there are part of the Norman antivirus program?
[Edit, I re-read the post, I see that you can't get rid of those folders files, right?]

(Yes I saw the nice Hampdon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can make it so it no longer causes trouble(thank god) but some of the folders are very hard to find and also to delete. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

major_setback
05-21-2007, 11:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buddye1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:


All I need now is a bomba and some boffins from Bletchley to puzzle out the cryptic key mapping descriptions... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know. If anyone can give me some tips I would be grateful.
1.How do you set it up so you can padlock and unpadlock as in FB? Can you set it to padlock on the nearest plane infront of you (not the nearest one ex. behind you).
2. How do you set 'snap' pan viewing ie: pan so that the view springs back to the front when you release the hat-switch?
3. can you zoom in your view from in the cockpit, how?

[I am waiting for my registrationon the Shockwave forum to come through, or I would ask there] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is some info from SeaVee. He is our usual forum helper but he is on vacation so you are stuck with me filling in (yes, small taem again).

A quick recap of some of the various padlock and view keys and the "S" key - Padlock Center function.

Key commands are in ITALICS



PADLOCK TOGGLE = ENTER - this toggles on or off the padlock of whatever plane you have padlocked. Once you have a plane padlocked, hit ENTER and the padlock will turn off. Hit ENTER again and the same plane as before will be padlocked. This command does NOT cycle the padlock from one plane to the next.

BREAK PADLOCK = ESC - this breaks the current padlock

PADLOCK DIAMOND - DRAW OR DON'T DRAW = SHIFT+T - this command toggles on or off the drawing of the padlock diamond. It is NOT the command to padlock, rather only whether or not the red diamond is drawn or not over the plane that is padlocked. In other words, you can have a plane padlocked but choose whether or not to have the diamond drawn around it.

LABELS ON/OFF = L - toggles on/off the aircraft labels



ENEMY VIEWS:

NEAREST ENEMY = CTRL+F1 - padlocks the nearest enemy aircraft

NEXT ENEMY = F1 - padlocks the next enemy aircraft

PREVIOUS ENEMY = SHIFT+F1 - padlocks the previous enemy aircraft





FRIENDLY VIEWS:

NEAREST FRIENDLY = CTRL+F2 - padlocks the nearest friendly aircraft

NEXT FRIENDLY = F2 - padlocks the next friendly aircraft

PREVIOUS FRIENDLY = SHIFT+F2 - padlocks the previous friendly aircraft





GROUND TARGETS:

NEAREST GROUND TARGET = CTRL+F3 - padlocks the nearest ground target

NEXT GROUND TARGET = F3 - padlocks the next ground target

PREVIOUS GROUND TARGET = SHIFT+F3 - padlocks the previous ground target



WAYPOINTS:

NEXT WAYPOINT = F4 - padlocks the next waypoint

PREVIOUS WAYPOINT = SHIFT+F4 - padlocks the previous waypoint



COCKPIT VIEW = F7

OUTSIDE VIEW = F6

NO COCKPIT = F8

INSIDE/OUTSIDE TOGGLE VIEW = BACKSPACE



PANNING YOUR VIEWPOINT = Several ways to do this: Joystick hatswitch; Mouse; or NUMPAD KEYS 1-9 as follows:



VIEWPOINTS WITH NUMPAD KEYS - with these the viewpoint moves as indicated and stays there. Press NUMPAD 5 to re-center

RE-CENTER VIEW = NUMPAD 5

LOOK UP = NUMPAD 8

LOOK DOWN = NUMPAD 2

LOOK LEFT/RIGHT = NUMPAD 4 or NUMPAD 5

LOOK UP & LEFT OR UP & RIGHT = NUMPAD 7 or NUMPAD 9

LOOK DOWN & LEFT OR DOWN & RIGHT = NUMPAD 1 or NUMPAD 3



GLANCE LEFT/RIGHT = INSERT or PAGEUP

GLANCE BACK & LEFT or BACK & RIGHT = DELETE or PAGE DOWN



ZOOM IN/OUT FIELD OF VIEW * = CTRL+NUMPAD PLUS or CTRL+NUMPAD MINUS

* NOTE: Adjust your min/max and other FOV settings in the OPTIONS&gt;&gt;&gt;ADV. FIELD OF VIEW menu



EXIT GAME = ALT+X



PADLOCK CENTER OBJECT - THE "S" KEY:

The PADLOCK CENTER OBJECT (also called the "S" key function) is extremely useful and I use it all the time. I have one of my joystick buttons programmed to the letter "S" as I use it so frequently.

IMPORTANT: This function of drawing the box with the "S" key will ONLY work if Draw Padlock Centre Box is selected in the ADVANCED&gt;&gt;&gt;GAME menu.

It is also important to understand that the red box drawn using the "S" key is NOT the same thing as the padlock diamond. As listed at the top of this thread, in order to see the padlock diamond once an object has been padlocked, press SHIFT+T. This only toggles the drawing of the diamond on or off, not the actual padlocking of objects. You can thus have a plane padlocked but the diamond will not be drawn - if you wish. Once a plane is padlocked, the ENTER key toggles on and off the padlock of the very same plane until you padlock a different plane.


HOW THE "S" KEY WORKS:

When you press AND HOLD the "S" key, a red box is drawn in the center of your view. If an enemy plane is within the box and you then release the "S" key, that plane is now padlocked.

Another really cool feature is that the red box can be MOVED around the screen. While pressing AND holding down the "S" key, move the box around the screen by:

- moving the joystick hat switch to pan the view

- move your mouse to pan the view

- use the numpad keys 1 through 9 to move the viewpoint (numpad 5 returns to the centered view)

- if you have Naturalpoint's Track IR, wherever you are looking the box will also be moved

The red box will thus move wherever you are panning your view. So you can "look" the red box anywhere on the screen at an enemy plane you wish to padlock, when the plane is within the box release the "S" key and it will be so.


The SIZE of the red box can also be changed. This is in the ADVANCED&gt;&gt;&gt;FIELD OF VIEW menu using the PC CENTER PITCH AND PC HEADING values.

The default values are 10. Larger is a bigger box, smaller is a smaller box. Don't make the box too big because if there are multiple A/C within the box at the moment you release the "S" key, the one you wanted may not be the one that is padlocked. The larger the box, the more frequent you will have multiple planes within it. Too small and it is too hard to get the box over the plane. You can cycle through different A/C within the box - simply press hold and release the "S" key repeatedly until the plane you want is the one padlocked.



Hope this is of some use. It is just a small start as the game has many options and features.

We also have the "best" 300+ page Users Manual for any game I have seen (no for profit company could afford to do one) for your late night review. The key card is also included. It is included in the 2.06 download (docs folder in the BobII root folder). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for that information! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I will post on the shockwave forums soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

slipBall
05-21-2007, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
buddye1 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The campaign will ask you if you want to fly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Care to explain this, I'm always a gunner...is there a box that I need to check off?...at what point does the campaign ask if I want to pilot </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you start the campaign you will see the map and the icons representing the RAF and Jerry. The computer will scramble aircraft to deal with any forming German formations. When it does this it will ask if you wish to allow the scramble and also if you wish to join. You can say no.

If you say no to joining the flight but let them scramble, the sim will ask if you want to join as pilot once the planes actually have contact with the enemy.

If you say yes you`ll be immediately taken to a new screen where get the choice of which plane you want to be in in the flight. I always start as tail end charlie (blue 3 or other) and slowly promote myself the longer I survive. The sim will then pop you into the air and then the madness begins.

If you want to be gunner (in a German bomber say) then you pick the plane and once in flight change to a gunner position.

IL2 is still the better sim for the whole feel of the aircraft, but its sterility is made up for by BOBwov. BOBwov has some amazing dynamic scenes that can happen.

For instance...

1. Having a swarm of 109s sweep at you over, below and to the sides. I mean like 20 or more over you in one go.

2. Being caught by a 109 boom and zoom attack from above and rear (the Jerries seriously like this move).

3. Taking on dozens of Stukas and just spraying the lot in the hope they all abandon the attack.

4. Realistic and and very big explosions with smoke stacks that are very much like real life.

5. The chatter is much more varied and immersive. I especially like the "Cheeky, beggar! It`s a Spitfire!" When our hurricanes bump into them while tangling with 109s.

6. Blah, blah, blah.

I do sometimes miss the clearer graphics of IL2 and the Russian front, but i`ll get back to that after my stint on Wov. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks for the tips, I'm having a good time now that I'm the pilot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

buddye1
05-22-2007, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
[I am waiting for my registrationon the Shockwave forum to come through, or I would ask there] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I managed to register just now (looks like I'm in anyway).

I registered a while back by completng the registry form, and waited for an e-mail that never came.

Today I sent an e-mail to the adress att he top of the forum, where it says 'send e-mail to register) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif including my user name, password, and e-mail adress that I'd submitted in the original registration (that was never confirmed).

Anyway, it only took a couple of hours before I got an e-mail confirmation that I'm registered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi and thanks for the note. We are a small group of volunteers who work on BOBII and provide our work for free and when someone has a problem and is missing in action our system stops or slows down. I am not sure how we lost your information the first time but we are trying to get this all fixed as it is just killing us.

We had an automated system that worked great until we were flooded by spammers, hackers, and bad stuff getting posted. We a a G-rated forum. Our manual system works and protects us but breaks when people have problems (as we all do).Thanks for trying again, I am glad it worked the second time.

BSS_Sniper
05-22-2007, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmm. I think what I really need is some good stick settings. It all seems a bit of a wobble-fest at the moment. I don't suppose anyone has any? (still not granted forum access). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I started a thread over at the Shockwave forums addressing the floating nose/wobble issue. I asked if there was a way to adjust input curves or something. We'll see if there is something that can be done. I hope so. As things are now, I don't feel that they are very stable.

Henkie327
05-22-2007, 04:33 PM
This game looks a lot more fun then IL2 1946. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(For offline anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

BSS_Sniper
05-22-2007, 04:59 PM
Here's a link to the thread I started about the stability of the BoB aircraft and their suggestions so far.

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7991

stalkervision
05-22-2007, 08:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
Here's a link to the thread I started about the stability of the BoB aircraft and their suggestions so far.

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7991 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure someone there will help you figure it out. It isn't the game that is for sure. I have never ever seen the floating you mention except when the "head bobing" option is checked..

major_setback
06-11-2007, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmm. I think what I really need is some good stick settings. It all seems a bit of a wobble-fest at the moment. I don't suppose anyone has any? (still not granted forum access). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Did you get this sorted out? I'm suffereing from terrible wobble at the moment, and that's before I've even started my computer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif. Really am having a hard tiome aiming though with the plane gyrating that way.

[edit: I just saw that link to the shockwaves forum thread, but I would say that what I'm experiencing is NOT head bobbing. The plane itself is moving. We have head bobbing in FB too, and it's not a problem. The plane feels very unstable, it's waving all over the place as if about to stall due to low speed, just like in one of the past FB patches we had (4.03m?).]

buddye1
06-11-2007, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmm. I think what I really need is some good stick settings. It all seems a bit of a wobble-fest at the moment. I don't suppose anyone has any? (still not granted forum access). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you get this sorted out? I'm suffereing from terrible wobble at the moment, and that's before I've even started my computer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif. Really am having a hard tiome aiming though with the plane gyrating that way.

[edit: I just saw that link to the shockwaves forum thread, but I would say that what I'm experiencing is NOT head bobbing. The plane itself is moving. We have head bobbing in FB too, and it's not a problem. The plane feels very unstable, it's waving all over the place as if about to stall due to low speed, just like in one of the past FB patches we had (4.03m?).] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Major Setback, first sorry for the issue.

The short honest answer is we are working on the oscilations (unless I have misunderstood you issue). The Spit was not exactly the most stable gun platform based on our research but we think we may have a problem.

Which A/C you want it for? The Spit?

Here is some work in progress we are working on to damp out the oscillations but remember we are shooting/modeling for realistic.

You are wecome to try it if you want.

The file is for the Spitfire1A only. Place the file in your BOBII root folder in the models folder. Backup or rename your old file first.

If you try it let us know what you think?

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/bob_dev/Spitfire1A.rar


Here is a note from Blue six our FM volunteer (I am just a coder volunteer, mostly AI).

I think you're right in questioning the Spit's side to side nose oscillations. I've been investigating this for the past month or so. Near as I can see, there's not enough yaw damping in place to cope with the momentum, once movement in yaw is established.

Here's a link to the NACA wartime report on flying qualities of the Spit MkV.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19...92582_1993092582.pdf (http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930092582_1993092582.pdf)

Have a look at the paragraph called "Characteristics of Uncontrolled Lateral and Directional Motion" - this describes the sort of response to rudder kicks that we should see in a sim.

We're no where near that level of damping yet, with the 2.06 FM. I suspect the problem may be that the moments of inertia assigned to the model are excessively large - too large for the damping forces that are available. The modified Spit 1A FM (above), is an recent attempt to investigate this possibility. I think it shows improvement in yaw damping, however MOI is a key variable in the FM, and much more work is needed to ensure that reducing the MOI will not have adverse effects somewhere else.

Stay tuned.

blue six

Does this sound like what you are seeing? Are you flying a Spit?

major_setback
06-11-2007, 12:51 PM
I think I was mainly flying a Bf109 yesterday, seeing that 'swing', but I will check again in a couple of days when I get time. Thanks for the response.

Old_Canuck
06-11-2007, 07:26 PM
buddye1 if you're still checking in here, does BoB WoV display ok on three monitors? I know it has TIR 6DoF but haven't seen anything posted on displays. My apologies if this question has already been asked.

buddye1
06-11-2007, 07:39 PM
Yes, I am still flying 1946 and check in to get hints and help. I am enjoying myself before I start a new BOBII project for our 2.07.

I have seen BobII run as the triple header (a new hardware box that supports 3 displays) but I am not sure that is what you asking.

I will need to ask around and get back to you.

SeaVee
06-11-2007, 08:17 PM
@ Old_Canuck:

Yes, Bob2 works on Triple Head with three monitors:

http://wsgfmedia.com/uploads/paddywak/screenshots/bob-2/bob-5-T.jpg

http://wsgfmedia.com/uploads/paddywak/screenshots/bob-2/bob-3-T.jpg


http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7708

It also supports widescreen resolutions:
http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8046

Old_Canuck
06-11-2007, 09:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaVee:
@ Old_Canuck:

Yes, Bob2 works on Triple Head with three monitors:

http://wsgfmedia.com/uploads/paddywak/screenshots/bob-2/bob-5-T.jpg

http://wsgfmedia.com/uploads/paddywak/screenshots/bob-2/bob-3-T.jpg


http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7708

It also supports widescreen resolutions:
http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8046 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thx buddeye1 and SeaVee. This answers my question.

jamesdietz
06-12-2007, 09:41 AM
I've been playing this more & more( despite a rush of CTD's on my older pcthat Buddye is helping me solve...) and I have to say it is addictive..just a hair more immersive than Il-2...maybe its the sound & radio chatter,or maybe its better with the ButtKicker ????The campaign mode is a bit more involving as well ...esp the interceptions.
One thing I haven't found all that wonderful is the Vector factor with Track IR..Oh its nice when you are flogging the old kite around all by yourself on a Summer Day above England with the cockpit open,but in combat ,getting things all lined up(i.e. centering TrackIR clip infront of Track IR dingus is ,I find, counter intuitive...I use centering button a lot...but shooting & hitting is much tougher than Il-2...much tougher( maybe more realistic??)
I'm not crazy about the keyboard funstion layout either...I am so used to the common sense functions of Il-2 esp. when it comes to viewing yours & other aircraft ,or fast forwarding,or automatic piloting & viewing other aircraft...just as an aside ,as an artist, I just hate the default views or aircraft in BoBII which suffer from wide angle lense distortion .You can back off a bit from this view , but you don't have the options Il-2 has of view point...or seeing other action while you put your a/c on auto pilot..at least than I've been able to easily discover...
But in its OWN way it is very pretty & really really has improved from whay originally came out of the box..I will continue to putter along with it.
Ironically I probably won't be able to get the most out of it until I buy a new rig ,and I won't buy a new rig until Oleg's boB comes out and then guess what i'll be playing????

Doolittle81
06-12-2007, 11:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesdietz:
...
I'm not crazy about the keyboard funstion layout either...I am so used to the common sense functions of Il-2 esp. when it comes to viewing yours & other aircraft ,or fast forwarding,or automatic piloting & viewing other aircraft...just as an aside ,as an artist, I just hate the default views or aircraft in BoBII which suffer from wide angle lense distortion .You can back off a bit from this view , but you don't have the options Il-2 has of view point...or seeing other action while you put your a/c on auto pilot..at least than I've been able to easily discover...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jim,

I've finally begun flying BofB II WOV 2.06 and I share your frustration with the Commands, Keyboard setup etc. I spent 5 or 6 hours yesterday, alone, trying to map keys. BofB II simply won't implement my selected Joystick button Command Assignments...I had weanted to use the same/similar button assgnments in BobII as I have been using in IL2, but no go. I also hate that I can't figure out how to go easily to external views, of friendly and enemy acft, etc. I've even had illogical inabilities of BofB to accept some/many "Keyboard" assignements for reasons which escape me.

Question:Concerning "Game/Arcade-like" features, how do I get rid of the Ball in the upper right corner? Can the acft icons along the edges be eliminated? Can the text info be eliminated? Feel free to just tell me to RTFM...I've not yet done that thoroughly.

I've 90% solved my TIR4 setup and use in BofBII. I do LOVE 6DOF..the novelty of sticking ones had out the side of the cockpit with the noise of the wind,etc, is very cool...I was thinking of mounting a powerful fan on my desk/monitor so that I can flip it on as I stick my head out, getting that strong wind in my face. Immersion, baby, immersion!

Also on the good side of things, there is something different/immersive in the aerial engagements which I do Not feel in IL2. Hard to describe, though.

For anyone reading this, I have horrible sky graphics (striated appearance) and my acft in external view constantly shakes/stutters..graphically speaking, not Flight model or flying effects. I have cutting edge Puter and Graphics card, so I don't understand. I've even lowered graphics options in game, but the shudders persist.

There is a learning curve with this new Flightsim, but I think I will be thoroughly enjoying the "Strategic Campaign" play whether or not I resolve my 3D flight graphics disappointments.

My Rig:
ASUS P5N32-E SLI
Dual core E6700 Cpu
2GB OCZ PC2 8800 (1100Mhz) RAM
BFG 8800GTX Graphics card
Audigy2 ZS
4 Seagate 400GB hard drives in a 0+1 RAID array
Plextor PX-800A
Samsung SyncMaster 244T 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor 1920X1200 native resolution
Windows VISTA 32bit

Doolittle81
06-12-2007, 11:58 AM
P.S. Is there no way to Alt-Tab out of the game...or some other control...in order to do something else with the Puter, then return to the game? When I try to opt out of the game like that, I get an error-type message saying "Do Not try to Alt-Tab out..."...and the Game is then locked up with no option other than for Windows to shut it down totally.

JG52Uther
06-12-2007, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doolittle81:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesdietz:
...
I'm not crazy about the keyboard funstion layout either...I am so used to the common sense functions of Il-2 esp. when it comes to viewing yours & other aircraft ,or fast forwarding,or automatic piloting & viewing other aircraft...just as an aside ,as an artist, I just hate the default views or aircraft in BoBII which suffer from wide angle lense distortion .You can back off a bit from this view , but you don't have the options Il-2 has of view point...or seeing other action while you put your a/c on auto pilot..at least than I've been able to easily discover...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jim,

I've finally begun flying BofB II WOV 2.06 and I share your frustration with the Commands, Keyboard setup etc. I spent 5 or 6 hours yesterday, alone, trying to map keys. BofB II simply won't implement my selected Joystick button Command Assignments...I had weanted to use the same/similar button assgnments in BobII as I have been using in IL2, but no go. I also hate that I can't figure out how to go easily to external views, of friendly and enemy acft, etc. I've even had illogical inabilities of BofB to accept some/many "Keyboard" assignements for reasons which escape me.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
+1 After IL2 I find the key command interface a major PITA

ICDP
06-12-2007, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
+1 After IL2 I find the key command interface a major PITA </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correction, the key command interface has been a major PITA since well before IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Remember it is based on the original Rowan's BoB and the command interface is still the same. It is a pain to get the commands/keys setup to ones liking but it is worth the effort.

The Shockwave team are mostly volunteers who do this for the love of the sim. Unfortunately this means that the controls setup are not a big priority to simplify.

Hkuusela
06-12-2007, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doolittle81:
Question:Concerning "Game/Arcade-like" features, how do I get rid of the Ball in the upper right corner? Can the acft icons along the edges be eliminated? Can the text info be eliminated? Feel free to just tell me to RTFM...I've not yet done that thoroughly.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Try the options menu. Go --&gt; Adv. --&gt; Game and uncheck the "Enable EPI" box. Then go --&gt; views --&gt; Info line and choose OFF and --&gt; views --&gt; peripheral vision --&gt; choose OFF.

Hope this helps. For further help I sincerely recommend the Schockwave forum at http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/index.php .

buddye1
06-12-2007, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ICDP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
+1 After IL2 I find the key command interface a major PITA </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correction, the key command interface has been a major PITA since well before IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Remember it is based on the original Rowan's BoB and the command interface is still the same. It is a pain to get the commands/keys setup to ones liking but it is worth the effort.

The Shockwave team are mostly volunteers who do this for the love of the sim. Unfortunately this means that the controls setup are not a big priority to simplify. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, that is sadly corect. We the BDG at BOBII are a small volunteer group doing BOBII for the fun of it. We have a hard time developing new features/capabilities and supporting or current customers. Sorry, tough being small.

We have focus on stability and AI performance as top priority for the last 18 months. We are now looking at new features which include (new sound, landscape, objects, weather,and MP).

It would be great if one our very experienced and creative IL2 friends would volunteer to work on a set of BOBII key assignments which would map BOBII keys to the best fit IL2 keys. Then when one of our IL2 freinds wanted to fly BOBII we would have it and it would be close to what he is use to.

Just PM me if interested in helping. I can give you a file of all the BoBII key commands but I do not have the time for all the testing and comparing so that a new BOBII customer from the IL2 would be happy.

tagTaken2
06-12-2007, 09:05 PM
Key commands... some of the descriptions are a bit abtruse (AROTDWNLEFT???), but I just setup my joystick profile for the same buttonpress as Il-2. So, think of the command you use normally, find the combination in BoB and map it to your stick. Is this helpful? I'm too pissed to tell.

BoBII is now a world away from the buggy PoS I originally purchased. I'm having the same reaction I initally did to Il0-2

major_setback
06-13-2007, 06:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tagTaken2:
Key commands... some of the descriptions are a bit abtruse (AROTDWNLEFT???), but I just setup my joystick profile for the same buttonpress as Il-2. So, think of the command you use normally, find the combination in BoB and map it to your stick. Is this helpful? I'm too pissed to tell.

BoBII is now a world away from the buggy PoS I originally purchased. I'm having the same reaction I initally did to Il0-2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the tip. I had also noticed that in the key assignment section it's difficult to understand what some of the commands are supposed to be.

I have a problem programming views, I use a Swedish keyboard as I live in Sweden (different letters and keyboard layout). I had no problem programming my keyboard/joystick for the FB series, but for WoV the keyboard keys don't match the comands they are supposed to. example: Insert/home/page up keys don't perform the view commands they should do, so even if I map 'page up' to the correct hat-switch position of my MSFF2 in the Sidewinder Control Center it shows the wrong view when pressed, or won't work. I have tried all the keys near the ones in question without luck, these are the commands I can't map and can't find on the keyboard (from the link in an above post on views)

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">GLANCE LEFT/RIGHT = INSERT or PAGEUP

GLANCE BACK & LEFT or BACK & RIGHT = DELETE or PAGE DOWN
</span>

[note: my keyboard is written in english, the keys insert/home/page up/delete/end/page down are all present, it's just that they don't perform the view functions they are supposed to.]

It's not a big problem though, but I thought it worth mentioning. I just use the keypad numbers mapped to the hat-switch now, and that works OK.

major_setback
06-13-2007, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buddye1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Hmm. I think what I really need is some good stick settings. It all seems a bit of a wobble-fest at the moment. I don't suppose anyone has any? (still not granted forum access). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you get this sorted out? I'm suffereing from terrible wobble at the moment, and that's before I've even started my computer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif. Really am having a hard tiome aiming though with the plane gyrating that way.

[edit: I just saw that link to the shockwaves forum thread, but I would say that what I'm experiencing is NOT head bobbing. The plane itself is moving. We have head bobbing in FB too, and it's not a problem. The plane feels very unstable, it's waving all over the place as if about to stall due to low speed, just like in one of the past FB patches we had (4.03m?).] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Major Setback, first sorry for the issue.

The short honest answer is we are working on the oscilations (unless I have misunderstood you issue). The Spit was not exactly the most stable gun platform based on our research but we think we may have a problem.

Which A/C you want it for? The Spit?

Here is some work in progress we are working on to damp out the oscillations but remember we are shooting/modeling for realistic.

You are wecome to try it if you want.

The file is for the Spitfire1A only. Place the file in your BOBII root folder in the models folder. Backup or rename your old file first.

If you try it let us know what you think?

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/bob_dev/Spitfire1A.rar


Here is a note from Blue six our FM volunteer (I am just a coder volunteer, mostly AI).

I think you're right in questioning the Spit's side to side nose oscillations. I've been investigating this for the past month or so. Near as I can see, there's not enough yaw damping in place to cope with the momentum, once movement in yaw is established.

Here's a link to the NACA wartime report on flying qualities of the Spit MkV.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19...92582_1993092582.pdf (http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930092582_1993092582.pdf)

Have a look at the paragraph called "Characteristics of Uncontrolled Lateral and Directional Motion" - this describes the sort of response to rudder kicks that we should see in a sim.

We're no where near that level of damping yet, with the 2.06 FM. I suspect the problem may be that the moments of inertia assigned to the model are excessively large - too large for the damping forces that are available. The modified Spit 1A FM (above), is an recent attempt to investigate this possibility. I think it shows improvement in yaw damping, however MOI is a key variable in the FM, and much more work is needed to ensure that reducing the MOI will not have adverse effects somewhere else.

Stay tuned.

blue six

Does this sound like what you are seeing? Are you flying a Spit? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did some more flying and can say that the problem I experience shows up a lot when I'm flying the Bf109. I find it very hard to keep the cross-hairs on the target, wheras in FB the aircraft are far more steady. I have no idea which is most accurate of the two games, so I don't mean to say that it's innacurate, but it is very hard to aim - harder than I think it could be.

Part of the problem seems to me that the force feedback from the MSFF2 stick seems quite low, I mean the centering tension (gun shake etc are quite high). It's hard to hold the stick steady when the tension is so loose (I've got the FF box ticked in the graphics options).
I wonder is there any way to increase FF, I've set it to maximum in the Sidewinder Central setup?

major_setback
06-13-2007, 06:49 AM
Another question in case anyone is listening http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
Can you set the game to be able to fire guns using one joystick button, and cannon using another? It looks to me like you have to switch between weapon types using a key command.

buddye1
06-13-2007, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
Another question in case anyone is listening http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
Can you set the game to be able to fire guns using one joystick button, and cannon using another? It looks to me like you have to switch between weapon types using a key command. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I have not gotten to that one (to code in a seperate button for MG and cannon). It is on the list of new features needing a code change, sorry. You can switch from MG, to Cannons, to MG and cannons by using the "N" key.

I will ask SeaVee to answer you FF question as he has the same stick as you have. I do remember that a way to do it but I have a CH rig with no FF.

SeaVee
06-13-2007, 06:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">.....I did some more flying and can say that the problem I experience shows up a lot when I'm flying the Bf109. I find it very hard to keep the cross-hairs on the target, wheras in FB the aircraft are far more steady. I have no idea which is most accurate of the two games, so I don't mean to say that it's innacurate, but it is very hard to aim - harder than I think it could be.

Part of the problem seems to me that the force feedback from the MSFF2 stick seems quite low, I mean the centering tension (gun shake etc are quite high). It's hard to hold the stick steady when the tension is so loose (I've got the FF box ticked in the graphics options).
I wonder is there any way to increase FF, I've set it to maximum in the Sidewinder Central setup? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Major Setback,

Yes, the oscillations are being worked on and its sometimes a bit hard to keep on target. Hopefully they will have a solution soon. The BoB2 controller setup is admittedly a little complicated and clunky - especially compared to IL2s which I think is more intuitive. That and you also probably know the latter inside out... Fortunately once squared away you are not having to mess with it often...

I actually don't find the oscillation all that bad but it is there and part of it is that I am much more "used to" the BoB2 FMs which are just different from IL2. Until a more substantive improvement on the oscillation is devised by the Devs (soon I think) in the meantime there might be some things which can help.



Other than within the Sidewinder Controller software I am not aware of how to adjust the level of FF within the game. You can turn on/off FF level of various functions as per the screenie below:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/RaisingCane/BoB2%20stuff/FFscreen.jpg

I prefer to leave all the forces on.

Another thing to try as far as the wobble that might be excacerbated when firing with FFB is on due to inadvertent rudder and/or elevator shake is to increase the rudder and elevator deadzones a bit as per this screenie:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/RaisingCane/BoB2%20stuff/deadzone.jpg

Also when you apply rudder, don't "kick it" or twist and just let go instantly. Release the twist as smoothly as you initially applied it.


Separate from or in addition to adjusting the deadzone within the game controller setup, you may want to do it using the Sidewinder controller software itself:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/RaisingCane/BoB2%20stuff/SidewinderFFB2.jpg

Here is how I have my forces set for BoB2 with my profile for the game:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/RaisingCane/BoB2%20stuff/FFBscreen.jpg

You are welcome to try my MSFFB2 profile for BoB2 here: http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8024

Sorry if all this may have beeen pretty basic and you likely know all this already since you are certainly not new to simming.... Hope this helps a bit anyway.

Doolittle81
06-13-2007, 07:01 PM
I have a logitech FFB stick. BOB II doesn't seem to recognize it...I do not get the FF options when I select Custom.

My FFB with the stick in IL2 is just fine.

Any help out there?

Doolittle81
06-13-2007, 07:06 PM
I've been flying Instant Action mission in BOB II. Something very odd about teh flight models or control responses...The aricraft often go into a hard descending bank all the way down to a crash...Several times I deduced that I must have been shot by enemy fighter or bomber gunner....but still, in dogfighting the control response seems very sluggish at times... Just not at all the same feeling as in IL2. And i don't seem to be able to outturn (turn inside) ANY AI acft. Could be me, of course.


P.S. How do I get an FPS reading?

SeaVee
06-13-2007, 08:18 PM
Doolittle, I dont have a Logitech FFB stick.

If anything, many people used to IL2 find the Bob2 FMs much more twitchy and far from sluggish. From what you are describing though, it sounds like your stick is not giving full deflection (travel) of the control surfaces. The fact that you say can't turn inside any of the AI A/C almost makes me certain of this.

If possible, please register at shockwave and post for help on this there in the Tech Support section. In many case you have an answer within minutes. I am 100% sure others have your same stick and can give you more specific feedback.

I have not heard of any problems as you describe however, so I really think its something with the calibration of your stick within BoB2. Not saying your stick is broken but there is likely some quirk with getting it set right for the game within the control setup.

Have you tried resetting the controls to their default settings? My MSFFB has always registered dead on accurate in the game....

FPS counter is SHIFT+F. FPS in BoB2 is very different than in IL2. There are many threads on tweaking graphics settings over at SW. Whatever you do do not set Particle Density above Medium. Weather and Water on High are big FPS hitters, especially in "Poor" and "Inclement" weather missions unless you have a pretty strong rig. See the 3rd post in this thread at SimHQ for some GFX recommendations: http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&...3&page=1#Post2231243 (http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2231243&page=1#Post2231243)

buddye1
06-13-2007, 08:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doolittle81:
I have a logitech FFB stick. BOB II doesn't seem to recognize it...I do not get the FF options when I select Custom.

My FFB with the stick in IL2 is just fine.

Any help out there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I recommend you post at Shockwave so some the logitech joystick guys can give you a hand. I have a CH rig and SeaVee has a Microsoft FF.

I have heard no no issues with the game not assigning FF on FF joysticks if the FF is working correctly.

If you have your stick configured and are flying in Instant Action missions then you will need to get use to the BOBII FM. It is not the same as the IL2 FM. It will not feel the same.

During the dog fighting the FM should be responsive but different than the IL2. I have had the same problem adjusting to the IL2 FM as a new player. It takes some practice and time.

I am not sure which A/C you are flying but the Spit and 109 were fairly equal A/C in dogfighting.

Start with the 1-on-1 and then when confortable try the 12-on-12 Random Advantage.

buddye1
06-13-2007, 10:16 PM
Hi Guys, for anyone interested. Here is a list of all the BOBI Key commands and a very short description of each.

http://www.caricatureaircraftpictures.com/full%20commands%20BoBII.pdf

We are trying to get someone to expand the descriptions but It requires some time and testing.

Thought this may help some.

major_setback
06-14-2007, 03:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buddye1:
Hi Guys, for anyone interested. Here is a list of all the BOBI Key commands and a very short description of each.

http://www.caricatureaircraftpictures.com/full%20commands%20BoBII.pdf

We are trying to get someone to expand the descriptions but It requires some time and testing.

Thought this may help some. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks a lot for that, and thanks to Sea Vee for the information, I will try those in-game dead zones, and use a light hand on the rudder! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
06-14-2007, 04:40 AM
If you can't outurn a 109 in a spit or hurricane in the game something is way off... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I believe this happened to me once and it came down to joystick deflection settings. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mysticpuma2003
06-14-2007, 06:18 AM
See what I really like about threads like this, is a sense of Community http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

This is not a 1C game, but people here with a love of WW2 sims/games, can speak openly about another developers game, bugs and fixes, and nobody stamps on and deletes the thread.

It's almost like....well....a community of people who want to appreciate what WW2 flying was all about, not just a flame war about how great one is over the other!

Threads like this make me happy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well done guys.

Cheers, MP.

stalkervision
06-14-2007, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
See what I really like about threads like this, is a sense of Community http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

This is not a 1C game, but people here with a love of WW2 sims/games, can speak openly about another developers game, bugs and fixes, and nobody stamps on and deletes the thread.

It's almost like....well....a community of people who want to appreciate what WW2 flying was all about, not just a flame war about how great one is over the other!

Threads like this make me happy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well done guys.

Cheers, MP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Become a member of "shockwave forums" buddy even if you don't own BOB. We are one big happy family over there.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

btw we all have "duel citizenship" with maddox forums and enjoy Il-2 the same as you do.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

jamesdietz
06-16-2007, 10:10 AM
Oh yeah & your flight flys a tight formation as well...like Hornet Squadron in "Piece of Cake" almost..
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/1a.jpg

stalkervision
06-16-2007, 11:05 AM
Very nice pic Jamesdietz! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

SeaVee
06-16-2007, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tagTaken2:
Key commands... some of the descriptions are a bit abtruse (AROTDWNLEFT???), but I just setup my joystick profile for the same buttonpress as Il-2. So, think of the command you use normally, find the combination in BoB and map it to your stick. Is this helpful? I'm too pissed to tell.


BoBII is now a world away from the buggy PoS I originally purchased. I'm having the same reaction I initally did to Il0-2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the game was terribly buggy at initial release and its a shame it got out that way....

And yes, short names of the key commands are waay too cryptic and confusing. The pic below may help you decipher some of it - although some of the expanded description also could be better (beats a few letters though):

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/RaisingCane/KeyMapping800X600.jpg

@Mysticpuma:

I saw your absolutely fantastic movie 'Not My Time To Die'. Truly superb work. Tells a great true story and shows some of the the gaming goodness of Il2.

Having done a pathetic couple short videos of a few minutes only with just a soundtrack overlay I know how much effort and time you guys must have put into that. Kudos to you and the others who did that video. I posted about it over at Shockwave, hope thats OK: http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8271

major_setback
06-16-2007, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaVee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tagTaken2:
Key commands... some of the descriptions are a bit abtruse (AROTDWNLEFT???), but I just setup my joystick profile for the same buttonpress as Il-2. So, think of the command you use normally, find the combination in BoB and map it to your stick. Is this helpful? I'm too pissed to tell.


BoBII is now a world away from the buggy PoS I originally purchased. I'm having the same reaction I initally did to Il0-2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the game was terribly buggy at initial release and its a shame it got out that way....

And yes, short names of the key commands are waay too cryptic and confusing. The pic below may help you decipher some of it - although some of the expanded description also could be better (beats a few letters though):

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/RaisingCane/KeyMapping800X600.jpg

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, that helps a lot, I didn't notice the secondary explanation in the 'undertext'.

Hawgdog
06-17-2007, 04:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Hmmm pretty sure American carriers did not appear in the BoB Ivan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

(Please remind Oleg of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Avont29
06-18-2007, 10:55 AM
well i got he 2.06 update, and installed the directx setup..(june 2007, not april 2007) and it just stops with the splash screen after i choose take off training, it jsut freezes there, no loading or anything pls help, and i can't get an accout on shockwave

i've played this game b4, but not with the 2.06 patch, i want to see how it is pls help

trumper
06-18-2007, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avont29:
well i got he 2.06 update, and installed the directx setup..(june 2007, not april 2007) and it just stops with the splash screen after i choose take off training, it jsut freezes there, no loading or anything pls help, and i can't get an accout on shockwave

i've played this game b4, but not with the 2.06 patch, i want to see how it is pls help </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifI will ask over at Shockwave for you,hold on. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

buddye1
06-18-2007, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avont29:
well i got he 2.06 update, and installed the directx setup..(june 2007, not april 2007) and it just stops with the splash screen after i choose take off training, it jsut freezes there, no loading or anything pls help, and i can't get an accout on shockwave

i've played this game b4, but not with the 2.06 patch, i want to see how it is pls help </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most of the problems we have had with hanging after the second fly (during the loading bar)have been caused by Virus or spy SW (Norton or Bit defender) preventing files from loading or bad installs (old installs or corrupted patch download).

When you get Reg at Shockwave we will get you sorted out. I have no idea about your pc specs so we will need to look at those.

trumper
06-18-2007, 03:31 PM
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buddye1
06-24-2007, 02:48 PM
Hi Guys, we put this referrence document together to (1.) text to explain in detail all our keys and (2.) recommend the closes/best key for IL2 to hopefully make it easier for our IL2 friends to get set up.

I recommed you save a copy and print it out:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8331

major_setback
06-24-2007, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buddye1:
Hi Guys, we put this referrence document together to (1.) text to explain in detail all our keys and (2.) recommend the closes/best key for IL2 to hopefully make it easier for our IL2 friends to get set up.

I recommed you save a copy and print it out:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8331 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

buddye1
06-25-2007, 10:49 AM
The 2.06.1 Update has been Released to customers.

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8338

After you read the announcement for 2.06.1, you will see that alot of work was done to prevent the aggressive AI from ganging up on the player and other AI's.

SOW will also have this issue as the very large number of LUF fighters and bombers in the famous BOB airbattles (200+ A/C), the RAF is almost always out numbered.

We also wanted to balance the kills to better meet the historical numbers and prevent the aggressive AI from following the RAF back to base and killing them which was not historic either.

SeaFireLIV
06-25-2007, 10:53 AM
Funny, I never had trouble with BOB and TIR, I just switched it on selected it and away I went. But then I never used that padlock because I considered it unrealistic.

Of course, there is an annoying downside as with IL2, I can`t order my wingmen to attack specific targets. In bob whenever I say `help`, cos a bogey`s attacking, I get told, `Can`t identify target`. It`s pity it doesn`t allow me to `point and look and command` like it does when I spot a load of bombers.

I might be forced to enable padlock... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

edit: Waaah! an update!

buddye1
06-25-2007, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Funny, I never had trouble with BOB and TIR, I just switched it on selected it and away I went. But then I never used that padlock because I considered it unrealistic.

Of course, there is an annoying downside as with IL2, I can`t order my wingmen to attack specific targets. In bob whenever I say `help`, cos a bogey`s attacking, I get told, `Can`t identify target`. It`s pity it doesn`t allow me to `point and look and command` like it does when I spot a load of bombers.

I might be forced to enable padlock... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

edit: Waaah! an update! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi SeaFireLIV,

I undersatnd your comment about padlock not being realistic but padlock is the only way to ID a specific target in a game (we do not have two way comm with the AI as yet).

The R-3-5 command is very useful. Just padlock the target (the attacker on your tail say) and then issue the R-3-5 command.

Your wingmen will attack your padlocked target.

SeaFireLIV
06-25-2007, 11:08 AM
Guess I`ll have to, Buddye. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ernst_Rohr
06-25-2007, 12:13 PM
Well, I have been poking around with this again since the new PC rebuild.

I got to admit, I love the SOUND! The engine and gun sounds are great!

And I got to admit, diving down into a huge bomber formation in a Hurri, guns blazing was a trip. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The new AI is quite challenging, and I was pleasantly surprised to see I could actually bounce the AI in BoB, that was a nice touch. Getting the AI off your tail has proven to be rather tough, they are some doggedly persistent suckers!

Biggest problem has been constantly recentering my TIR, and starting the damn planes! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Take off is certainly different from IL-2, its quite abrupt, but man 6dof in a low flying Hurri or Spit is pretty sweet, when you get to stick your head out of the pit and look around!

Im still seeing some random CTD's, but that may be my recent OS issues, I will see what happens after a clean reinstall.

M_Gunz
06-25-2007, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Funny, I never had trouble with BOB and TIR, I just switched it on selected it and away I went. But then I never used that padlock because I considered it unrealistic.

Of course, there is an annoying downside as with IL2, I can`t order my wingmen to attack specific targets. In bob whenever I say `help`, cos a bogey`s attacking, I get told, `Can`t identify target`. It`s pity it doesn`t allow me to `point and look and command` like it does when I spot a load of bombers.

I might be forced to enable padlock... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

edit: Waaah! an update! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many limits of hardware and software force unreal handicaps on flight simmers.
Narrow view is just one. So limited padlock is a way to get some of that back.
It depends on the game how much power the PL has. Even with EAW PL I found that
no way I was as fast as IRL eye movement, peripheral vision and turning head.
But it can find planes I would not in distance thanks to pixels and limited palette
and still some that I should not spot so far while at same time EAW did not lock
on enemy quite close but outside peripheral arc. I had once after PL closest and
nothing, turned right and there was enemy very close on my 4 getting ready to slide
behind me. PL *can* be enough to bridge the view by CRT gap without becoming AWACS.

buddye1
06-25-2007, 02:58 PM
Hi Ernst_Rohr,

CTD's on 2.06 have been very rare and I have fix most all of them (except the shader)on 2.06.1.

If you continue to get the CTD after you get your new PC set up, please check in at the Shockwave forum so we can help you and do a proper investigation. We are an all volunteer BDG (BOB Development Group)work force so we are dependent on the customers to assist us a bit to solve BOBII problems/isues. Thanks in advance.

Ernst_Rohr
06-25-2007, 03:07 PM
Hi buddye1,

Thanks for the response, I suspect the CTD has more to do with a buggy registry in my former XP install, and less to do with BoB.

I will find out after I reload Bob sometime tonight or tomorrow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for the response though!

buddye1
06-25-2007, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
Hi buddye1,

Thanks for the response, I suspect the CTD has more to do with a buggy registry in my former XP install, and less to do with BoB.

I will find out after I reload Bob sometime tonight or tomorrow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hi again Ernst_Rohr,

Do not mean to bug you but here is our recommended install procedure for our customers who have a tough time getting a solid install. We have had very good results with it todate:

REINSTALL PROCEDURE


Most of these issues are a result of a bad install or a bad/corrupted download of the 2.06 patch and MS self-loaders. The Key to getting off to a good start in BOBII is to do a well planned and executed install. We have had great success with the following procedure:

Please install both the BoBII game CD, 2.06 self-installer, and the MS 2.06 self-installer in "safe mode". If you do not know how to do a safe mode install, just do a search of windows help for "safe Mode" for instructions. The safe mode prevents any outside interventions like virus updates, popups, etc.

1. re-download the 2.06 and the MS (in case the first was corrupt)
2. Uninstall old version or BoBII
3. Defrag hard drive
4. Run a registry cleaner (like CC cleaner - a free program) as you had an old install of BobII
5. Delete all files except keyboard from the BoBII folder. These old files left by the uninstaller can cause issues with the new EXE.
6. Reinstall BoBII game CD (in Safe Mode)
7. Run 2.06 patch and MS self-loaders (only 2.06 patch and MS in safe mode)
8. JUST BEFORE PLAYING GAME, turn OFF Anti-virus, Spyware, and other unnecessary background programs as they can slow the game down and prevent files from loading (CTD), interrupt BoBII with pop-ups (etc,) and cause a CTD.

Start the game using default setting until you see how you're PC performs then you can change settings slowly one at a time.


Thanks for the response though! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ernst_Rohr
06-25-2007, 03:22 PM
Thanks, thats handy. I will give it a shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

buddye1
06-27-2007, 12:07 PM
Hi guys, thought you might be interested in a 5 minute video by a customer paying tribute to the BOBII developers. I never had a tribute before........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh9m6heKmOA