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discovery_il_2
07-06-2008, 07:28 AM
Ok I am sick of this plane ONLY thing that is good
about it is roll and ammo NOTHING more its chunky energy burning plane i cant beleve that much people like it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

discovery_il_2
07-06-2008, 07:28 AM
Ok I am sick of this plane ONLY thing that is good
about it is roll and ammo NOTHING more its chunky energy burning plane i cant beleve that much people like it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Pirschjaeger
07-06-2008, 07:35 AM
I'm not sure what you mean but I like it.

It sounds like you've tried flying it and have given up. It's probably the most unforgiving plane of the sim but if you stick with it and get used to it, the rewards are good.

VW-IceFire
07-06-2008, 07:53 AM
One of the best, most survivable, destructive planes in the game and you can use it (in different variations) and its techniques from 1942 through to 1945 without changing too much. Once you learn its capabilities it can be a truly devastating fighter. But its not easy to master.

Jaws2002
07-06-2008, 08:07 AM
Think of it not as a knight fighting a fair fight with witnesses and rules. Think of the FW-190 as an evil paid assassin that stalks his victim and hits him with a horrible death when none is looking and then disappears without a trace in a high speed dive, leaving everyone around horrified to what just happened.

The 190 is not the best at fighting a "fair" dogfight, but because of it's high speed, hard hitting guns close to the center, great maneuverability at high speed, is the best in killing.
The greatest advantage it has is that most of the time one pass is enough and it doesn't have to slow down, or turn around, for another pass.

But it can also fight. All you need is to be fast during the engagement and make sure you have some room to dive in case things go bad. And with the 190 if you don't kill your opponent in two turns things will go bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Wildnoob
07-06-2008, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
its not easy to master. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it is not.

it's not a plane really hard to fly. for pilot's who think only in turning like probably discovery_il_2, it's just necessary know the aircraft strong and week points, and have some discipline to not do the mistake of use the aircraft incorrectly.

I gonna creat a topic about this.

Oleg should had imputed tutorials about flying aircraft of the FW-190's wheigth classification. previos to learn how to use the FW-190, I was like discovery, I have sure in the time that aircraft like the FW-190 and P-51 where porked.

DKoor
07-06-2008, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
Ok I am sick of this plane ONLY thing that is good
about it is roll and ammo NOTHING more its chunky energy burning plane i cant beleve that much people like it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.esnips.com/doc/7ae9b33a-f7df-4a2b-b644-edd81...naFW190D-3xEA-WC-405 (http://www.esnips.com/doc/7ae9b33a-f7df-4a2b-b644-edd81903dfbf/KunaFW190D-3xEA-WC-405)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
One of the best, most survivable, destructive planes in the game and you can use it (in different variations) and its techniques from 1942 through to 1945 without changing too much. Once you learn its capabilities it can be a truly devastating fighter. But its not easy to master. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1

zardozid
07-06-2008, 10:00 AM
I have never been much of a FW190 flier...with all of the big guns it carries I always felt like it was a bit too "something" (I'm looking for the words). Personally I'm really used to flying 'early war' fighting birds and they usually carry 7.7 and 12.5 mm guns...so you have to get on target (hit pilot or engine) to bring them down.

For me...I have always felt about the FW190 the same way that many people feel about the Spitfire. Maybe its not easy to fly but if you can hit something it will come apart.

Recently I have been "learning" the FW190...and I try and fly it at least once a session. I find that its really good at keeping its speed up, and I find myself easily cruising around in the 500's.

Driving the FW190's makes me feel like a gunfighter with two silver plated six shooter on each hip...
http://www.shallajavid.com/Images/W-Gunfighter-lg.jpg

stalkervision
07-06-2008, 10:15 AM
I could never take a shine to the 190 either Zar. I have tried believe me.

I don't know why to this day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I really like the 190's looks and it's roll rate but the 109 is like a thoroughbred to me. It is a bit tough to handle but once you get use to that problem it is a real winner.

leitmotiv
07-06-2008, 10:21 AM
I do not care much for the way the A (radial) 190s were depicted by Oleg. I thought the feather light roll and edgy feel of the As done by Shockwave (now: A to A) for their FS9 models was much more like the 190As in the accounts I read. Too bad you couldn't blast Spitfires with 'em.

stalkervision
07-06-2008, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I do not care much for the way the A (radial) 190s were depicted by Oleg. I thought the feather light roll and edgy feel of the As done by Shockwave (now: A to A) for their FS9 models was much more like the 190As in the accounts I read. Too bad you couldn't blast Spitfires with 'em. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe this is the problem huh? The controls do seem to be a lot heavier then I heard they were on the 190. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

discovery_il_2
07-06-2008, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
Ok I am sick of this plane ONLY thing that is good
about it is roll and ammo NOTHING more its chunky energy burning plane i cant beleve that much people like it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.esnips.com/doc/7ae9b33a-f7df-4a2b-b644-edd81...naFW190D-3xEA-WC-405 (http://www.esnips.com/doc/7ae9b33a-f7df-4a2b-b644-edd81903dfbf/KunaFW190D-3xEA-WC-405)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
One of the best, most survivable, destructive planes in the game and you can use it (in different variations) and its techniques from 1942 through to 1945 without changing too much. Once you learn its capabilities it can be a truly devastating fighter. But its not easy to master. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Do someone have fw 190 pilot manual http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif maybe if i understand i would like it but this way (selflearning) is not going good

stalkervision
07-06-2008, 10:49 AM
I still haven't figured that damn plane out! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

DuckyFluff
07-06-2008, 10:56 AM
Study the way of the Falcon, Grasshopper, and you will eventually understand the way of the Butcher Bird.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

stalkervision
07-06-2008, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuckyFluff:
Study the way of the Falcon, Grasshopper, and you will eventually understand the way of the Butcher Bird.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I can get kills with it DF. It just doesn't ever feel totally comfortable like my old 109 no matter how much I fly it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Apparently many lufwaffe aces felt the same way also.

Pyrres
07-06-2008, 11:23 AM
I feel a bit same. I can fly the 190 correctly and kill with it. But it just does not suit me. I always prefer 109, it just feels more right to me, and my flyin style. I like the fact that if I have to I can mix it in a dogfight. And that there is a slight possibility that even if I hit the other plane just wont explode or be in peaces. It just feels too easy for me in 190.

Wildnoob
07-06-2008, 12:09 PM
the aircraft wich I play more well is the FW-190.

it's really not hard find furballs and score many kills on then.

today, I play with the A6M in my old way, just turning. I started to pursuit a P-40, and he climbed, I climbed behind him try getting a shoot angle, he dive, I dive behind him. I was just thinking in put the gunsigth on it.

the result ?

I manage to destroy him, but when I saw there are 2 or 3 P-40's behind me, and they shoot me down.

I can't belive there are pilot's that figth on this way, and many, many pilot's.

when I fly the BF-109 I feel lack of power, and it's really a fact. the FW-190 is nearly the perfection for a noob like me. it's agile at high speed, and it's weapons set is perfect for high speed firing passes, where you have short time to aim and most times can't put many projectiles on the target.

Xiolablu3
07-06-2008, 12:39 PM
I love it.

leitmotiv
07-06-2008, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I do not care much for the way the A (radial) 190s were depicted by Oleg. I thought the feather light roll and edgy feel of the As done by Shockwave (now: A to A) for their FS9 models was much more like the 190As in the accounts I read. Too bad you couldn't blast Spitfires with 'em. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe this is the problem huh? The controls do seem to be a lot heavier then I heard they were on the 190. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From my understanding, this is it. The FS9 190As roll with a flick of your fingers and are as willing as thoroughbreds.

Ba5tard5word
07-06-2008, 02:57 PM
It's not that bad, it's just slower to turn and climb than the 109 and loses energy a lot quicker...but it's very quick if you keep its speed up and the weaponry is superb.

in any case it's great against bombers compared to the 109...

ElAurens
07-06-2008, 02:57 PM
Interesting, I've always found the 190s to be hyper sensitive in the roll. Just think about rolling and the horizon is spinning like a mad top. In fact it's twitchy behavior is my main reason for not flying it much. I find it very difficult to aim in a steady manner with it, of course it's guns are so uber that it doesn't matter much. Truly the Germanic version of spray and pray.

PanzerAce
07-06-2008, 03:03 PM
I actually prefer the 190 over the 109. I just can't seem to figure out how the 109 is supposed to be flown. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

stalkervision
07-06-2008, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
I actually prefer the 190 over the 109. I just can't seem to figure out how the 109 is supposed to be flown. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahhh, it takes a long time to figure the secrets of that lady out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It is well worth it though.

I advise some four on one QMB agains't Mustang d's

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

will you die? Most certainly but if you try it enough you will get a eurika moment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Give you a hint.Use a tight spiral climb on two of them chasing you and while the other two fly away to try to line up a shot on you. Then dive down and go after those two.

Brain32
07-06-2008, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
I actually prefer the 190 over the 109. I just can't seem to figure out how the 109 is supposed to be flown. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
109 is not suppose to be flown after 1942 according to this game, viva FW190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

slipBall
07-06-2008, 03:24 PM
To master this fine aircraft require's a steady light hand and some time...stick with it awhile

discovery_il_2
07-06-2008, 06:36 PM
Ok at least we aggre about something it is chunky it is energy burning palne and it is VERY hard to master it woukd be nice if someone could explane how to master it would be very helpfull

Davinci..
07-06-2008, 09:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
Ok at least we aggre about something it is chunky it is energy burning palne and it is VERY hard to master it woukd be nice if someone could explane how to master it would be very helpfull </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have about a 10 to 1 kill/death ratio flying 190s on a full real server, and i can tell you this.. It is all those things you mention!!
However, when used/flown correctly(to its strengths), it is by far, one of the best, most effective aircraft in the game hands down. It dost take a while to "master", because it dose require a differnt style of fighting, one that requires more patience and a differnt skill set, then some of the easier aircraft to fly/handle(ie spitfire).

Here is a "repost", of a thread a while back on the same subject. Hope this helps, and gives you some direction to go in.

"Changing your expectations, and your mentality when flying the 190. The 190 is a bird of prey, its "best" used as a killer, not a fighter. Leave the dog fighting to the spitfires, and then kill them. Keep it moving fast, swoop into a target area(fight), fly through your enemies, take your shots, aim to kill, and continue on out and get lost in the fog of war. Only to make a wide, high speed, sweeping turn, back into the fight for another pass.

Although it is best used this way, and you should use it that way 90% of the time, it dosnt mean it cant fight. If you are going to get into a fight, make sure you know your plane, and your opponents plane. Who is quicker at what alt, etc.
Basic rules: Make sure you have enough room below you to disengage. If you dont have the advantage(speed or alt) dont fight. DO NOT let yourself fall into the trap of trying to turn with your openent for more then you can. DONT flat turn for any reason, unless you particularly like the look of the refly button...
Fighting: Try and come in with every bit of speed you can, and turn that into alt. Use the vertical, Come back down on your enemy and keep him turning to evade you(slowing him down). When coming down on your openent, you are using your roll to change direction not your turn, which costs you no speed. If you dont have the shot, do not pull harder trying to make it. Keep your turns smooth, dont pull to hard. The 190s ability to quickly change direction for a snapshot is as good as any. You may only get 2 or 3 chances, make them count. When the advantage is lost, do not be affraid to disengage, this is most peoples mistake, they hang in a fight longer then they should. You have the speed to leave at will, use it."

VW-IceFire
07-06-2008, 09:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
Ok at least we aggre about something it is chunky it is energy burning palne and it is VERY hard to master it woukd be nice if someone could explane how to master it would be very helpfull </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There's been two or three or possibly four threads on how to fly the FW190 in this forum over the last 4 weeks or so. Might be best to go back and read through some of them rather than rehashing it.

The FW190 is hard to fly...the rest of the points are somewhat debatable...but while it may be a harder plane to fly its also a very rewarding plane once flown correctly. Some people will never get into the FW190 and like it...others will. Up to you if you want to figure it out and make it work.

Bearcat99
07-07-2008, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
Ok I am sick of this plane ONLY thing that is good
about it is roll and ammo NOTHING more its chunky energy burning plane i cant beleve that much people like it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL.. No offense.. but you are a noob... I tell ya.. there are guys who have been flying it since day one.. and they are good with it too.. You just need more practice... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Hang in there....

Xiolablu3
07-07-2008, 12:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
Ok at least we aggre about something it is chunky it is energy burning palne and it is VERY hard to master it woukd be nice if someone could explane how to master it would be very helpfull </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ask Brain32 for some hints, although he slates the plane immensly, he knows its an awesome bird and one of the best in the game really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

He can offer some excellent advice on how to fly this excellent killer.

First off stop thinking about dogfighting, and learn to manage your energy. Second think how a Hawk goes about catching a small manouverable bird like a sparrow, it cannot turn as tight so it must find other ways to catch it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Schwarz.13
07-07-2008, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
think how a Hawk goes about catching a small manouverable bird like a sparrow, it cannot turn as tight so it must find other ways to catch it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent metaphor Xio http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bearcat99
07-07-2008, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Interesting, I've always found the 190s to be hyper sensitive in the roll. Just think about rolling and the horizon is spinning like a mad top. In fact it's twitchy behavior is my main reason for not flying it much. I find it very difficult to aim in a steady manner with it, of course it's guns are so uber that it doesn't matter much. Truly the Germanic version of spray and pray. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mine too.. I prefer the109s in German AC.. but you know my main squeeze.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

zardozid
07-07-2008, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
Ok at least we aggre about something it is chunky it is energy burning palne and it is VERY hard to master it woukd be nice if someone could explane how to master it would be very helpfull </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


God... their are so many places on the internet that you can find information on flying the FW190's. It's like...THE most documented fighter in IL2.

But if you have to have help finding them...then here you go.

One (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&cat=48), Two (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=8), Three. (http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9661024732/p/1)

I hope that this can get you started...I'm sure a "Google" search would provide even more information...I can think of at least two (additional) websites that provide "pilot notes" on flying the FW190.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/images/fw190.jpg

Bremspropeller
07-07-2008, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The FW190 is hard to fly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd disagree with that.

I actually find it very easy to fly.
It's a bit harder to be good in it, though.

But once you get to know the a/c's qualities and once you learn to use them, you'll reign supreme http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

discovery_il_2
07-07-2008, 05:59 PM
lol thx guys it make sence now i allways looked FW as dogfighter not as hunter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
07-07-2008, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by discovery_il_2:
lol thx guys it make sence now i allways looked FW as dogfighter not as hunter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bingo! We have a winner http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

foxyboy1964
07-07-2008, 07:34 PM
It's the only plane I use in the game (my gunnery sux and I need all the ammo I can get http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). I think of it as a heavily armed yo-yo.