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Stiletto-
09-16-2011, 07:47 PM
Unfortunately today a Mustang crashed into a grand stand area at the Reno Air Races. 75 people injured, don't know if any were fatalities. A sad day for avaitation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...l/main20107634.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/16/national/main20107634.shtml)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTzX35wOGas

Stiletto-
09-16-2011, 07:47 PM
Unfortunately today a Mustang crashed into a grand stand area at the Reno Air Races. 75 people injured, don't know if any were fatalities. A sad day for avaitation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...l/main20107634.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/16/national/main20107634.shtml)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTzX35wOGas

Stiletto-
09-16-2011, 07:53 PM
I don't usually like to speculate but I guess I am going to do so anyways.

I believe the pilot was 80 years old, that's far too old to be doing air races. I am wondering if he had a heart attack or something of similar nature with the way he pulled up and rolled it on its back, bringing the nose back towards the ground.

AndyJWest
09-16-2011, 08:54 PM
The BBC is reporting three killed - though I suspect that the total may turn out to be greater: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14957437

I think that out of common decency we should try to keep speculation to a minimum regarding the possible causes, and instead confine ourselves to offering condolences to the victims, and to their families. Causes can be debated later, when the facts are at hand.

danjama
09-16-2011, 09:13 PM
I agree with Andy.

However, it should be noted that the pilot called a Mayday before pulling up. Then, well, we all saw what followed. The pull-up is apparently standard procedure to exit the traffic, it went wrong from there somehow.

In my opinion, a man's age should not conclude him from doing any activity. His health...yes. But not age alone. I'm guessing he was fit and healthy, otherwise he would not have been in the air.

danjama
09-16-2011, 09:22 PM
Here's an article:

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation...ems-may-1182917.html (http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/official-plane-problems-may-1182917.html)

The Pilot was 74.

Bearcat99
09-16-2011, 09:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stiletto-:
I don't usually like to speculate but I guess I am going to do so anyways.

I believe the pilot was 80 years old, that's far too old to be doing air races. I am wondering if he had a heart attack or something of similar nature with the way he pulled up and rolled it on its back, bringing the nose back towards the ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree.. although from what I understand Jimmy Leeward the pilot was experienced and a very good pilot. Who knows what caused it.. At least 3 are dead ... 25 serious.. 25 critical... not to mention the traumatized... and the loss of another Mustang. Very sad news. I was just looking at this.

M2morris
09-17-2011, 07:50 AM
They were lucky not to have any fire.
The news media are exploiting this to the point that it makes me sick, and not to mention the idiotic youtube scene. I will turn my back on both now as respect for the people who were killed or injured.

Wildnoob
09-17-2011, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stiletto-:
I believe the pilot was 80 years old, that's far too old to be doing air races. I am wondering if he had a heart attack or something of similar nature with the way he pulled up and rolled it on its back, bringing the nose back towards the ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Out of my area to comment anything.

By the way, Bud Anderson is still flying? Not so long ago I read he working as a civlian flight instructor, and the guy is already 89!

Stiletto-
09-17-2011, 07:05 PM
Civil flying at an old age and racing a P-51 at high speeds and extreme g-forces very close to the ground next to a large group of people are 2 completely different things and can not be compared in any way.

the CBS article said he was 80 but that was wrong, he was 74. You guys are right though, no need to speculate on the cause of accident. It very well could have been and probably was a mechanical failure.

TipsyTed
09-18-2011, 01:53 AM
Oh my God, just seen this! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Kettenhunde
09-18-2011, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Civil flying at an old age and racing a P-51 at high speeds and extreme g-forces very close to the ground next to a large group of people are 2 completely different things and can not be compared in any way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Age has nothing to do with it. You are either fit to fly or you are not.

http://www.avialantic.com/performers/oscar.html

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regu...inFrame?OpenFrameSet (http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet)

What a tragedy especially for the fans in the spectator area.

M2morris
09-18-2011, 06:55 AM
I zoomed in real close on a couple of the photos and I can't see the pilot's head. I mean I just don't see the pilot at all, only a clear canopy. This is seconds before impact. So maybe he was slumped forward. It could have been a combination of mechanical failure, and a health problem. We may never know.
What a horrible accident.

RegRag1977
09-18-2011, 10:21 AM
Elevator trim tab loss could end in such a loss of control?

What a tragedy indeed... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://www.aviationlawmonitor....t-elevator-trim-tab/ (http://www.aviationlawmonitor.com/2011/09/articles/accident-investigation-1/reno-p51-mustang-lost-elevator-trim-tab/)

http://media.graytvinc.com/images/plane+enlarged.jpg

ElAurens
09-18-2011, 10:22 AM
Left elevator trim tab failed causing high G pitch up, which in turn popped the tail wheel out and blacked out the pilot.

The age of the pilot had nothing to do with it.

gates123
09-22-2011, 09:56 AM
I got inside info on this. El Aurens is right. Pilot blacked out after plane lost trim trab. P-51's need alot of down trim when going this fast so when the trim tab broke off plane shot straight up and pilot never recovered from black out. This same thing happened at Reno in '89 to Hannah but Hannah shot to 14k and recovered and got the plane down. This time plane rolled and came straight down. Now weather a younger pilot could have recovered from this or not is another story. Regardless the guy was a great pilot I'm sure if he wasnt blacked out he would have tried to avoid the crowd. Unfortunatly accidents happene in all forms all motorsports. When watching that close to any "racing event" you always put your life in some small risk as a spectator.

danjama
09-22-2011, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gates123:
I got inside info on this. El Aurens is right. Pilot blacked out after plane lost trim trab. P-51's need alot of down trim when going this fast so when the trim tab broke off plane shot straight up and pilot never recovered from black out. This same thing happened at Reno in '89 to Hannah but Hannah shot to 14k and recovered and got the plane down. This time plane rolled and came straight down. Now weather a younger pilot could have recovered from this or not is another story. Regardless the guy was a great pilot I'm sure if he wasnt blacked out he would have tried to avoid the crowd. Unfortunatly accidents happene in all forms all motorsports. When watching that close to any "racing event" you always put your life in some small risk as a spectator. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, that's not inside knowledge, it became quite evident (though not conclusive) after a couple of days. Good post though. I can in fact inform you (and others), that the pilot was submitted to 25.5G. Hopefully that can put the 'age' issue to sleep (everywhere, not just Ubi). Not one person could have avoided GLOC in that situation.

Swivet
09-26-2011, 05:41 PM
Rest in peace Jimmy, may you fly the heavens again
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Stiletto-
09-27-2011, 04:12 PM
Beautiful tribute skin.

Swivet
09-28-2011, 08:54 PM
Thanx Stiletto,
i'm actually still working on it.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif