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lbuchele
10-16-2004, 01:27 PM
I´m planning to purchase a Athlon 64-3200 ,1 Gig RAM DDR2 ,and a GeForce 6800 (128Mb).Do I need the 6800GT (256Mb) to play in 1024x768 in perfect mode w/good FPS?

Yellonet
10-16-2004, 01:47 PM
The 6800 might have problems with perfect... but as you have a good CPU that might compensate a bit.

VW-IceFire
10-16-2004, 01:49 PM
Yes it will work! VERY nicely.

I run on a slower system with 35fps average (combat, flight, etc.) with 2X AA, 4X AS, and 1024x768x32bit.

AMD 2700+
A7N8X nForce 2
512mb RAM PC2700
Radeon 9700Pro (128mb)

So you will do it much nicer than my system! But, just like anything...proper techniques are required. Best drivers, best settings, tweaking for performance...all important.

LuckyBoy1
10-16-2004, 02:56 PM
You'll do fine! If you don't, it's not your hardware choices. just post in community help and smart people (certainly not me!) will help you out!

RedDeth
10-16-2004, 05:05 PM
you will do fine in perfect with that 6800 base model. it also has the new 3.0 shaders too . itll be great

Macca_Man
10-16-2004, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
The 6800 might have problems with perfect... but as you have a good CPU that might compensate a bit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


that was a joke right??

Obi_Kwiet
10-16-2004, 07:33 PM
The 3200+ 64 bit is a good little CPU. Better than most of what Intell has to offer.

RedDeth
10-16-2004, 08:25 PM
the 6800 128 meg is a great card. its close in performance to the 6800 GT and the X800 PRO but its only 275.00 ...it handles all the new video tech like 3.0 and the newest direct x 9.0c etc... its dang fast in all performance settings. much better than anything ati has except the x800 series. and its close to that.

great card.

TX-EcoDragon
10-17-2004, 04:46 AM
I run perfect in 1280X with a P4 2.8, gig of ram, 6800 machine. . . avg fps are very nice in most situations. . around 30-40 when online. This is using 2x AA and 2x AF and "performance" quality setting.

Carnage2681
10-17-2004, 05:42 AM
ohoh, at christmas i must buy new stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

at the moment i Play FB in 1260 with an Athlon XP 1900+ with 512 Mb and an Gf4 4600 Ultra

I hope I can play Pf like FB

But i will reduce land datail to high or medium.

Yellonet
10-17-2004, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Macca_Man:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
The 6800 might have problems with perfect... but as you have a good CPU that might compensate a bit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


that was a joke right?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No. The 6800 isn't really very good. Depends on what you compare it with obviously...

Carnage2681
10-17-2004, 06:58 AM
hm, in all test i know the Geforce 6800 is better rated than a ATI counterpart

lbuchele
10-17-2004, 05:24 PM
So, if I purchase a 6800 GT (256 MB) I'll be able to play with perfect water enabled without any loss in FPS,or perfect water isn't for today video cards?

HexAngel
10-17-2004, 05:30 PM
I guess you won't run into any framerate problems with the mentioned system, even if you "only" put in the normal 6800.

JG27_Arklight
10-18-2004, 03:56 AM
Look at it this way...

With an ATI card you won't even be able to see all the nice waves.

The 6800 is a fine card. I read somehwere that the 6800 series does very nicely with PF.

RocketDog
10-18-2004, 04:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbuchele:
So, if I purchase a 6800 GT (256 MB) I'll be able to play with perfect water enabled without any loss in FPS,or perfect water isn't for today video cards? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Perfect mode still causes a very significant frame-rate hit even on powerful PCs.

My own PC is a P4 3.0 GHz 800FSB, 1GB DDR400 machine and I have used both ehe 6800GT and X800Pro cards with it. It benschmarks at ~ 10,500 in 3Dmark03. Both cards suffered a loss of at least 40% in FPS from perfect mode in IL-2 AEP.

If you want to use perfect at reasonable frame rates you will probably have to make some compromises with resolution, FSAA/AF etc.

Regards,

RocketDog.

lbuchele
10-18-2004, 05:20 AM
RocketDog, using a system like yours, with 1024/768 res and 2XAA and 2xAF , how many FPS you can see in perfect mode?

RocketDog
10-18-2004, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbuchele:
RocketDog, using a system like yours, with 1024/768 res and 2XAA and 2xAF , how many FPS you can see in perfect mode? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi lbuchele,

I've just put some figures up in another post, so I'll copy them here:


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Running IL-2's Black Death track in perfect at 1024 x 768 with 4 x FSAA and 4 x AF (quality settings) produces figures of:

Mean FPS: 36
Max FPS: 75
Min FPS: 12

Running with application preference and speed settings gives:

Mean FPS: 45
Max FPS: 100
Min FPS: 13

From what I have seen here, these figures are typical for a PC of this spec. The problem is that even with a fair amount of FSAA/AF, 1024 x 768 just doesn't look good on a large CRT ( I use a 22" Iiyama) and the sort of image quality I was prepared to accept a year ago now leaves me cold. I don't want jaggies and I want to be able to read the instruments.

My normal configuration for AEP is 1600 x 1200 with 2 x FSAA and 2 x AF and all at high quality settings and in excellent mode. At this resolution the game looks good, plays very smoothly and still gives acceptable frame rates. For comparison, it gives frame rates of Mean: 34, Max: 85, Min: 15 on the Black Death track - about the same as 1024 x 768 in perfect, but it feels considerably smoother and so probably isn't suffering the short fluctuations to very low FPS that sometimes seem to occur in perfect mode.
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Incidentally, I'm not convinced that the Black Death track is a good test because it doesn't have any "from inside the cockpit" views. It's quite different from how we actually play the game. Running at 1600 x 1200 feels very, very fluid in excellent. Running at 1024 x 768 in perfect feels choppy and unpleasant.

PS - just realised how many mis-spellings there were in my original post. I wish there was a spellchecking option - or at least that I could learn to type more carefully http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Regards,

RocketDog.

PS - I'll have a go at 1024 x 768 with 2 x FSAA/AF tonight and put some numbers up.

VW-IceFire
10-18-2004, 07:34 AM
Your average FPS is higher than on my system....but your mins are just as low as with mien. Thats interesting.

Are you using water=0,1, or 2?

That may be the difference as well.

For playble perfect mode on most systems....water=0 gives you near Excellent mode performance with Perfect mode terrain distance and limited pixel shaded water. It works handily.

generalkesselbe
10-18-2004, 07:52 AM
Due less ground objects and builings to be rendered in most Pacific Scenarios I guess it will run smoothely anyway..

RocketDog
10-18-2004, 08:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
For playble perfect mode on most systems....water=0 gives you near Excellent mode performance with Perfect mode terrain distance and limited pixel shaded water. It works handily. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try and see how it works.

Regards,

RocketDog.