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Hanglands
03-13-2007, 01:47 PM
Hi,

The name Rafwaffe (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200302/ai_n9204393) may mean something to some of you, but it didnt mean anything to me until recently.

I dont know if anyone remembers, but a while ago I was doing a thread on locating and photographing abandoned WWII airfields, Airfield Hunting as I called it.

Well, a lot of the preparatory work for a visit involves tracking old maps and translating them to modern ones (unless theres a dirty great hangar still in situ to guide the way!). Sometimes I use Google Earth too.

Quite by accident I came accros an airfield on G.Earth near the city in which I live. It turns out to be the former RAF Collyweston. I was surprised in that I hadnt heard of it before, but then you cant throw a stone around here without it landing on an old PFF or USAAF field.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/GoogleEarth2007-03-1319-28-22-23.jpg

About the same time I was given a book called War Prizes by Phil Butler (http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=50081) I put the book aside and forgot about it.

I did some digging around on RAF Collyweston and found it was home to a load of captured Luftwaffe aircraft used in testing by the RAF. So then I dug the book out. I of course knew that aircraft were captured by all sides, but I was surprised at the number that made it back and were reassembled, repaired, and repainted in the UK. Almost every type of aircraft is represented. A lot of it was scrapped, broken up, in some cases even used for target practise!

It doesnt just cover the Luftwaffe either, theres Italian and Japanese stuff too.

It really is strange to think that all those years ago there were German aircraft flying around here with RAF roundels on. Must have looked a bit like the UBI servers at times I imagine.

There probably isnt much left of Collyweston, aerial photographs can be so deceiving. But as its so close we'll be paying it a visit anyway, sometimes you find a few buildings being used by a farmer to house livestock or equipment.

Regards.

Hanglands
03-13-2007, 01:47 PM
Hi,

The name Rafwaffe (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200302/ai_n9204393) may mean something to some of you, but it didnt mean anything to me until recently.

I dont know if anyone remembers, but a while ago I was doing a thread on locating and photographing abandoned WWII airfields, Airfield Hunting as I called it.

Well, a lot of the preparatory work for a visit involves tracking old maps and translating them to modern ones (unless theres a dirty great hangar still in situ to guide the way!). Sometimes I use Google Earth too.

Quite by accident I came accros an airfield on G.Earth near the city in which I live. It turns out to be the former RAF Collyweston. I was surprised in that I hadnt heard of it before, but then you cant throw a stone around here without it landing on an old PFF or USAAF field.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/GoogleEarth2007-03-1319-28-22-23.jpg

About the same time I was given a book called War Prizes by Phil Butler (http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=50081) I put the book aside and forgot about it.

I did some digging around on RAF Collyweston and found it was home to a load of captured Luftwaffe aircraft used in testing by the RAF. So then I dug the book out. I of course knew that aircraft were captured by all sides, but I was surprised at the number that made it back and were reassembled, repaired, and repainted in the UK. Almost every type of aircraft is represented. A lot of it was scrapped, broken up, in some cases even used for target practise!

It doesnt just cover the Luftwaffe either, theres Italian and Japanese stuff too.

It really is strange to think that all those years ago there were German aircraft flying around here with RAF roundels on. Must have looked a bit like the UBI servers at times I imagine.

There probably isnt much left of Collyweston, aerial photographs can be so deceiving. But as its so close we'll be paying it a visit anyway, sometimes you find a few buildings being used by a farmer to house livestock or equipment.

Regards.

Spectre1968
03-13-2007, 02:13 PM
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/008gb04.jpg

F0_Dark_P
03-13-2007, 02:22 PM
Thats how your Spitfires should look like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cawimmer430
03-13-2007, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spectre1968:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/008gb04.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool! The RAF markings make this baby more maneuvrable! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

harryklein66
03-13-2007, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It really is strange to think that all those years ago there were German aircraft flying around here with RAF roundels on. Must have looked a bit like the UBI servers at times I imagine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/harryklein/anarbi.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

MEGILE
03-13-2007, 02:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spectre1968:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/008gb04.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Worse plane in the RAF

Brain32
03-13-2007, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spectre1968:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/008gb04.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Worse plane in the RAF </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are right, Spitfire is not a plane anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Good attempt though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

flox
03-13-2007, 03:00 PM
Looks like some sort of angry troll to me:

http://www.geocities.com/flox232/forummisc/troll.jpg

JSG72
03-13-2007, 04:43 PM
Oh Dear!

Hanglands. Looks like your deeper search is going to come up with more Piss taking?

Also Have the War Prizes book. Very good quick reference. (Saves on all that "Google" searching.).

Casting my mind back to when I was a Nipper in the '60s.

I can remember my father driving the family past a scrapyard up here in Scotland. (Think it was near Moodiesburn and I was about 6yrs old). And it was full of scrapped German ww2 aircraft. I distinctly remember seeing a HE 111 fuselage with the large crosses on it.

Wonder if this was one of the scrapyards these captured aircraft ended up in? Or if it was perhaps where many of the shot down craft were transported to.(MMmmm... Maybes an Idea for a book? "Where went the Luftwaffe?").

Blutarski2004
03-13-2007, 04:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spectre1968:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/008gb04.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



..... Gee, where are the underwing 20mm gondolas?

Matz0r
03-13-2007, 04:55 PM
Excellent stuff as usual hanglands

Beaufort-RAF
03-13-2007, 06:24 PM
RAF Ju88 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONxcDGEXaK4)

major_setback
03-13-2007, 07:40 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/GoogleEarthToo.jpg

MrMojok
03-13-2007, 07:52 PM
Anyone who has more pics of aeroplanes with the wrong side's markings on them, please post them up. For some reason, it has always struck me as funny.

I think I remember a picture I saw on these boards of a B-17 that had been captured by Germany and painted with the crosses and everything. It was just so bizarre.

berg417448
03-13-2007, 07:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMojok:
Anyone who has more pics of aeroplanes with the wrong side's markings on them, please post them up. For some reason, it has always struck me as funny.

I think I remember a picture I saw on these boards of a B-17 that had been captured by Germany and painted with the crosses and everything. It was just so bizarre. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some sites you might find interesting:

http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/index.htm

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/FAACapturedAircraftHomepage.html

http://www.teuton.org/dbarnett/captured.htm

http://members.aol.com/dheitm8612/capture.htm

Beaufort-RAF
03-13-2007, 08:08 PM
http://www.mts.net/~royb/images/Captured_112_Stuka1.jpg

MrMojok
03-13-2007, 08:09 PM
oh, beautiful... thanks, Berg. I shall bookmark these.

Snow_Wolf_
03-14-2007, 01:28 AM
http://www.457thbombgroup.org/Visitors/FW-190_at_Wittering.jpg

http://www.457thbombgroup.org/Visitors/FW-190.jpg

nsteense
03-14-2007, 03:02 AM
Hanglands,
I don't know if you ever came across this website:
http://content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/airfields/
I thought it was just excellent

WOLFMondo
03-14-2007, 04:40 AM
Hanglands, if your interested in those aircraft tested in the UK then check out just about any of Eric Browns books, he was heading up the enemy aircraft flight of the RAE during the war and flew just about every captured aircraft for test and evaluation purposes, including most of not all the German jet aircraft and the Me163.

Hanglands
03-14-2007, 04:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nsteense:
Hanglands,
I don't know if you ever came across this website:
http://content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/airfields/
I thought it was just excellent </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought it was excellent too, havent come accross that one before. Added straight to Favourites!

Nice find, thanks.

Vike
03-14-2007, 05:58 AM
LOL guys;

RAF-Waffe could also be this... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/Vike01/captured-spit.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/Vike01/captured-typhoon.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/Vike01/captured-mosquito.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/Vike01/captured-spitIX.jpg

I wonder if those two captured Spit-Late would still never overheat with those markings...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

- Found here (Luftarchiv.de) (http://www.luftarchiv.de) -

@+

Kurfurst__
03-14-2007, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spectre1968:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/008gb04.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

..... Gee, where are the underwing 20mm gondolas? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On a different plane - who would have guessed? This a 109F, which is quite obvious at first glance from it's rounded wheel wells.

Ironic that some who always argue so passionately about the lack of qualities of this fighter can't even tell apart a 109F and a 109G isn't it?

luftluuver
03-14-2007, 06:47 AM
Visut the LEMB site, http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/

scroll down to
- Captured Aircraft with the Luftwaffe
- The Captive Luftwaffe

luftluuver
03-14-2007, 06:59 AM
Ironic that some people seem to think the Brits only test flew the gondy 109G. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

nsteense
03-15-2007, 01:38 AM
Seeing that Typhoon in Luftwaffe markings, I'm wondering if they ever managed to get that Napier engine running properly and for a long time. It was already a nightmare in RAF service.

Philipscdrw
03-15-2007, 03:41 AM
I thought Edith Weston was an author, not a village.

(Note: not really. If there is really someone called Edith Weston I've never heard of him/her.)

Platypus_1.JaVA
03-15-2007, 12:42 PM
What's wrong with this picture? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.unrealaircraft.com/hybrid/images/Hdbspit_1.jpeg

Beaufort-RAF
03-15-2007, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMojok:
I think I remember a picture I saw on these boards of a B-17 that had been captured by Germany and painted with the crosses and everything. It was just so bizarre. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

B17 (http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/b17fortress.html)

Spectre1968
03-15-2007, 02:08 PM
Nice Colour

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/POLISH_PILOT/120-ajn.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/POLISH_PILOT/159-capturedfw190_red.jpg

djetz
03-16-2007, 12:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
What's wrong with this picture? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too easy. The engine and nose section of a 109 have been grafted onto this poor Spitfire.

Xiolablu3
03-16-2007, 04:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spectre1968:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/images/008gb04.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif No gunpods

EDIT: Too late, I see EVERYONE has said the same thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hanglands
05-01-2007, 12:53 PM
Hi,

So I went past this former RAF Collyweston today after looking it up on the Microsoft version of Google Earth and got some much better aerial shots.

Like this:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/CW1.jpg

Which was great, but then you look again, and there are bomb craters right up the runway!

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/CW3.jpg

Which made me a bit curious. And whats more, is that there are aircraft on the hardstands :

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/CW4.jpg

I think a likely explanation is that the site was being used for a film set or something? I know the airfield was part of the nearby RAF Wittering at one time (they were joined by a 2mile grass runway) but I cant imagine anything has flown out of Collyweston for decades.

Anyway, we went there today and saw some concrete/paved areas from the road, totally grassed over and shrubs obstructing almost everything. One or two structures were still there, but not close enough to photograph.

The strange thing was that there were these signs all over the place :

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/CW5.jpg

I have never seen these at any of the former RAF/USAAF stations we have visited. The place was practically bristling with these signs.

I wonder why this disused RAFwaffe place is still covered by the Official Secrets Act. None of it is fenced off.

DKoor
05-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Yes this oddly reminds of Oleg 46 servers online all markings all planes no rules like Hanglands says.

Warrington_Wolf
05-01-2007, 01:54 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vike:
LOL guys;

RAF-Waffe could also be this... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/Vike01/captured-spit.jpg
[QUOTE]
If the Jerries had 11 more of those, they could have made Adolf Galland's request become a reality.

P.S. I find this kind of stuff fascinating, keep it up.

luftluuver
05-01-2007, 02:39 PM
Hanglands,

take a look at UK Airfields Of the NINTH, Then and Now by Roger Freeman. ISBN0-900913-80-0

A short history of the base is given with a 'then' aerial photo and a 'now' aerial photo plus numerous other photos.

Do you like yo play golf? Visit Earls Colne, Station 358, if you do for it has an 18 hole course there now.

HuninMunin
05-01-2007, 03:32 PM
http://www.luftarchiv.de/

Switch the interface to english on the top right and then browse "Captured Planes" on the left.

XyZspineZyX
05-01-2007, 05:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by djetz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
What's wrong with this picture? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too easy. The engine and nose section of a 109 have been grafted onto this poor Spitfire. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Partially right. Its the same engine, but the cowling was lifted off a Bf-110.

Treetop64
05-01-2007, 05:31 PM
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6199/capturedb17he8.png

Wierd... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

faustnik
05-01-2007, 05:44 PM
Love those captured Fw190s in the "Please don't shoot me" colors. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Thanks for posting Spectre.

I'm sure the USAAF pilots had a lot of fun flying those around. I have pics in a book, probably shouldn't scan, of a 109 and Mc200 captured in the desert and repainted with stars and bars.

BillyTheKid_22
05-01-2007, 05:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
Love those captured Fw190s in the "Please don't shoot me" colors. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Thanks for posting Spectre.

I'm sure the USAAF pilots had a lot of fun flying those around. I have pics in a book, probably shouldn't scan, of a 109 and Mc200 captured in the desert and repainted with stars and bars. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://www.leisuregalleries.com/timberwolf.jpg



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hanglands
05-02-2007, 03:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Hanglands,

take a look at UK Airfields Of the NINTH, Then and Now by Roger Freeman. ISBN0-900913-80-0

A short history of the base is given with a 'then' aerial photo and a 'now' aerial photo plus numerous other photos.

Do you like yo play golf? Visit Earls Colne, Station 358, if you do for it has an 18 hole course there now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the tips mate, I'll try and find a copy of the book after work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan1.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10001.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10002.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10003.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10003b.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10004.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10005.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10005b.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Scan10006.jpg

Regards.

Divine-Wind
05-02-2007, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
What's wrong with this picture? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.unrealaircraft.com/hybrid/images/Hdbspit_1.jpeg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wheels are too small. Whoever modeled this beast got the sizes all wrong, and the rivets are short by 5.

*clucks tongue* I dare say that even Microsoft did better in CFS3. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

JR_Greenhorn
05-02-2007, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
Love those captured Fw190s in the "Please don't shoot me" colors. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Thanks for posting Spectre.

I'm sure the USAAF pilots had a lot of fun flying those around. I have pics in a book, probably shouldn't scan, of a 109 and Mc200 captured in the desert and repainted with stars and bars. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Is that Mc 200 the "Wacky Macchi?"