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ARCHIE_CALVERT
04-21-2006, 01:20 PM
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This is the thread to post Information pertaining to the BoB/Whirlwind P9 Project.

Please endeavor to only post here information that will further this project to it€s conclusion of a fully finished and flyable model for Oleg Maddox's new Sim, The Battle of Britain.

Now who wanted this€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/1965ShennanDrw00.jpg

ARCHIE_CALVERT
04-21-2006, 01:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This is the thread to post Information pertaining to the BoB/Whirlwind P9 Project.

Please endeavor to only post here information that will further this project to it€s conclusion of a fully finished and flyable model for Oleg Maddox's new Sim, The Battle of Britain.

Now who wanted this€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/1965ShennanDrw00.jpg

ARCHIE_CALVERT
04-21-2006, 01:59 PM
News.

Well, Oleg or one of his minions has as yet not replied to my email€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Lets hope he does€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I€ve had a number of contacts concerning Whirlwind data, an American who is thinking about making a full scale Whirlwind replica, but using modern day composites and control systems. Engines? First thought would be Chevy V8s but if enough money can be raised, Allisons or Orendas?

Another is from Australia and has interest in building a cockpit and is in the process of sorting out some drawings.

There€s also another that might be able to have access to some of the makers drawings, fingers crossed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I am presently waiting for the P.R.O. to furnish me with their estimate for Flight data:

Air Ministry and successors: Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment: Reports and Notes AVIA 18/691
Whirlwind aircraft: performance and handling trials. Whirlwind aircraft: performance and handling trials Air Ministry and successors: Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment: Reports and Notes The National Archives, Kew
Date range: 1940 - 1942.

There€s some other stuff that as yet are still up in the air, so to speak€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

As soon as I get anything definite I€ll post it here€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Archie.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
04-21-2006, 04:58 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Well I thought somebody would have said something by now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/Peregrine00.jpg

MrMoonlight
04-22-2006, 04:03 AM
Whoa...

After using the search engine here, I'm truly amazed by the sheer volume of material you've posted in various threads over the past few months and I can only imagine how much stuff you've got that you haven't posted.

I'm certain Oleg has implemented flyable aircraft with less documentation than what you have on hand for the Whirlwind. (Bf-109Z, Go-229 anyone?)

I really hope Oleg replies to you soon (and gives you the green light) so the ball can get rolling on this project. If things get going now, that gives us a good year to get things done. Sounds like a long time, but with projects like these, you can *never* have too much time.

Here's hoping Oleg will support the effort.

MrBlueSky1960
04-22-2006, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Here's hoping Oleg will support the effort. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/WeirdMakeBelieve/ConCur.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-22-2006, 10:17 AM
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stathem
04-22-2006, 01:44 PM
I'd love to contribute, but have very little money, not muuch time, and zero talent.

Will you accept my very best wishes?

Aaron_GT
04-22-2006, 01:55 PM
Archie,

Have you considered writing a book on the Whirlwind?

ARCHIE_CALVERT
04-22-2006, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
I'd love to contribute, but have very little money, not muuch time, and zero talent.

Will you accept my very best wishes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stathem, with pleasure...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Archie,

Have you considered writing a book on the Whirlwind? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I wish... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No, I hate writing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif No that€s wrong. I would like to write, but it the physical act of writing that puts me off! It's hard work for me, that€s why I scan most of the stuff that I post... Just call me Mr Lazy.

In all honesty I think L_F is the chap who would be the most likely to... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif He has a way with words that lend them selves to be read with a rapt hunger€¦

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-22-2006, 03:14 PM
Well, if they ever let me play with anything sharper than wax crayons again, who knows...? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
04-22-2006, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
Well, if they ever let me play with anything sharper than wax crayons again, who knows...? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, go on you know you want to...

Look at all the pretty pictures you could put in it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/Lysander_MK-II_02.jpg

Looking at this Lysander, got me thinking about where Olegs team got the info from€¦

This shows he€s been using factory drawings€¦ http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/images/updates/aircraft/Bf-109E-3_03.jpg

So where has he got the one€s he used for the Lysander€¦ Westlands? I don€t think so, mind you being there are quite a few Lysander€s left, drawings must be easier to get your hands on than for a Whirlwind!

These are the ones I have, they are not very high resolution though€¦

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/AP1761A.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS245.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS255.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS260.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS-239.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS-240.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS-249.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS-250.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/CS-252.jpg



Here€s another set of later Drawings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/1984GrangerDrw00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/1984GrangerDrw01.jpg

mhuxt
04-23-2006, 02:27 AM
Hi-res or not, those are cracking drawings.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-23-2006, 03:26 AM
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http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/WhirlyAtPlay.jpg

major_setback
04-23-2006, 07:18 AM
Don't mind me...I just discovered colouring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WhirlyAtPlaykeith01d.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-23-2006, 08:36 AM
Sigs! Get 'em while they're hot! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Screensignew.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/kongsig.jpg

redfeathers1948
04-23-2006, 10:40 PM
ooo,ooo,ooo, you guys blow me away I just got my latest Aeroplane mag wif the Whirlybird database http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Friendly_flyer
04-23-2006, 11:59 PM
Archy, those drawings have the skinner in me starting to itch!

Gibbage1
04-24-2006, 01:06 AM
Right click, save as.

=)

mhuxt
04-27-2006, 02:57 AM
Don't know if these have been posted before or not. Get 'em before my bandwith limit is exceeded.

NB - I'm only the messenger. Found these on my hard drive, make of them what you will.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/MSN/mhuxtable/perf1.jpg


http://www.users.bigpond.com/MSN/mhuxtable/perf2.jpg

http://www.users.bigpond.com/MSN/mhuxtable/perf3.jpg

http://www.users.bigpond.com/MSN/mhuxtable/perf4.jpg

MrMoonlight
04-27-2006, 03:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mhuxt:
Don't know if these have been posted before or not. Get 'em before my bandwith limit is exceeded.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good stuff, mhuxt. Thanks for posting those. I grabbed the pics for posterity (in case your bandwidth gets exceeded http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

One question, though...
On the second page you posted, there is data for a Mk 1 and a Mk 2. Was this "Mk 2" a proposed variant of the Whirlwind that never went into production? The performance figures look pretty impressive, especially if the Peregrine was to be kept. Seems using higher grade fuel would have provided quite a performance boost.

@ARCHIE: Heard anything from Oleg yet? I'm gettin' all antsy over here. Gimme a shout over PM when ya get a chance.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-27-2006, 09:23 AM
Bringing home the human cost of WWII aviation
http://www.ferdinando.org.uk/roy_frederick_ferdinand_gallery.htm#Top


A Whirlwind forum - with links to others.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218538

Keep the faith, Whirly Whiners, keep the faith.

mhuxt
04-27-2006, 06:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoonlight:
One question, though...
On the second page you posted, there is data for a Mk 1 and a Mk 2. Was this "Mk 2" a proposed variant of the Whirlwind that never went into production? The performance figures look pretty impressive, especially if the Peregrine was to be kept. Seems using higher grade fuel would have provided quite a performance boost.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No idea - though that's my assumption. All that needs context, which should be in the AVIA file in the P.R.O.

darkhorizon11
04-27-2006, 07:55 PM
I'd love to fly this babbbyyyyy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-29-2006, 04:08 AM
From my limited research, the MkII appears to be a proposed variant that would have had either improved Peregrines, Merlins or even Hercules engines. Some articles seem to confuse the issue with Whirlwinds fitted with bomb racks or that had the leading edge wing slats locked shut.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
04-29-2006, 04:18 AM
Good luck with this one Guys. Its nice to see some optomists with an eye for the future, fill yer boots


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MrBlueSky1960
04-29-2006, 04:24 AM
It has been unearthed from various letters and memo€s from the Air Ministry, Rolls-Royce and Westlands that the boffin's from R-R did some tinkering with a Whirly using different filters, carb settings and Fuel grades and succeeded in getting a substantial improvement in the Whirlwinds performance, both low down and more importantly at height... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Smiles all round then... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Unfortunately the Air Ministry didn't and told the guys at Westlands to change the upgraded Whirly back to the standard settings... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

They just didn€t like her€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Heliopause
04-29-2006, 06:03 AM
As posted in another thread.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/PauseHelio/Whirlwind263sq.jpg

John_Wayne_
04-29-2006, 03:42 PM
I'd like to see this baby as a flyable. From what I've read so would Oleg. Let's get it on.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
04-30-2006, 10:37 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Whirlypics.jpg

MrBlueSky1960
05-04-2006, 03:55 AM
Update: Spoke to R-R Derby today Volume I 'Peregrine' AP copy is confirmed and will be posted as soon as done... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

P.R.O. still haven't replied... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I know they must be busy, but they do say they will email you within 10 working days... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I'll give it till the weekend... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Oleg, well he has had a bit to do just lately, so I'll just spuddle along, collecting as much as I can... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

So abit more to the pile... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-04-2006, 06:49 AM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/whirl-02.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/whirl-01.jpg

Friendly_flyer
05-06-2006, 06:35 AM
I'm quite sure you have these, just really wanted to share:

http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/whirlwind.html

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-06-2006, 07:17 AM
The more people that see this stuff the better, F-F, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Found out last night that RAF 25 Squadron used the Whirly (only a couple, and they didn't like it, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif but that technically gives us 3 squadrons, along with 137 and 263).

Today's Whirlwind trivia: Proportionally more Whirlies were bought and paid for by public subscription than any other British fighter.

HotelBushranger
05-06-2006, 08:26 AM
Where they in the BoB? They werent were they, so what place do they have in a BoB game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-06-2006, 08:45 AM
Entered service with 263 Squadron July 1940. Some people really ought to read more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Friendly_flyer
05-06-2006, 04:20 PM
There's something about four 20mm Hispanos and He 111s that make my mouth water...

MrMoonlight
05-06-2006, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
There's something about four 20mm Hispanos and He 111s that make my mouth water... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but with only 60 RPG you gotta make every burst count http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But hey, I'm up for the challenge. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-12-2006, 03:35 AM
Well...are we going to see one by November, boys? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

MrBlueSky1960
05-12-2006, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
Well...are we going to see one by November, boys? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Realistically... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Not a chance, we would have more luck catching shadows in a box at the moment... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Oleg, as to be expected is rather busy and has not contacted either me or Archie... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif But that€s not saying either he never will... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Some good news is both the P.R.O. and R-R Derby stuff is winging it's way to Somerset as we speak ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ) So I will post some scans ASAP... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The betnoire at the mo, is getting hold of detailed drawings and cockpit data from the people who promised it who as yet have not supplied anything... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MrBlueSky1960
05-16-2006, 03:15 AM
Just a quick update, below is some of the info that I'm sourcing. I've posted this on other forums to see if it brings in anthing useful to the cause, other than that I'll have to get it copied from the P.R.O. my self (I've already got some being done!)

The flight data doesn't seem to be to difficult to get, it's the cockpit data thats the pain at the moment...

Here's my begging post...

Have any of the Whirly buffs out there seen or have in their possession the following files and if they do, can they tell me weather they would contain information/drawings that would be useful to build an accurate 3D CG Flying Model.

I already have the complete AP1709A Vol's and the Roll-Royce €˜Peregrine€ AP from R-R Derby.

This is some of the information I need:
Performance charts & tables (speed, climb, maneuver etc) for 87 Octane and 100 Octane fuel & with bombloads.
Whirlybomber payload data. What sort of bombs etc.
Cockpit Blueprints and Photo€s, Instruments used etc. (Important must have... )
Aircraft Production Drawings€¦ (Another must have... )

If you have/know of any file that contain some of the above, could you let me know their source and file number/ref so I might obtain them.

If you already have some of the data I need and would be willing to let me have scanned copies I would be willing to pay for them within reason.

Thank you for any help.

Here you go:
Ministry of Aircraft Production and predecessor and successors: Registered Files AVIA 15/317 AIRCRAFT: Design and Development: Fighters and Fighter-Bombers (Code 6/3): Proposals for development of Westland Whirlwind fighter . AIRCRAFT: Design and Development: Fighters and Fighter-Bombers (Code 6/3): Proposals for development of Westland WhirlwindDate: 1940.

Ministry of Defence and predecessors: Air Publications and Reports AIR 10/2643 The Whirlwind I Aeroplane: Two Peregrine I Engines . The Whirlwind I Aeroplane: Two Peregrine I Engines Ministry of Defence and predecessors: Air Publications and Reports The National Archives, KewDate: 1940.

Ministry of Supply: Establishment, Registered Files (Series 1) AVIA 46/122 Westland Whirlwind . Westland Whirlwind Ministry of Supply: Establishment, Registered Files (Series 1) The National Archives, KewDate range: 1935 - 1943.

(This I have already ordered )

Air Ministry and successors: Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment: Reports and Notes AVIA 18/691 Whirlwind aircraft: performance and handling trials . Whirlwind aircraft: performance and handling trials Air Ministry and successors: Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment: Reports and Notes The National Archives, KewDate range: 1940 - 1942.

(Not sure of exactly what Photo€s it contains? )

Ministry of Information and Central Office of Information: Publications Division: Photographs INF 14/8 Whirlwind . Whirlwind Ministry of Information and Central Office of Information: Publications Division: Photographs The National Archives, KewDate range: 1939 - 1979.

Air Ministry: Fighter Command: Registered Files AIR 16/326 Westland P9 Whirlwind aircraft . Westland P9 Whirlwind aircraft Air Ministry: Fighter Command: Registered Files The National Archives, KewDate range: 1939 - 1942.

Air Ministry and Ministry of Defence: Registered Files AIR 2/2821 AIRCRAFT: Fighter (Code B, 5/6): Whirlwind single-engined single seater day and night fighter: specification F37/35 . AIRCRAFT: Fighter (Code B, 5/6): Whirlwind single-engined single seater day and night fighter: specification F37/35 Air Ministry andDate range: 1935 - 1944.

Friendly_flyer
05-16-2006, 08:11 AM
I just want to say thank you for all your hard work.

MrBlueSky1960
05-16-2006, 11:32 AM
F_F... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif No, thank you for your continuing support and the same goes for the other Whirly Whiners... If it wasn't for you all I wouldn't be doing it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MrBlueSky

Klarkash
05-16-2006, 01:05 PM
I would love to have the whirlwind in il2 or BoB.

That and the Tempest, took a long time for the the latter too. Patience.

I wish I had 3D modelling skills to offer.

Klarkash
05-16-2006, 01:11 PM
as for the comment about the whirlwind not having BEEN in BoB, with the proper support from the Air Ministry it would have been. If there had been a bit foresite, there would have been a heavy fighter taking on the bomber formations with 4 hispanos, rather than Hurricanes basically trying to shoot them down by overloading them with browning ammo.

Which is one thing simulations are about, playing what-if scenarios. Besides, I'd rather fly something different, we've been flying Hurricanes, Spits, and 109's since flight sims were invented.

DIRTY-MAC
05-16-2006, 02:18 PM
ezellent job bguys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
keep it up, I have some color paintchemes from all angles of the whirly that I will post, will do it as fast as I can

MrBlueSky1960
05-18-2006, 08:58 AM
A man bearing gifts came today... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I'll try to post some scan's later... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-18-2006, 09:31 AM
Huzzah!

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-18-2006, 02:40 PM
This is a little bit of the file that came today from the NA Kew... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MrBlueSky has passed these on to me to post here... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/GenSum00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/GenSum01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/NFTrials00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/NFTrials01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/DivingTrials00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/SpeedTrials00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/SumTrials00.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Red X-itis on the last four, old chum... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

You'll have to type it all out as a pennance http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-18-2006, 03:16 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif I see no X's L_F

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-18-2006, 03:29 PM
Tried the ol' come off the net and log in again trick - fine now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Well, where were we? Ah yes, good stuff...will study with ill-concealed glee now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good to see some stuff finally filtering through. Not for the lack of effort on your part, either. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Might have some news of my own soon - if a scheme of mine comes off. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-18-2006, 04:16 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif You've kept that quiet L_F... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The file is 75 pages in total and cost 30 quid It is packed with various trials (Maintenance, Handling, Diving, Speed and Night flying trials)on the second Prototype (L6845)and P6980, P6997 respectively. Figures and graphs abound... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Speaking to Whirly buffs from around the world I've been told there's a couple of other files I will need to get my hands on. Also will have to contact the IWM's Photographic Archive and find out if they have the original 'Pilots Notes' Cockpit photo's... So, there's still plenty to do and find... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-18-2006, 04:24 PM
"No difficulty was experienced with the approach or landing, the view in both cases being good. The best approach speed is 105-110 m.p.h. A.S.I.

It appeared far easier to adjust the approach by throttling back rather than opening up, on account of the large amount of engine required to maintain height with flaps and undercarriage down. Landing is then carried out by allowing the aircraft to sink to the ground, using a small throttle opening. The fact that the tail cannot readily be brought down, does not cause the aeroplane to bounce or bucket."

....sounds do-able in a sim. The perfect antidote to my bouncy Spit landings, perhaps.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-18-2006, 04:41 PM
There's loads of stuff like that in here... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Did you see the bit about "In view of a statement by the Officer Commanding, 263 Squadron that an aircraft of the above type had been dived to 460 A.S.I."

And later... "The highest A.S.I. recorded here however is 415 m.p.h., above which speed the force onthe control column becomes excessive and it is impossible to hold the aeroplane in the dive"

Sounds like he was a bit of a girl, compared to the 263 lads... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-18-2006, 05:37 PM
With thanks to Major_Setback for original post...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Port.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Panel.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Starboard.jpg

Thought some folks might like to see.

Friendly_flyer
05-19-2006, 05:58 AM
It's ... it's...

amazing!

Cockpit pictures to model from!

Have you heard anything from Oleg or his people?

MrBlueSky1960
05-19-2006, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
It's ... it's...

amazing!

Cockpit pictures to model from!

Have you heard anything from Oleg or his people? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not quite, their a bit on the blurry side... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif But thats why I'm on the hunt for more like this... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/AircraftImages01/cockpitprototype.jpg

And no, nothing yet from Oleg... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-19-2006, 03:00 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Look what Mr Postie brought today...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/A.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-19-2006, 03:26 PM
Peregrine-tastic! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Destroyer110
05-19-2006, 11:00 PM
HEAP OF JUNK!!! the PLANE LOOKED WEIRD AND FLEW JUST AS WELL!

110 WOULD BLOW IT OUT OF THE SKIES!

LOL!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

MrBlueSky1960
05-20-2006, 02:16 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/Compare00.jpg

Yeah right, the Whirlwind looks funny... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-20-2006, 05:17 AM
Ah yes, the awesome 110 - so effective it needed an escort over England. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Warmwhirl800.jpg

WTE_Ibis
05-20-2006, 06:27 AM
That is great doggedness, patience and tenacity.
I sure hope you succeed m8, you certainly deserve it.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

luftluuver
05-20-2006, 07:30 AM
Great documents gents. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-20-2006, 05:04 PM
Just ordered the second lot of files from the NA Kew, Whirlwind Ordenance and a crash report that has some cockpit drawings...

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-20-2006, 05:09 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-20-2006, 05:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

L_F are you in tomorrow? If you are whats the best time to catch you?

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-20-2006, 05:33 PM
Anytime after 1100 hours, old chum....

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-22-2006, 03:54 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/OutboardSL00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/OutboardSL01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/OutboardSL02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/OutboardSL03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/OutboardSL04.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-22-2006, 05:15 PM
60 to 90 ASI touch down.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-22-2006, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
60 to 90 ASI touch down.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm... So much for the high landing speed argument that always seems to be one of the reasons given to the Whirly for being a 'nasty little blighter' to land... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-22-2006, 05:31 PM
Exactamundo, old chum. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

clipper2
05-23-2006, 05:36 AM
A bloomin' Whirlwind eh? Well starve the lizzards cobber, I'd love to see that, that'd be real bonza.

DIRTY-MAC
05-23-2006, 07:39 AM
Coool!
nice post.
you have anything on combat comparision against Spit or Hurri?

MrBlueSky1960
05-23-2006, 08:32 AM
Sorry D-M, no comparison charts...

Friendly_flyer
05-25-2006, 12:21 PM
Interesting profile, a worn Whirlwind:

http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/fighter/whirlwind/whirl_m.jpg

This is just to wetten the appetite of any potential skinners. Neat planes are soooo boring.

JSG72
05-25-2006, 03:22 PM
Don't know if I've missed anything, But did the Whirlygig. actually Kill anything?
Is it just another Whatif? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-25-2006, 03:26 PM
Yes, the Whirly killed German aeroplanes. No, it's not a what if.

LStarosta
05-25-2006, 03:32 PM
The Me-262 design was based on a captured downed Whirlwind flying a Rodeo operation over France. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Source: "The Luftwaffe Data Book", Dr. Alfred Price.
Greenhill Books ISBN: 1853672939

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-25-2006, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
The Me-262 design was based on a captured downed Whirlwind flying a Rodeo operation over France. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Source: "The Luftwaffe Data Book", Dr. Alfred Price.
Greenhill Books ISBN: 1853672939 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, right LStarosta... Got a scan of the said info... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

(God if only it were true... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif What a turn-up that would be... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif)

Gibbage1
05-25-2006, 05:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
(God if only it were true... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif What a turn-up that would be... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a sure way of getting this thread locked, FAST!

PC777.au
05-26-2006, 03:08 AM
Well I have to say that I am very disappointed in this thread, if you guys were serious about this you would have mentioned the Book:

Whirlwind Squadron
Memoirs of 1939-1945
by Eric Thomason

by now!

First published in 1988 by William Kimber & Co Limited

I am fortunate in having an autographed copy as Eric lives here in Adelaide SA.

So if your serious you will need to track a copy down.

PC

MrBlueSky1960
05-26-2006, 04:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PC777.au:
Well I have to say that I am very disappointed in this thread, if you guys were serious about this you would have mentioned the Book:

Whirlwind Squadron
Memoirs of 1939-1945
by Eric Thomason

by now!

First published in 1988 by William Kimber & Co Limited

I am fortunate in having an autographed copy as Eric lives here in Adelaide SA.

So if your serious you will need to track a copy down.

PC </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So I take it from that you don't know about it being withdrawn from circulation, because it was found to be full of 'Unsubstantiated factual reference€s'... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Or to put it plain English, a tissue of lie's... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DIRTY-MAC
05-26-2006, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
The Me-262 design was based on a captured downed Whirlwind flying a Rodeo operation over France. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Source: "The Luftwaffe Data Book", Dr. Alfred Price.
Greenhill Books ISBN: 1853672939 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, right LStarosta... Got a scan of the said info... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

(God if only it were true... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif What a turn-up that would be... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



he he that would be something

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-30-2006, 04:02 PM
Below is a copy of a photo I got from the NA through their Digital express option...

Looking at it I noticed something that I've not seen before on a Whirly in flight... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif See if you can tell me what it is... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/OldWhirly00.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-30-2006, 04:36 PM
I've not seen that pic so big before...

Is it me, or is that a long gun? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I think it's me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Wait a moment...that sticky up thingie normally just forward and slightly starboard of the cockpit is sticking up behind the pilot... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-30-2006, 05:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
I've not seen that pic so big before...

Is it me, or is that a long gun? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I think it's me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Wait a moment...that sticky up thingie normally just forward and slightly starboard of the cockpit is sticking up behind the pilot... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I was wondering how long it would be before someone would notice that... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif (Doh! I never noticed that... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

Well done L_F... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif But appart from that blatently obvious item... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif Can you see any other...

Like the new sig L_F

Any news yet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-30-2006, 06:31 PM
You mean the ghost in front of the pilot? Or is that just me again - seeing things after looking at the picture too long? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

And no news from any front http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

MrBlueSky1960
05-31-2006, 05:43 AM
The hand holes are open in flight... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Whether it's because the Whirly is on its last legs and their broke (Never! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif)or someone forgot to close them... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Can't do much for the streamlining though... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Red_Storm
05-31-2006, 11:29 AM
Heavy weathering for such a "rare" plane...

PC777.au
05-31-2006, 10:43 PM
Have any of you guys ever tried this?

http://www.combatfs.com/index.php?page=news&loc=news&newsid=462

The modeler must have quite a bit of information from somewhere.

How accurate would you rate it?

PC

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-05-2006, 03:42 PM
Look what I found...

http://www.iwmcollections.org.uk/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpcgi...0&SV=0&BG=0&FG=0&QS= (http://www.iwmcollections.org.uk/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpcgi.exe?AC=GET_RECORD&XC=/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpcgi.exe&BU=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwmcollections.org.uk%2FqryFil m.asp&TN=Uncat&SN=AUTO22094&SE=734&RN=0&MR=500&TR=0&TX=1000&ES=0&CS=1&XP=&RF=FilmResults&EF=&DF=FilmDetailed&RL=0&EL=0&DL=0&NP=1&ID=&MF=&MQ=&TI=0&DT=&ST=0&IR=54975&NR=0&NB=0&SV=0&BG=0&FG=0&QS=)

Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-05-2006, 04:02 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

It takes a lot to get me interested in a trip to London nowadays - that just might do it...

Good find, old chum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BrewsterPilot
06-05-2006, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
Don't mind me...I just discovered colouring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WhirlyAtPlaykeith01d.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tutorial? I want to discover it too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

BrewsterPilot
06-05-2006, 04:15 PM
Who cares about some old Whirlwind? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

It was a cr@p plane anyways. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Fokker D.XXI for teh win! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-05-2006, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

It takes a lot to get me interested in a trip to London nowadays - that just might do it...

Good find, old chum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only 16mm, one complete reel, would we be able to have a copy made? And more to the point how much would it cost... I see there are a number of 263 Squadron's entries. Would it show us just how devastating the four Hispano's were? Would that be useful thing to have?


Still looking and talking to people for drawings etc.

Still waiting for some estimates from the NA again...

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-05-2006, 05:06 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/TartedUp00.jpg

I tarted it up a tad... Soz!

BrewsterPilot
06-06-2006, 02:20 AM
TUTORIAL! PLEASE! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

major_setback
06-06-2006, 02:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
TUTORIAL! PLEASE! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a quick tutorrial for the Stirling pictures in the 'pictures of war' thread.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/229...201086534#2201086534 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2291023914/r/2201086534#2201086534)

The Whirlwind was done in a similar way in Photoshop elements. If you know how to use 'layers' read the second part of this description (below).
You need to mark certain areas of the aircraft using a selection tool such as the 'lasso tool'. This takes a lot of time, you need to follow the edges of the area you want to change the colour of very closely.
You select an area using the laso tool, then add or tke away from that selection using ctrl or alt at the same time as you use the lasso. Do this until all the areas that you want as brown are selected. Now go to the 'adjust' drop-down menu at the top of the page and select 'adjust' &gt; 'colour' &gt; 'hue and saturation'. Tick the box 'colourize' and also tick 'preview' so you can see what the chandge will look like. Ajust the hue with the slider until it is quite yellow, then reduce the saturation level until there is a hint of brown in the areas selected (it won't look very brown, it will appear much better after the other areas have changed in colour).
Go to the 'selections/markings' menu and click on 'invert (shft+ctrl+I)'. You can now work on all the other areas of the picture without having to reselect any area. Leave the sky till last (it will change colour as you are working on other areas, but will be fixed later).
Go to the 'adjust' menu again 'adjust' &gt; 'colour' &gt; 'hue and saturation', and colourize again, this time changing the remaining areas to green.
Noew the sky: You will have to select the whole aircraft, invert the selection and then colourize the sky blue using the same methods as above.
Any areas that have been colourized where they should be kept white: You can change these in 'hue and saturation' by ticking colourize and moving the saturation slider to 0.

If you know how to use 'levels' the whole process is a bit easier. You can first duplicate the background layer, select the whole aircraft, invert and delete the sky. now duplicate this layer, and you have a layer for the brown and green camoflage colours. Use the selectio tool on the top layer and mark the lines between the camo' colours (colourize as above, invert and delete the remaining areas, then colourize the layer under it (no need to use the selection tool, as the top layer of camoflage will cover the unwanted areas.)
sky: working on the background layer (after deselecting the selection/marking) change the hue for this whole layer to blue and lighten it.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-06-2006, 01:06 PM
Quick update...

I've ordered the following two files, as you can see they cover between them 1935 - 1944

Air Ministry and Ministry of Defence: Registered Files AIR 2/2821
AIRCRAFT: Fighter (Code B, 5/6): Whirlwind single-engined single seater day and night fighter: specification F37/35 . AIRCRAFT: Fighter (Code B, 5/6): Whirlwind single-engined single seater day and night fighter: specification F37/35 Air Ministry and
Date range: 1935 - 1944.

Ministry of Supply: Establishment, Registered Files (Series 1) AVIA 46/122
Westland Whirlwind . Westland Whirlwind Ministry of Supply: Establishment, Registered Files (Series 1) Type biographies and sources The National Archives, Kew
Date range: 1935 - 1943.

BrewsterPilot
06-06-2006, 01:07 PM
I'm too lazy to check if this has been posted before. . .

http://brewsterpilot.googlepages.com/whirlwind-1.tif

http://brewsterpilot.googlepages.com/whirlwind-2.tif

BrewsterPilot
06-06-2006, 01:10 PM
Famous red X eh?

New try:

http://brewsterpilot.googlepages.com/whirlwind-1.bmp

http://brewsterpilot.googlepages.com/whirlwind-2.bmp

BrewsterPilot
06-06-2006, 01:11 PM
Much better! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Grcko1
06-13-2006, 06:59 AM
Archie. I search my guts out for this sort of data and find it on a BoB forum (as a link). Kestrels would be rarer than Peregrines? The Welkin was the Whirlybird MkII with Merlins but the Spitty VI & High Altitude Mossie sorta got there first. You have all read Aeroplane May 2006 - Petter's Nine Day Wonder/Database - you can see the Canberra wing planform in the P9. I am currently neck deep in an 80% scale MkVIII Spit in composite - 6-litre V12 Jag s/charged - 4 yrs in, approx 2 more to go - Vne 300kts. Was considering a 66% scale Whirlybird as follow-up.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-13-2006, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grcko1:
Archie. I search my guts out for this sort of data and find it on a BoB forum (as a link). Kestrels would be rarer than Peregrines? The Welkin was the Whirlybird MkII with Merlins but the Spitty VI & High Altitude Mossie sorta got there first. You have all read Aeroplane May 2006 - Petter's Nine Day Wonder/Database - you can see the Canberra wing planform in the P9. I am currently neck deep in an 80% scale MkVIII Spit in composite - 6-litre V12 Jag s/charged - 4 yrs in, approx 2 more to go - Vne 300kts. Was considering a 66% scale Whirlybird as follow-up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair play, Grcko1... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I was talking to someone a short while ago much like yourself. He was asking about things of a Whirly nature as he to was toying with making a flying Whirlwind replica after he had finished his present project... Are you a flyer yourself or do you make them for a third party?

Got any photos you could share with us poor Whirly Whiners?

Grcko1
06-13-2006, 04:48 PM
Officially low-time ppl. (lol). There are retired Qantas lineys with younger licences than mine.
What you have here is really excellent. Is the would-be builder the same group as on ppPrunes? They want to do a complete with ?Ranger V12 OR Falconer X12. 0.66 scale with two of the Jags would xceed original spec re performance - problems hidden there considering mach-tuck regards compressibility downhill. They reckon they are doing a massive variant by bldg in aluminium, cf "magnesium" of original. Seem to recal original Duralium as per most a.t.t.?? Comment?
Those drawings! Really, really Excellent! Do you have a file of them you could forward? Pleeez! I'm broadband 12 and &lt;2km from phone xchange so receipt capability is not a problem. Alternatively, how -IT ignoramus here - do I laterally compress to get both halves on printout? File if you have it.
As I said Project One is V12 Spit. Engineer calls it a low-back VIII, which makes it a Sixteen [XVI] in actual. 91-inch 4-blade csu prop, 450bhp as min for t-off.Other project is BD5. Yes, really. Have owned kit since 1980. Had to wait for Xptl cat here ('95) and capability to build.
Next flight xperience is glider rating re attitudes approach for BD.
Not a gamer - as yet - use web-net for comms & info. Stuff you blokes get here I could become convinced.
Thanks for reply.

Grcko1
06-13-2006, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">6 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Typo - Falconer V12

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-14-2006, 01:51 PM
Is the would-be builder the same group as on ppPrunes?

No, he's an American and has nothing to do with the group on ppPrunes... That project failed I belive it was because a key member left the group... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Seem to recal original Duralium as per most a.t.t.?? Comment?

Yes your correct, see scan below:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/SWScan00050.jpg

Do you have a file of them you could forward?

PM me and let me have your email and I'll post some scans... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I seem to remember that to take a one off replica from a self powered (Capable of a fast taxi) to a flyable version would put another 300-400 thousand quid... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Hope you have some wealthy sponsors... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Friendly_flyer
06-14-2006, 11:33 PM
If it's possible to build a replica based on Archies papers, surely it must be possible to model one for a flight simulation?

MrBlueSky1960
06-16-2006, 03:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
If it's possible to build a replica based on Archies papers, surely it must be possible to model one for a flight simulation? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You would think... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But until we get some sort of appraisal of the available data we have at the moment from Oleg or one of his minions... It's still in the air, so to speak... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Archie has had a major delivery from the NA and is busy running through over 5 years of letters and memo's from all and sundrey... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Just a little bit of a teaser... Supermarine/Hawker were the favorites with the ministry for a canon fighter, but that would only be altering exsisting single engined designs. It was decided to offer the tender to smaller firms (Westlands, Boulton-Paul) As it was felt they could offer new designs within the same time scale as the major firms were offering there exsisting designs... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

A twin engined design was thought to be a better alternative than single engined as the fire power could be concentrated in the nose and would cause less drag than placing them in the wings... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Time changes everthing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Friendly_flyer
06-16-2006, 12:07 PM
It would be very nice if we hard something from Oleg again.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-16-2006, 12:19 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Luvely, luvely stuff... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/SWScan00056.jpg

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Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-16-2006, 12:26 PM
Bouncy bouncy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-16-2006, 01:13 PM
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ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-17-2006, 04:27 PM
More Whirly Trivia€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-17-2006, 04:33 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Splendid material, as ever, old chum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-17-2006, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Splendid material, as ever, old chum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but it won't get a Whirly in the air will it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I'll give you a bell tomorrow if it's OK with you. Let me sort something out a minute then check your PM... OK

Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-17-2006, 05:29 PM
Rgr that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
06-23-2006, 03:39 PM
Canon Fighter.

A warts and all potted history of the demise of the Whirlwind€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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ARCHIE_CALVERT
07-05-2006, 05:09 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/WhirlyCockpitPhoto.jpg

Bit more to the puzzle€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I€ve asked and asked who took the original €˜Pilots Notes€ photo's and are there still some available? The RAF Museum didn€t know, neither did Westlands archive€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Though it looks as though the Aeroplane Monthly Magazine knows€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
11-09-2006, 05:09 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Another piece...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/BoB%20Whirlwind%20P9%20Project/WhirlwindFuselageLowRes.jpg <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/ChiefBlueMeanie.jpg
Now if, in the folding, I ESP the tesseract a half twist around myself and-

Grcko1
11-09-2006, 06:42 PM
Good one! Where have you been bloke? The thread just sort of evaporated, this end @ least. What have I missed within the interval? I will have a look @ come back re this.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
11-09-2006, 07:18 PM
e-mail sent to you Archie...might be of interest. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Oh yeah -Bump! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Hoarmurath
11-09-2006, 10:15 PM
The thread is interesting, but could it be to have just links to the pics? or thumbnails?

It is hardly readable as it is now.

MrBlueSky1960
11-10-2006, 06:47 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Well done Archie, nice to see something with measurements... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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major_setback
01-04-2007, 12:37 PM
There are some nice Whirlwind renders on the Military Meshes site.


Military Meshes Whirlwind:

http://www.military-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857



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<span class="ev_code_PINK">My Aim is True.</span>

Friendly_flyer
01-04-2007, 02:14 PM
Oh man, that?s beautiful! Will such a render be useable for the BoB engine?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Fly friendly!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37/Friendly_flyer/WhirlwindforBoB-II.jpg

Visit No 79 Squadron vRAF (http://www.gazzamataz.com/79vRAF/)

Petter Bckman
Norway

1.JaVA_Razer
01-04-2007, 03:50 PM
Short answer, nope


Not without serius reworking<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Extreme One "Teamplay on a dogfightserver
It sounds like a classic game of air-quake!?"
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Friendly_flyer
01-05-2007, 05:14 AM
It that because it's the wrong format or is it too high polygon count?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Fly friendly!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37/Friendly_flyer/WhirlwindforBoB-II.jpg

Visit No 79 Squadron vRAF (http://www.gazzamataz.com/79vRAF/)

Petter Bckman
Norway

MrBlueSky1960
01-23-2007, 07:43 AM
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Phew! Still here... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MrBlueSky1960
04-07-2007, 10:08 AM
Harald Penrose was one of the British aviation industry's most respected test pilots.
His appointment in 1931 as chief test pilot at Westland Aircraft began a 22-year labour of love: he made the initial test flights on all the subsequent Westland types, notably the extraordinary pterodactyl series of tail-less monoplanes designed by Captain Geoffrey Hill, the Houston- Westland PV3 which flew over Everest in April 1933 and the Lysander army co- operation aircraft. A disastrous in-flight structural failure of the P7 monoplane allowed Penrose the dubious privilege of becoming the first pilot to bale out of an enclosed-cockpit aeroplane, though he was forced to make his exit via a side window when suction forces jammed the sliding roof.
Born in Hereford in 1904, when man was making his first faltering essays into the skies, Penrose became enamoured with flight at the age of five, after his father showed him a picture of the monoplane in which Bleriot had just flown the Channel. Two years later, the infant was lifted aloft - albeit only a few feet - beneath a Cody-type kite in his local park. Several encounters with flying machines in the pre-war years fired a youthful ambition to become a pilot, but not until the end of the First World War did Penrose enjoy his first flight, in a war-surplus Avro 504K in which the pioneer aviator Alan Cobham was giving joyrides from a field at Reading. Following a four-year aeronautical course at the Northampton Engineering College of London University, Penrose joined Westland Aircraft at Yeovil, Somerset, in September 1926. By the New Year he was overseeing the construction of the Wigeon III light monoplane, and was the first to fly in it as a passenger after its maiden flight. Obtaining a commission in the Reserve of Air Force Officers (RAFO) in 1927, Penrose learnt to fly in a Bristol Type 73 at the Bristol Flying School, soloing after six hours dual and moving on to a Jupiter-engined advance trainer variant of the First World War Bristol Fighter. He returned to Westland gazetted as Pilot Officer RAFO, obtained his private pilot's A-Licence the same year and made his first flights for Westland in the Wigeon. In March 1928 he was authorised to fly a number of the company's new machines - much to his surprise, as he had fewer than 100 hours' total piloting experience. He was also acting as a test-flight observer, and later that year was made manager of Westland's new civil aircraft department, overseeing the development of the W.IV and Wessex trimotors. In October he qualified for his commercial pilot's B-Licence. In 1930 Penrose began flying the Wapiti general-purpose military two- seater and the following year he was entrusted with taking a Variant to South America and demonstrating it in both landplane and seaplane forms. Shortly after his return, in May 1931, Captain Louis Paget, Westland's pilot in charge, suffered serious injuries in a crash, and Penrose was asked to fulfil his duties - with no increase in wages. After all, he later recalled: "It just seemed wonderful that Westland was letting me have extensive free flying which I would otherwise have been unable to afford." With the news that Paget was permanently crippled, Penrose was appointed chief test pilot. Amid his busy professional life, Penrose also found time to build and fly his self-designed sailplane, Pegasus, in 1935. With the outbreak of the Second World War, production testing intensified and the Lysander, with its exceptional short-field capabilities, became renowned for its role in flying Special Operations Executive agents in and out of French fields in the dead of night. The new Whirlwind twin- engine fighter, first flown by Penrose in October 1938, proved a disappointment, and the extraordinary tandem-wing version of the Lysander, which he looped on its maiden flight in July 1944, was a one-off experiment. Penrose also carried out the production tests of other manufacturers' aircraft build under licence by his company; Spitfires, Seafires, Barracudas and Lend-Lease Curtiss Mohawk and Tomahawk fighters allocated to Westland for assembly and test-flying. The company's last wartime design, the Welkin high-altitude fighter, proved a troublesome mount for Penrose and his fellow pilots. By far the most notorious aeroplane flown by Penrose, however, was the turbo-prop powered Wyvern naval fighter, which suffered from being a new air frame married to new and under-developed engines. First flown in December 1946, this big single-seater underwent protracted development during which three test pilots lost their lives. Only quick and instinctive reactions kept Penrose from being numbered among the victims when the Wyvern he was returning to Yeovil suffered a failed aileron linkage and turned over on its back. After six years of Wyvern flying, Penrose was appointed Sales Manager of Westland Aircraft Ltd, responsible for the Westland, Bristol and Saunders-Roe helicopter group. By then he had amassed some 5,000 hours on no fewer than 250 different types of aircraft ranging from rotorcraft to modern jets. He continued to fly for pleasure (he would probably have said that flying was always a pleasure), acquiring a diminutive Currie Wot byplane after his retirement in 1967 and sampling other types whenever the opportunity arose. Apart from his aeronautical talents, Penrose was a keen ornithologist, a naval architect (he designed 36 boats and yachts), and designed the house at Nether Compton, Dorset, in which he lived for 50 years. He also wrote a number of books, being gifted with a fluidity and elegant prose style rare in aviation writers. His outstanding autobiographical works were I Flew with the Birds (1949), No Echo in the Sky (1958), Airymouse (1967), Cloud Cuckooland (1981), and Adventure with Fate (1984). Other titles were Architect of Wings (1985), a biography of the Avro designer Roy Chadwick, Wings across the World (1980), a history of British Airways, and an impressive five-volume history of British aviation. Penrose was made a Fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society in 1936 and in 1993, when his tally had risen to 5,500 hours on 309 types, he was presented with Honorary Fellowship of the US Society of Experimental Test Pilots. Harald James Penrose, pilot: born 12 April 1904; OBE 1946; married 1929 Norn Bailey (died 1986; one son, one daughter); died 31 August 1996.

MrBlueSky1960
01-30-2008, 02:32 PM
A&AEE TRIAL TEST REPORT for Whirlwind L6845 31st July 1940

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MrBlueSky1960
03-18-2008, 12:22 PM
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Mr_Zooly
03-18-2008, 02:29 PM
However, it was the aircraft's speed that interested the Air Ministry. Powered by a pair of Rolls Royce 'Peregrine' engines, the Whirlwind also had fully retractable undercarriage, giving the plane a very 'clean', streamlined look. It was able to reach a top speed of 360mph. It certainly lived up to its name by being particularly fast 'close to the deck', gaining it the nickname 'Crikey'
CRIKEY! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ElAurens
03-18-2008, 04:09 PM
The posted charts show an aircraft about on par with a P40E.

I thought the Whirlwind was faster.

Xiolablu3
03-18-2008, 04:22 PM
350mph in late 1939, early 1940 is as fast as a Bf109E and Spitfire Mk1. Faster thgan a Hurricane.

Its a year or two earlier than the P40E, I think? Wasnt the P40E used first in 1942?


A Whirlwind with Merlins would have been fantastic, anyone know why it wasnt tried?

blairgowrie
03-18-2008, 04:45 PM
It would have required a complete redesign of the Whirlwind. Air Ministry also wanted all the Merlins to go for single engine aircraft.

Too bad! That aircraft was a beauty.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
03-18-2008, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
350mph in late 1939, early 1940 is as fast as a Bf109E and Spitfire Mk1. Faster thgan a Hurricane.

Its a year or two earlier than the P40E, I think? Wasnt the P40E used first in 1942?


A Whirlwind with Merlins would have been fantastic, anyone know why it wasnt tried? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Petter later admitted he had made a mistake when he designed the Whirly around the R-R Peregrines, as it was two light a construction to have much in the way of 'upgrades' in either future ordinance or major engine redevelopement... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Whirly constrution was not capable of carrying the extra weight of two R-R Merlins/fuel or size to enable to have propellors that would be capable to handle the extra power, in effect the Whirly was an unsustainable luxury... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Westlands did eventually make a Whirlwind with R-R Merlins though, it was called the 'Welkin'and apart for providing valuble information for high attitude aircraft in pressurisation cockpits, none ever saw combat or service... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

In fact it could be called a poor mans Mosquito... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Aaron_GT
03-20-2008, 04:02 AM
The problem with the Welkin (and other high altitude twin engined fighters, like the Vickers development) is that it took so long and horribly overran such that the delivered machines were expensive and lagging in performance. The Welkin was fine for high altitude work, but its performance was lacking at any other height. Not that they ever really got a satisfactory high altitude Mosquito fighter going either, but then that's more because the threat evaporated and so there wasn't much impetus for de Havilland, as they were getting plenty of orders for the Mosquito, whereas Vickers and Westland needed new planes in the pipeline to replace their money spinners, the Wellington and Whirlwind and Lysander. Vickers seemed to mess up development of the Warwick too, so I do wonder what was going on there in terms of project management in the late 1930s to early 1940s, apart from Barnes Wallis's work.

Not that Petter was a spent force - Canberra, Lightning, Gnat, were yet to come. It did take those to rescue Petter's reputation, though, from a suggestion that he was only capable of delivering good machines too late or with too little development capability that bedevilled him post Whirlwind/Welkin.

It has been argued that the Lightning was a bit flawed due to lack of fuel, but then intention was for a short range interceptor pending ultimately going to SAMs (lots of research on SAMs in the late 1940s in the UK) and competitors also looked at short range rocket-powered interceptors (reusable SAMs!). So the Lightning fitted the specification, it is just that the requirement changed.

major_setback
03-21-2008, 03:42 AM
Pilot's notes, in case you haven't already seen them (under 'W' of course):

http://www.tailwheel.nl/b/bristolbeaufighter/index.html

Aaron_GT
03-21-2008, 05:21 AM
A bit OT, but that Beaufighter cockpit is more crowded than I'd realised. It is just as well that egress in an emergency was via a Thunderbirds-style seat tipping arrangement. Makes you wonder if it was an inspiration to Gerry Anderson, given his and his brother's service in the RAF.