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Worf101
09-12-2005, 10:32 AM
Whew am I glad that part of the campaign is OVER. All due respect to our Russian Comrades but the I-16 was/is a bear to fly in, at least in this sim and the patch didn't make it any easier. One thing I did learn however was how to restart my engine on the fly... phew... Arrgh.

With the P-40 my propeller keeps turning not matter how much neg g's I give it. I can keep up with and sometimes catch early war Me109's. If I start climbing right after take off I MIGHT get to altitude by the time those pesky bombers show up.

The two thing the I-16 has over Warhawk is armament (twin canons kill bombers real good) and ruggedness. You can his the I-16 with a crapload of bullets and that rotary just keep chuggin. You can't say the same for the P-40 but heck it takes more punishment then the Mustang so I can't complain...

Phew....

Da Worfster

Worf101
09-12-2005, 10:32 AM
Whew am I glad that part of the campaign is OVER. All due respect to our Russian Comrades but the I-16 was/is a bear to fly in, at least in this sim and the patch didn't make it any easier. One thing I did learn however was how to restart my engine on the fly... phew... Arrgh.

With the P-40 my propeller keeps turning not matter how much neg g's I give it. I can keep up with and sometimes catch early war Me109's. If I start climbing right after take off I MIGHT get to altitude by the time those pesky bombers show up.

The two thing the I-16 has over Warhawk is armament (twin canons kill bombers real good) and ruggedness. You can his the I-16 with a crapload of bullets and that rotary just keep chuggin. You can't say the same for the P-40 but heck it takes more punishment then the Mustang so I can't complain...

Phew....

Da Worfster

Dew-Claw
09-12-2005, 11:05 AM
Call me crazy, but I think the I-16 is fun to fly.
not the best fighter by far, but I find it "fun".
not easy, not capable just fun.

Worf101
09-12-2005, 11:26 AM
Oh I never said it wasn't "fun" but hair-raising fun at best for me. Hey my fave screen shot I one I made called "JoyRide". I'm in an I-16 with a custom paintjob and I'm just open cockpit cruisin'. I loved the I-16 till I had to catch someone.

Da Worfster

Dew-Claw
09-12-2005, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I loved the I-16 till I had to catch someone.

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or run from someone.

SeaFireLIV
09-12-2005, 11:36 AM
I love flying the I16 too. It certainly is a challenge, but I like it cos I feel a bit like how it might`ve been for the Russians in the early war years. If you stick it out, the I16 turns you from a noob into a MAN, even offline http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And you really appreciate the later planes when they come along.

Some Russian pilots stuck with the I16 way up to 1943. A British pilot tried the I16 and at the end of the flight was sweating profusely and told the Russian pilot he could keep his **** plane!

Dew-Claw
09-12-2005, 11:44 AM
I'm flying a Finnish campaign right now flying the Hurricane and run up against I-16s quite often.
They can be troublesome especially when outnumbered.
that ROF can chew you up bad.
Last mission had us outnumbered 3 to 1.
it was like being in a hornets nest.

Friendly_flyer
09-12-2005, 11:54 AM
Try out hunting those pesky I-16s in a Brewster, then...

Worf101
09-12-2005, 12:16 PM
Well, I'll admit one thing. My A.I. buddies flew those I-16's a whole lot better than I could. In a "turn and burn" against A.I. I-16's you might have a problem against a human being, perhaps not so big a problem. I was constantly amazed as my wingmen and squad mates zoomed past my like X-Wings to down enemy craft. My crate was wheezin, sneezin' and over heatin'.
Go figure...

Da Worfster

Dew-Claw
09-12-2005, 12:17 PM
Campaign started in the Brewster then advanced to the Hurricane.

There were times I think I'd been more effective running around an open field shooting rubberbands in the air.

Kuna15
09-12-2005, 12:24 PM
Well I have also played with Ishak a lot recently and I almost celebrate when my unit 'upgraded' to LaGG-3S4. I thought: now we're talkin'.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

I'm on 127th mission RU fighter and I'm patiently waiting for LA-5. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

About P-40s they have nasty armament, but I prefer LaGG-3S4 due to it's battle endurance. With LaGG-3S29 & S35 I have an option for VYa-23 and that is one mean cannon.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I mean one two hits in the right place and that's it - bandit goes down.

g5r_88
09-12-2005, 01:07 PM
I played the Krim campaign flying first a Bf109E-4, which was quite good againt I-16`s actually, but cumbersome. When I got in the Bf109F-4, it was pretty much fun and easy, but one 20mm instead of a pair, was not so good.
As with getting one or two on your tail, that can be a problem in a dive since both planes have dimilar acceleration, but if you`re chasing and beeng chased - just open the throttle wide and forget about your 6.

Xiolablu3
09-12-2005, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by g5r_88:
I played the Krim campaign flying first a Bf109E-4, which was quite good againt I-16`s actually, but cumbersome. When I got in the Bf109F-4, it was pretty much fun and easy, but one 20mm instead of a pair, was not so good.
As with getting one or two on your tail, that can be a problem in a dive since both planes have dimilar acceleration, but if you`re chasing and beeng chased - just open the throttle wide and forget about your 6. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The thing about that 20mm is that it fires a whole lot faster and has better velocity than the 2xMGFF on the Emil, so I find it much easier for deflection shots than those Emil cannon.

ImpStarDuece
09-12-2005, 06:28 PM
I have horrible memories of some of the earlier versions of the sim where I-16s were invlnerable to light machine gun fire, particularly the MG 17. The stubby little beer cans also ussed to climb like a cat on fire and turn like they were stuck on a merry-go-round.

Once out of cannon ammo you could sit behind one in a Me-109E or F and just blast away until your twin peashooters ran out of ammo. It was so frustrating, particularly if you had damaged one in an earlier pass and then ran out of 20mm rounds. I woke my whole house up one night when I spent a good minute shouting "die, die, die , die" at the I-16 I was hammering with my MGs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

PBNA-Boosher
09-12-2005, 06:56 PM
P-40 ROXORZ your BOXORZ

LEXX_Luthor
09-12-2005, 07:30 PM
Right ImpStarDuece. I did some unique damage mod testing. I set Blue AI Me-323 to land on airfeild and park tail facing the spawn point of later spawning Red aircraft. Me-323 cannon easily shot up all aircraft including TB-3 (busted their wings off) except one...I-16. A flight of four AI I-16 got airborne no problem under close range (100m) fire from Me-323 cannon, only one I-16 suffered any visual damage and that was a fuel leak. Think how long it takes for aircraft to spawn, rev engines and start rolling -- the whole time under point blank cannon fire.

I-16 v 1.0 could outclimb 109-K4 ... but so could the Email out climb the K4, but the amatuer gamer Luftwhiners didn't want to talk about that on this webboard. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

huggy87
09-13-2005, 09:59 AM
The funny thing is the Germans considered the P-40 a real manueverable TnB plane that was not to be turned with. I grew up with mostly Pacific War accounts where the P-40 pilot's were saying the same about the Zero and other japanese planes. I thus got the false impression that the P-40 was not very maneuverable. It is all relative. The p-40 flies quite nicely in the game, and something about that big nose and the gunsight arrangement looks deadly.

Friendly_flyer
09-13-2005, 10:34 AM
When you finaly get around to fly the I-16 properly, it is a wonderful plane! Those 20mm really do the job.

SeaFireLIV
09-13-2005, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
I have horrible memories of some of the earlier versions of the sim where I-16s were invlnerable to light machine gun fire, particularly the MG 17. The stubby little beer cans also ussed to climb like a cat on fire and turn like they were stuck on a merry-go-round.

Once out of cannon ammo you could sit behind one in a Me-109E or F and just blast away until your twin peashooters ran out of ammo. It was so frustrating, particularly if you had damaged one in an earlier pass and then ran out of 20mm rounds. I woke my whole house up one night when I spent a good minute shouting "die, die, die , die" at the I-16 I was hammering with my MGs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



*********SEAFIRE DREAMY BACK IN THE OLD DAYS SCENE*******


The I16 was as tough as old boots, climbed like a rocket, spun like a top and NEVER suffered neg g!

Such was the gnashing of teeth of the lufty boys. their hatred grew and grew, but I laffed out loud (even as as ImpStarDuece screamed "Die! Die! Die!" in insane desperation!) and soaked up multiple hits while outturning `em, chasing `em HIGH and shot them down!

Then Oleg went and introduced...

Neg-G! uh-oh!

Inability to climb. wha?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

fragile fuselage. Please no...

Easier to be P`Ked! Gulp!

Even more fragile fuselage! Whatya doing Oleg? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif NOOOOOOOO!

And the I16 superiority was no more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif


********back to the present*****************

Actually, if I had known that the I16 was so unrealistic when it first came out, I too would have joined in the chorus to have it changed. I thought it must be correct, because I was naive then.

So I`ll freely admit, that in this case, the whines were good. Even if the Lufty boys tended to ignore some of their own plane uberness`.

The nice thing is Oleg appears to have made the changes without killing the I16 stone dead. It`s STILL a big threat to any careless 109 flyer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
09-13-2005, 04:20 PM
Still dives 'very well' though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I16 is extremely useful in a furball - those lasers make short work of 109s and IARs + you can always rocket an He111 or two.

Bad news if you get someone who has a clue, though.

Ta,
Norris